Not sure what any of this even means, but sure
A tactical shift from Ole? Shirley not
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
On a more serious note, hope the new ideas bear fruit and Ole shows that he's a quality tactician.
Yep, James on the left it is.
"And other times Andreas Pereira just happens to you."
The article adequately documents some things I've noticed, and puts some finer points on it. It certainly shows that Ole has a general shape and style. Of course, it also shows he doesn't have the personnel to implement it...
The article adequately documents some things I've noticed, and puts some finer points on it. It certainly shows that Ole has a general shape and style. Of course, it also shows he doesn't have the personnel to implement it...
Didn't take long for the detractors I see.
It must so tiring hating our manager 24/7.
It must so tiring hating our manager 24/7.
No mate, I think you'll find he's an upside down 6.
Honestly though, I have been noticing more emphasis on quick one-twos on the edge of the box lately with Martial dropping a bit deeper to make this happen. A Pogba or Bruno type running into the box from CM would be needed to make this happen more regularly, though, rather than it pretty much being Rashford all the time or someone like Fred getting a nosebleed and shitting himself.
The frustrating part about the article is that he doesn't do it often.
Most of the time Dan James lines up on the right, so it's hard to know whether the good tactical changes are by design or random. I've certainly been wanting a left-footer on the right for a while now and thus have been advocating for Greenwood, but he seems to do it so sporadically that I'm not sure if it's our actual tactic, just simple rotation.
Most of the time Dan James lines up on the right, so it's hard to know whether the good tactical changes are by design or random. I've certainly been wanting a left-footer on the right for a while now and thus have been advocating for Greenwood, but he seems to do it so sporadically that I'm not sure if it's our actual tactic, just simple rotation.
It's a personnel problem then. If you want to play like that, you need a Kante to sweep up in the middle. And he's slowly getting out of favour at Chelsea.
I think that's a brilliant article which also highlights how key injuries have impacted us.
Ole has said from his first day here, if you have Pogba you build a team around him, he was doing that. Spent all summer building around Pogba, played a few good games and got injured.
That literally threw all of OIe's plan out the window. Some would say yes but you need plan A and plan B but when you are working on Plan A, you dont work on plan B until plan A is good enough.
He started working on plan B and only recently Fred is looking good and a fit to that plan where he covers for the full backs. Again just as he starts to develop the plan a big hit in the Rashford injury.
Now Ole has to again rethink how he will play.
I am 50/50 with him, some instances I think he needs time, some I feel we look lost. The Pogba injury was so crucial to us, considering the lack of numbers which can be pointed at Ole.
What did fans want Lukaku to stay and cause an issue?
Ole has said from his first day here, if you have Pogba you build a team around him, he was doing that. Spent all summer building around Pogba, played a few good games and got injured.
That literally threw all of OIe's plan out the window. Some would say yes but you need plan A and plan B but when you are working on Plan A, you dont work on plan B until plan A is good enough.
He started working on plan B and only recently Fred is looking good and a fit to that plan where he covers for the full backs. Again just as he starts to develop the plan a big hit in the Rashford injury.
Now Ole has to again rethink how he will play.
I am 50/50 with him, some instances I think he needs time, some I feel we look lost. The Pogba injury was so crucial to us, considering the lack of numbers which can be pointed at Ole.
What did fans want Lukaku to stay and cause an issue?
Aye enjoyed reading that article. Props to Pauly Kwestel for writing up an interesting and easy to understand analysis.
The English media’s hatred for zonal marking is hilarious. It’s used by some of the best managers ever but without fail any time it concedes the pundits in England will lose their shit about zonal marking being shit.
Ole's tactics are usually good. In a year I've heard one valid complaint about tactics and coaching. Set pieces.
The rest is noise from people who don't get football and think our current squad should be winning each week despite being weak as feck. Just stupid people who laugh at every ladbible meme.
It's getting boring.
The rest is noise from people who don't get football and think our current squad should be winning each week despite being weak as feck. Just stupid people who laugh at every ladbible meme.
It's getting boring.
None of the players have come out showing any discontent either which means he must be doing something right.
The players must be buying into his tactics. Understanding we have lost very influential players this year to injury makes it that much harder too.
This is all well and good but for the fact that Martial doesn't have nearly the same work ethic as Firmino.
While it's a great article, this isn't something new we've been doing it since the first game this pre season.
Good article, good thread, good afternoon, good bye.
Yet he has about the same amount of goals and helped Rashford have more than Mane.... the issue has been lack of goals coming from the obvious weak link James. Even Greenwood is getting a good number of goals from his play with Martial
I think Ole has been very unlucky with injuries, and that has really shown up the weakness of having a small squad. If you looked at our squad at the beginning of the season and asked who would you not want injured, you would probably say Pogba, Rashford, Martial, McTominay in that order. They've all spent a significant amount of time injured.
James should be our back up for Rashford, he's not a starting right winger, especially without Pogba. With Pogba you could tell Wan-Bissaka to hold back or play the role Guardiola sometimes has Walker playing, but without him (perhaps McTominay could also play this role?) it doesn't really work.
I think a lot of that is perspective. There’s a lack of experience that’s evident (no, Molde does not count ffs), but he’s far more tactically astute than people realise. I think he’s suffered greatly from poor squad depth and injuries to key players.
you cant have a system where an injury to one player throws the whole thing out of whack. thats just ridiculous. Liverpool could lose any one of their starting XI and still be be 90% as effective with the same tactics.
And what is the point of pushing AWB forward on the flanks and having Fred sit behind him covering defensively, when Fred clearly is a better passer / crosser than AWB (not that the bar is set high), whears AWB is possibly the best defensive player in the squad.
more square pegs in round holes.
