Is Paul Pogba being bullied and harassed on TV

[Rhyme Animal]

Best not to even look at those. It's clear they're doing it for the clicks nowadays, I would hate to encourage them.

Even so, that is what Scholes is talking about in reaction to that disgraceful performance against Burnley...

After losing to Liverpool, Keane's reaction is to namedrop and criticize Pogba...

The lad didn't fecking play in either game! It's a blatant agenda.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

We obviously see the world differently in this regard. Must make me a racist Islamaphobe or something I guess.

What award have you just been given in the Current Events forum?

 

[TsuWave]

I want this club to be successful. I dont care if that's with or without Pogba, or anyone else for that matter.

Good thing we are in a thread discussing Paul Pogba

 

[sammsky1]

What award have you just been given in the CE forum?

Quick. Shoot the messenger.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

Quick. Shoot the messenger. Pathetic.

I'm just asking a question... I know you got an award from the Current Events forum - what award did you get given?

 

[sammsky1]

I'm just asking a question... I know you got an award from the Current Events forum - what award did you get given?

What do you think 'nazi poster' actually means ... that I'm an actual nazi? Are you really that thick? If you have the intellectual capacity, perhaps try to understand what certain titles actually mean, sarcasm and all?

Of more actual relevance, stop derailing this thread by trying to discredit the person, and not the message.

 

[GiddyUp]

It's absolutely mind-boggling. It's like a group of 20 guys standing together watching a single kid get bullied in a playground and doing absolutely nothing about it. It's ironic because all the bullying comes from ex-footballers who were only as talented as one of Pogba's feet. There are some deep envy and hatred for his natural ability amongst washed up footballers who also can't get over the fact that he's a larger than life character while they are devoid of one.

Hyperbole. Why would these people paid for their opinion on football be envious and full of hatred. They are also not washed up, they are retired and probably possess more football knowledge then Pogba, his brother and his cnut agent. Your analogy is also ridiculous.

 

[GiddyUp]

Some of the criticism he gets are in my opinion because of the colour of his skin and his religious beliefs. That crap Jason maceteer said came with no facts and just guesses. The only players i see get that kind of treatment in the britsh media are black players.

For fecks sake. Not one fecking person who has criticized Pogba mentioned the color of his skin or his religion. You do realize that the majority of our squad are black. Have been for a while. Shaw got the same stick the last few seasons also, these black pundits must be racist so.

 

[The Don]

It's not even a question. Of course he's being harassed and bullied. Every single week people are disrespecting him and blaming him for stuff he hasn't done. They've blamed him for Mourinho being sacked, they've blamed him for being a bad influence in the dressing room, they've blamed him for us loosing matches, when he hasn't even played. Even Jason fecking 'fluff between the ears' Mcateer is having a go at him now. A guy so fecking brain dead, he'd be awarded PIP if he took an IQ test. It's constant, over the top, overzealous criticism about anything but football.

Football wise, he hasn't lived up to the hype. However, he's been playing alongside dogshite for 3 years. I mean, players so far beneath him it's unreal. He came in for a big fee, which is nothing to do with him btw and has been expected to play out of position, alongside piss poor players, in a system designed to get the worst out of creative players and has been criticised in the press and on TV since day one, because he hasn't scored a hattrick in every match. Forget the fact that he is the ONLY creative player at the whole club and the fact that when playing regularly, his numbers are good, no doesn't matter, it's Pogba's fault we've been in decline for 7 years, under owners who are raping the club and a CEO who thinks he's playing FIFA on the ps4.

The lad needs to leave this cesspit of a club and this xenophobic shithole of a country, for his own good. His agent is right in everything he's said.

 

[GiddyUp]

For work place; most applicable to Pogba situation.
Bullying and harassment is behaviour that makes someone feel intimidated or offended. Harassment is unlawful under the Equality Act 2010.

Examples of bullying or harassing behaviour include:

• spreading malicious rumours YES
• unfair treatment YES
• picking on or regularly undermining someone YES
• denying someone’s training or promotion opportunities NA.

