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Sun, 19 January 2020

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Expected loss but that is due to our lack of quality. Subs were made too late.

More worried about Rashford. Making me having doubts on Ole decision making further. Now, I am wondering why Pogba is refusing to play at times.. probably carrying an injury?
 

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The guys stuck to the task and did their best, I don't find myself being angry at any of the players or the coach.

There is a gulf between the 2 sides right now but still football is generally a game of fine margins and on another day we could've got something, however the opposite is also true of course and we could've easily shipped 4+

Hopefully we respond well and continue to kick on as a club
 

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Don’t Sky usually go to a Tyler ‘and it’s Liiiive’ ad break before KO? Instead they decided to show Liverpool fans singing their Celtic song.
 

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Look at the big picture; without our top scorer and top midfielder (plus pogba), it was a really good fight. Not our fault Liverpool fluffed their chances. We kept fighting. Pressing until the end. We knew 0-1 or 0-2 wouldn’t make a difference. We threw everyone up bar DDG. Considering how good this Liverpool side are, IMO we gave it all and didn’t give them too much respect. That’s the first thing I want to see any United side do on the pitch.
 

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Doomed right from the start with a 5-3-2 formation. Not surprised one bit that we started playing better once we switched to a 4-2-3-1. I absolutely hate a 5 man defense. Especially if AWB is set to be a wingback. His specialty is defending. Not attacking. So if we insist on using that formation then have Dalot play in the RWB position. And speaking of AWB, he was brutal today. Constantly out of position with Fred and Lindeloff having to cover him far too often, especially in the first half. Play him as a RB in a 4 man defense or don't play him at all. And taking Williams off instead of Shaw when we switched to a back 4 was another huge mistake. I would only understand that move if we were winning. But chasing a goal we should stick with the better attacker.
 

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Yeh, we lack quality final third and that is really frustrating because what I see before that is actually a team setup quite well, moving the ball forward quickly, looking for passes between the lines. It looks better to me than it has been under our post fergie managers. I enjoy watching us atleast now!
You enjoy watching us because expectation has dropped. So many have accepted we are not very good anymore.

Mourinho got second and people weren’t happy. Now being shit and we can’t even qualify for the Champions League is ok for most fans. I don’t get it.
 

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The worrying thing is Fred is playing like a man possessed at the minute. Shows how thin the squad is, if he gets injured and or banned were fecked.

For the remainder of the season its not looking too clever. Toxic atmosphere within the fans. Slightest mistake and everyone is up in arms. An absolute stooge running the club.

Plain to see that there is a good emerging crop of players coming through. If they all develop on their current trajectory we will have good quality and strength in depth. They are for three future at least two years away. Feck me they need some older heads around them and in the dressing room.

Genuinely would concede European football next season
 

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Ok so our best players were out today , how do you explain the 30 pt gap , they only got 3 of them today.

Fact is right now full pick for us or not they are light years ahead of us.
Martial out was really bad for us. Pogba and Scott our as well. They impact our way of playing.
 

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Honestly, I'm not sure why Shaw was taken off. I actually think he and De Gea were United's best players today.
 

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I think result aside we weren't bad. We were outplayed for a 10 min spell in the 1st half and a 5-8 min spell in the 2nd half, but apart from that, we were decent. We had a couple of good chances that should have been converted.
People here really need to get a grip of the circumstances. This is arguably among the top 5 teams in England since '92 (I wouldn't argue if someone said this is the 2nd or 3rd best as well), we were without 2 of our best players and McT and playing away to a side that has not lost at home for 51 games.
Sure, I'm disappointed because the optimist in me expected us to be the team that would stop them, but let's not kid ourselves and start saying stuff like xyz is not good enough because he had a poor game away at Anfield against this Pool team
 

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Great effort but as far as quality goes we’re a bit poo right now.
 

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The worrying part isn't losing away to the worlds best team, when we have 3 key players injured. The worrying part is that our squad is in such a state that this was actually a pretty decent performance.
Spot on.
 

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I don't think we played well. You can make an argument that Fred and Matic played well. You can even make an argument that we fought well, but the performance on the ball was not very good at all. No quality in that last third, and let's be honest, this isn't an isolated example. Rashford aside, our main issue is the last third! Never the right ball at the right time with the right weight. If it's the right pass, it's the wrong weight. if it's the right weight, it's the wrong time. Just the decision making is poor at the moment.
Disagree, its not just the last third, its mainly midfield.

Today the biggest difference between them and us was that we could not transport the ball from defense into attack. Part of that is down to Liverpool being incredible in their high press, but most of it is down to our midfielders not being confident/able to to receive the ball, turn and deliver it forward.

We had so many situations where we had the ball in defense and it turned into a dangerous attack for them because our CB's had no passing options so they either hit it wide to a marked player, or hit it forward to another marked player who then overturned possession to them. If we had a quality DM that could drop down and just glide past their first line of press and hit a pass through their next line then their super high press would be incredible dangerous because then we could bypass 6-7 players in two moves.

We dont have that kind of player on the pitch today though. If we had for example Carrick we would have caused them a lot of problems
 

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We didn't disgrace ourselves by any means- although the start of the second half could have been very ugly if Liverpool hadn't missed their chances. Some good performances from Fred, DDG, Martial (despite the miss, he was the only forward who looked like doing anything). No one can accuse us of lacking passion but technically we're not great are we?!

AWB, Periera and james were very poor. Shaw did well in patches but still manages to annoy the feck out of me so much with his yellow cards for pulling back. Another one for the collection today :rolleyes: Seriously, just urghhhh!
 

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Scousers giving it the whole "United got every decision" they were also outstanding the whole game.
Even when they're at the top they're ridiculously deluded
 

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Utter shite for most of the game. Seems the bit we had some possession in and failed to do anything with it is the only bit many watched.
 