And what is the point of pushing AWB forward on the flanks and having Fred sit behind him covering defensively, when Fred clearly is a better passer / crosser than AWB (not that the bar is set high), whears AWB is possibly the best defensive player in the squad.
more square pegs in round holes.
Martial is the least of our problems when comparing the effectiveness of the strategy to Liverpool. Salah is WC winger who has averaged 34.4 goals and 21.2 assists over the past 2.5 seasons. Liverpool have the best RB in the world who has assisted 27 goals over the past 1.5 seasons, and one of the best LBs in the world averaging 12.7 assists in the past 1.5 seasons.
We see the obvious downside to it when the likes of VVD can so easily target the space taken up by the smaller defender - in our case Williams on Sunday.
Nailed it. Maybe late substitutions have been an issue too, but in general there’s rarely been a game where I felt as if we haven’t at least come in with a plan to exploit our opponents weaknesses.
Poch and Tuchel- first thing they will do is sign 2 new full backs who can attack. Their system doesnt work if you dont have capable attacking full backs.
I dont agree that AWB cannot overlap because James is occupying that space. For e.g Beckham and Neville never had any problems with that.
Other thing which I dont understand is while AWB -who himself is very limited in attacking- bombs forward, fred is covering him.
So a player who is more eloquent on the ball stays back and occupies a defender position, while an actual defender who is very limited on the ball go forward and help our attack ?
Something is not adding up.
So a player who is more eloquent on the ball stays back and occupies a defender position, while an actual defender who is very limited on the ball go forward and help our attack ?
Something is not adding up.
In part, I agree. Nothing wrong with Zonal marking and as you say it works everywhere even in teams that go onto win the odd Champions League here and World Cup there. It's not foolproof or perfect though. So any mistake or goal will be picked up as a failing player, failing system, overpaid for Maguire, It's all Pogbas fault in the current climate
Do you often struggle with reading?
Evra said after the game that in Italy they used zonal most of the time except at corners they'd go man for man so that they didn't caught out with height/size mismatches.
I'd say zonal is ok if you also take mismatches into account and tweek accordingly.
Ah of course, and unlike these plebians you just "get" football don't you Steve. Perhaps people, like me, are sick of seeing the same old same old in nearly every single match, bar the odd bit of individual brilliance, its pass side to side at the back, smash along the floor at pace because nobody is coming short for it and movement is crap, or a hopeful punt forward, 90% of the time it usually doesn't step outside these borders, if you haven't seen that since he's been here then I don't know what matches you've been watching. "Usually good" people say its the Ole out people who have the agenda but come on, can count on one, maybe two hands the amount of matches where the tactics have actually looked "good" since he's got here really.
I've been harping on about it, but our starting tactics are often on point (Arsenal, City were rare misses). The problem is when a game is calling out for a change, or if the opposition switch up how they play in the middle of the game, we take too long to react.
Maybe that's partly on the players as well, we need intelligent Carrick types to understand what's going on and direct other players on the field, but Ole's game management is pretty terrible.
Maybe that's partly on the players as well, we need intelligent Carrick types to understand what's going on and direct other players on the field, but Ole's game management is pretty terrible.
In brandon WIlliams we have a young full back who knows how to attack and more important how to cross. Wan Bissaka may not be your Marcelo or Valencia attacking wise but the boy has shown he can go forward and even put in some decent crosses. Sometimes we as fans have to show some patience in these players.
Not especially. I do struggle with incoherent ramblings though.
I agree with this. His ability to make in-game changes to turn games around are definitely questionable at best.
Read it watched the Clips. He’s still a crap coach as he gets our tacticed by every good coach he comes up against. So I don’t know what clear analysis you said you explained but clearly our tactics are crap. Also if he was so clever and wanted full backs to push up maybe don’t spend £50m on a RB who was already not regarded as being good in the attack.
But idiots so idiotic things.
It's hilarious because all teams use it, man marking is extremely rare nowadays in open play, you only see it on set pieces.
Funny that. What’s also funny is watching people bemused when a coach with the same players gets players playing a different way and show improved results. Like Rodgers just as an example. The dumbfound look on there face is priceless.
I mean we have a bunch of people in here drooling because I manager has an actually tactic. I mean no shite... we aren’t questing the fact he’s a coach who does coach things. It’s the fact he doesn’t do it particularly well and his tactics are useless.
This is what me a @He'sRaldo been talking about all season -
1. Martial is a support striker/ false 9 whose best ability is to get wider strikers to score
2. Biggest mistake has been Daniel James being used as a traditional winger providing width and crosses from the right wing in to no-one instead of having a Rashford 2.0/Salah/Greenwood
3. Playing James has blocked Wan Bissaka's ability to get forward and provide his own width & crosses because there is simply no space so you see him trying to cut in instead
I hope Ole has widened up to it now & plays
James - Martial - Greenwood
But alot of the players confidence looks shot for someone like James to suddenly learn to be a striker/forward who cuts in after spending the whole season doing the opposite thing.
1. Martial is a support striker/ false 9 whose best ability is to get wider strikers to score
2. Biggest mistake has been Daniel James being used as a traditional winger providing width and crosses from the right wing in to no-one instead of having a Rashford 2.0/Salah/Greenwood
3. Playing James has blocked Wan Bissaka's ability to get forward and provide his own width & crosses because there is simply no space so you see him trying to cut in instead
I hope Ole has widened up to it now & plays
James - Martial - Greenwood
But alot of the players confidence looks shot for someone like James to suddenly learn to be a striker/forward who cuts in after spending the whole season doing the opposite thing.