Oooooo, Pogba should file a police report and sue.

 

[Yagami]

Spot on, @The Don .

 

[Rhyme Animal]

Are you really that thick? If you have the intellectual capacity, perhaps try to understand what certain titles actually mean, sarcasm and all?

Also, stop derailing this thread and trying to discredit the person, and not the message.

Oh stop being so dramatic, you silly sausage.

Also I feel there's a gaping irony right here in the bolded text...

But as you suggested, I'm not sure that I would have the 'intellectual capacity' to understand it fully, so perhaps someone else will see it.

 

[Red_toad]

It's not even a question.

Oh my dear lord, the drama is strong within this one. Poor old Paul, it’s him v the world and it’s the worlds fault

 

[Rhyme Animal]

It's not even a question. Of course he's being harassed and bullied. Every single week people are disrespecting him and blaming him for stuff he hasn't done. They've blamed him for Mourinho being sacked, they've blamed him for being a bad influence in the dressing room, they've blamed him for us loosing matches, when he hasn't even played. Even Jason fecking 'fluff between the ears' Mcateer is having a go at him now. A guy so fecking brain dead, he'd be awarded PIP if he took an IQ test. It's constant, over the top, overzealous criticism about anything but football.

Football wise, he hasn't lived up to the hype. However, he's been playing alongside dogshite for 3 years. I mean, players so far beneath him it's unreal. He came in for a big fee, which is nothing to do with him btw and has been expected to play out of position, alongside piss poor players, in a system designed to get the worst out of creative players and has been criticised in the press and on TV since day one, because he hasn't scored a hattrick in every match. Forget the fact that he is the ONLY creative player at the whole club and the fact that when playing regularly, his numbers are good, no doesn't matter, it's Pogba's fault we've been in decline for 7 years, under owners who are raping the club and a CEO who thinks he's playing FIFA on the ps4.

The lad needs to leave this cesspit of a club and this xenophobic shithole of a country, for his own good. His agent is right in everything he's said.

Agree, but I'd rather he stayed and came good under a decent manager with some new players coming in!

 

[sammsky1]

Oh stop being so dramatic, you silly sausage.

Also I feel there's a gaping irony right here in the bolded text...

But as you suggested, I'm not sure that I would have the 'intellectual capacity' to understand it fully, so perhaps someone else will see it.

No irony at all.

And still waiting for you to reply to 'the message'.

 

[Rasendori]

Dont like the message, lies destroy the messenger. Oldest and lamest trick in the book

The fault lies with me for not understanding your response. What are you saying exactly?

 

[sammsky1]

The fault lies with me for not understanding your response. What are you saying exactly?

It means, in your post, you've provided selective links which encourage the reader to discredit John Barnes entirely on this subject, and so imply that we should discredit everything he says.

I would prefer just to focus on specifically what he has said in this instance, regardless of anything else he might or might not have said in the past.

Also, i think it's bit insane to imply that John Barnes views on this subject are not worth taking seriously.

 

[sosolid4u09]

I said the same thing about Lingard. Both him and Pogba receive this.

Lingard, being English, is one of the most protected players. When do the media have a go at him?

 

[The Don]

Oh my dear lord, the drama is strong within this one. Poor old Paul, it’s him v the world and it’s the worlds fault

You're exactly right. A player that doesn't smoke, drink, do drugs, trains hard and is our main creative output, when fit has been lambasted every single week, since the day he came. He's a devout, religious man, who's done nothing to illicit this sort of treatment, apart from some poor performances in a shite team, with shite players. Yet most of the criticism isn't even about his performances. He's demonised, weekly in the press and on here as some sort of playboy, that represents everything wrong with modern football. It does seem to be the world against Pogba and I'm struggling to see what's he's done to deserve this level of scrutiny and negative reaction.

 

[GiddyUp]

A case of out of the frying pan into the fire if he goes to Real. They will destroy him in the press and on the terraces if he doesn't perform in Spain. Our fan base has been for the most part good to him, Real fans will be a lot more ruthless. He needs to be careful what he wishes for.