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I’d love to play this lot with a full strength team. Seems every time we play them we’re missing 2-3 big players
 

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Ole confirms Rashford has a stress fracture and is a long term injury.
 

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Manchester United manager Ole Gunnar Solskjaer speaking to Match of the Day: "The players gave us everything. Today we hung on a bit at the start of second half, but the last 25-30 mins we pressed them and pushed them back. I'm disappointed with conceding from a corner and with the last kick - but very many positives.

"I felt in the second half we performed really well against a good team and at a difficult place.

"We didn't have quality with our finishing or last pass. Fred was absolutely top and David de Gea. As a team we worked together as a unit.

On Marcus Rashford's back injury: "
Rashford will be out for a while. He got a new injury against Wolves. We'll not see him for a little while.

"We're always looking at chances to improve the squad - with Marcus out for a while we have to look at it closely."
 

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Show me anybody who doesn't see that we could have easily drawn this game with Haaland and Bruno being available with the same team, and maybe even won it.

1. Bruno playing instead of moronic Pereira
2. Haaland and Martial playing two-striker partnership up front instead of James/Martial.
3. Mata playing midfield, Shaw resting and Williams playing LB

This game would have been ours. 100% guranteed.

So now - what is the price of that? Haaland and Bruno still overpriced?

Feck you, Woodward and feck your recruitement/negotiations/whatever chief
No the game would not have been ours 100% guaranteed. How do you come to that conclusion?
 

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I dont know what most of you lot are talking about

2-0 was flattering to say the least

We could have easily lost 4 nil

We are an absolute joke and I cant see any light at the end of the tunnel at the minute
 

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Didn't really feel like a contest for the vast majority of today's game. And then just as we were applying pressure, that Salah goal was a a huge blow. Not as bad a result as it could have been but too many poor performances out there today. Perreira and James in particular, think they should have went off earlier. We looked better with Mata and Greenwood. Fred was our best player today.

I'm truth it was a game we were never likely to win. But it still sucks.
 

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Evra thinks we missed the boat on a striker and won't get one in January , he says we should have have anticipated this could happen and done business in the summer for a striker , Keane agrees with him.
 

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Great performance from the lads. We had some injuries as well. 2-0 loss to Liverpool is great progress. Kept them pretty much at bay. Bit of luck and we could have drawn this game. Don't really see any need to strenghten or get a manager in for this club. We are heading into the right direction.
Are you kidding?
 

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Going from losing 3-1 to losing 2-0 is progress?

Having a worse team now is progress?
Fine, i forgot the consolation goal but the feel was completely different. We dropped our heads in that one and got battered. We fought them till the end today.
 

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You obviously don't understand football because we where definitely not completely outplayed today . We dominated long spells but we have very little creative .
The standards continues to drop if you think we weren’t outplayed. Mourinho toothless Spurs side put on a more competitive performance. We showed no composure under pressure, no interplay, no intelligent pressing, no proactive gameplan, it was all static and reactionary.
 

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Evra thinks we missed the boat on a striker and won't get one in January , he says we should have have anticipated this could happen and done business in the summer for a striker , Keane agrees with him.
"No shit Sherlock" isn't even fitting here as this most obvious fact hasn't occured to our manager and board yet.
 

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Proud of the boys. All things considered, I thought they did well.

Started the game well. Looked good on the ball and forced Liverpool into making errors like we did at Old Trafford.

Unfortunately, we weren't able to take advantage of the good start and ended up going a goal down, following another set piece goal conceded.

The goal gave the whole stadium a lift and Liverpool were unlucky not to get another goal or two, having had a strong 10-15 mins after their goal.

Second half they started well. Thankfully, we were able to weather the storm and finished quite strong in the last 25 minutes. Had a couple of good chances but couldn't finish.
 

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Fine, i forgot the consolation goal but the feel was completely different. We dropped our heads in that one and got battered. We fought them till the end today.
Them missing open goals left and right helped today didn't it?
 

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This was a strange game which while for the majority we were under the cosh, it was frustrating not to at least get a draw given the last few mins. Apart from a couple of spells of 10-12 mins though, Liverpool dominated and credit to them. Right now they are the best team in club football and they showed why. Their full backs are the best in the world.

We carved out one good chance in the first half which Pereira should have buried and one more in the second half which Martial should have done much better with but other than that nothing else.

Now the difference in quality between both the sides is fairly evident. The flaws that our side have are obvious as well. Replacing Pereira with someone who has genuine quality (Read Bruno Fernandes or anyone of a similar ilk) will make a huge difference to this side. There was a counter in the second half when Pereira instead of passing to the right (where there was a player in acres of space) passed it to Martial on the left who was crowded. The decisions made in those crucial fractional seconds decide games and in my opinion Pereira or Lingard are not the answer for that position.

Next summer will be the most crucial window for us in years. It will decide the fate of this current United side. With the young players we have, there is an opportunity to build something as good and exciting as this Liverpool side. (if not better). However, we need to invest. It is simply not good enough to rely on just young players alone and ignore the key flaws in this current side. We need an addition of quality in the final third and in the middle.

Now whether Ed Woodward and the current ownership back the club and make the right investments remains to be seen and a huge question mark. Meanwhile, these are frustrating (and at times depressing) times as a United fan.
 

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If I'm to take a positive from the result today it's that I'm hoping our board now recognizes how poor we are and works harder to bring in reinforcements...
 

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When asked about potentially replacing Marcus Rashford this transfer window, Ole Gunnar Solskjaer replied:

“We've had many injuries for big players this season. It’s just an unfortunate situation we're in. We might look at some short term deals as well that could take us through to the summer. We don’t desperately need a striker, if the right one is there and it fits for us... we’ve got players who are champing at the bit.”
 

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