I don't think Real will touch him. He will probably end up at PSG if anything.
I like Paul Pogba. His price tag, talent and belief in himself should be the thing that elevates this club but he brings too much shit on to the field.
He was our best player last season but doesn't mean shit with the crap around him.
His beautiful take down followed by an embarrassing steal by a Southampton player. That's him in a nutshell at this club. He rightly gets criticized for shit like that and always gets applauded when he does what we know he can. But this fanboy stuff needs to stop. Pogba is getting the same shit as the likes of Sterling and Beckham. McGrealish is probably next, nice guy with shit hair makes a dogs dinner of Euro Semi, public enemy number one.
Media need a bad guy or someone they believe is living beyond their station. This is not new.
But to call football pundits racist because they rightly criticize a talented player for not doing all he could or not having his head in the game is just wrong.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

It means, in your post, you've provided selective links which encouraged the reader to discredit John Barnes entirely on this subject, and so imply that we should discredit everything he says.

I would prefer just to focus on specifically what he has said in this instance, regardless of anything else he might or might not have said.

Also, i think it's bit insane to imply that John Barnes views on this subject are not worth taking seriously.

Again, this John Barnes, yeah...? This is the guy you want to pin your argument on...

BBC - John Barnes condemns Luis Suarez Witch hunt

You want us to ignore that he's got a long history of talking utter garbage because it suits your daft stance in this one instance.

It's called context mate, and only the foolish try to avoid it.

 

[sammsky1]

Again, this John Barnes, yeah...? This is the guy you want to pin your argument on...

BBC - John Barnes condemns Luis Suarez Witch hunt

You want us to ignore that he's got a long history of talking utter garbage because it suits your daft stance in this one instance.

It's called context mate, and only the foolish try to avoid it.

Yet another selective link. WhoopiDo. You can ignore whatever you like, I couldn't give 2 hoots what you think about John Barnes.

And re the actual quote: Barnes simply had some empathy for Suarez; it's called context mate, and only the foolish try to avoid it. I don't find anything that remarkable in anything Barnes said unless you have a pre set agenda.

And in a past where I explain to another poster about what I mean about "shooting the messenger for the message .... again all you've done is discredit the messenger and not the specific message Barnes said about Pogba

Always the first sign of someone who cant defend their POV. Seems to be your MO.

 

[roykeane19]

Wven worse, all these rumours that pundits fabricate about him, most of the match going fans who lets face it arent the brightest. eat up every word of it, and that was around the time when they booed him of the pitch.
So this hounding does have a big effect , if I was Pogab and booed by my own fans for being heads and shoulders above the other crap in the team, I`d leave/
Whiel the likes of Lingard, mctominay, shaw, jones etc get applauded for "working hard"
Even in Rooneys last 2-3 yrs when he was absolytely terrible, not a single pundit or former player ever said a bad wprd about him, neville going so far as calling his performances silent domination.

Whether people like it or not there is an element of rascism in English press, not as open as Italian media , but more sublte, was done with balotelli, ozil and now Pogba, properly hounding him out of the country, which is a shame , as hes a quality player and seems like alovely guy also

 

[GiddyUp]

I can form my own opinion without reading the ‘media’.
I agree with what Mourinho ‘virus’ statement and it was obvious that Pogba was actively seeking to undermine his authority. Hate Mourinho as much as you like, that kind of insubordination is the worst crime in a team sport and a terrible example to other players.

Likewise I’ve heard enough disrespect about the club from him and his agent (who is his mouthpiece). These are direct quotes from the horses mouth.

I’ve also seen with my own eyes how he turns up only when he feels like it, and half arses it when he can’t be bothered.

Then there are all the reported incidents of arrogance and hubris. I can go on and on.

1st game of last season at home to Leicester. We get an early penalty, he scores and doesn't even celebrate. Just glares over at Mourinho. Pretty sure I'm remembering it right. A professional athlete shouldn't bring any of that in to competition and especially don't advertise it like he did.
I still have hope that a new manager or a miraculous 180 from the club would convince him to stay but let's be honest, he doesn't really give a shit about this club enough to help us out in our hour of need. Which makes him part of the problem, a big 80 million problem.
Please stay and fight Paul, if not, feck off the day after our last match and don't subject us to a Griezmann reality show. It's the least you could do.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

Yet another selective link. WhoopiDo. And re the actual quote: Barnes simply had some empathy for Suarez. Nothing that remarkable in anything he said unless you have a pre set agenda. You can ignore whatever you like, I couldn't give 2 hoots what you think about John Barnes.

Again all you're trying to do is discredit the messenger and not the message itself. Always the first sign of someone who defend their own POV. Seems to be your MO.

He has a long history of talking utter guff when it comes to racism and Liverpool football club (and, in case you missed it, the guy he's waded in to defend now is one of his ex-dipper buddies).

And besides, you can't simply demand people ignore mountains of context because it suits your uninformed opinion on the internet! Cmon, stop being so daft.

It'd be like asking people to ignore the fact that Tommy Robinson is a racist lowlife who uses crass Populism to appeal to unintelligent oafs and demanding that people take him seriously as a journalist because he's said something that you want other people to agree with.

Barnes at this point won't be taken seriously when Liverpool FC and defending racism is concerned - he has WAY too much previous.

The examples in this thread alone are surely enough to tell you that you've picked the losing horse here mate.

Move on, and use a different angle to emphasize or explain your point. Please, for your own sake if nothing else.

 

[sammsky1]

Move on, and use a different angle to emphasize or explain your point. Please, for your own sake if nothing else.

What if I don't? Are you the judge on what is admissible and how I formulate my views?

Also, I see you cant comment on what he said, and just selectively quote stuff he says before. Good. Glad we cleared that up.

 

[Mr Smith]

I'm actually a provisional psychologist and work with people who have been bullied and harassed at work, and there's definitely a case. Most common cases I see is where clients have had their performance relentlessly and unfairly scrutinised and thats certainly the case with Pogba.

A lot of it though comes down to whether it affects him, because the other thing I see all the time is that one person can shrug off things that another person can't. I know if I was Pogba, id never want to play in England again after what I've been put through.

 

[GiddyUp]

It's not even a question. Of course he's being harassed and bullied. Every single week people are disrespecting him and blaming him for stuff he hasn't done. They've blamed him for Mourinho being sacked, they've blamed him for being a bad influence in the dressing room, they've blamed him for us loosing matches, when he hasn't even played. Even Jason fecking 'fluff between the ears' Mcateer is having a go at him now. A guy so fecking brain dead, he'd be awarded PIP if he took an IQ test. It's constant, over the top, overzealous criticism about anything but football.

Football wise, he hasn't lived up to the hype. However, he's been playing alongside dogshite for 3 years. I mean, players so far beneath him it's unreal. He came in for a big fee, which is nothing to do with him btw and has been expected to play out of position, alongside piss poor players, in a system designed to get the worst out of creative players and has been criticised in the press and on TV since day one, because he hasn't scored a hattrick in every match. Forget the fact that he is the ONLY creative player at the whole club and the fact that when playing regularly, his numbers are good, no doesn't matter, it's Pogba's fault we've been in decline for 7 years, under owners who are raping the club and a CEO who thinks he's playing FIFA on the ps4.

The lad needs to leave this cesspit of a club and this xenophobic shithole of a country, for his own good. His agent is right in everything he's said.

Agree with everything you said except for the second sentence but that is very true on social media. Print and television not so much, they get paid for a professional opinion and give it. Nothing wrong there in my opinion.
Don't forget to factor in that the guy has history here which isn't all roses. It's why I think it was a mistake in us bringing him back. Regarding his agent, he is correct in a sense but extremely exaggerated and should not have been said to the media. We know we have problems but he is also one of them. Pogba should probably leave. It would be best for everyone unless a new manager comes in and they can find a winning formula very quickly.

 

[Ludens the Red]

It's not even a question. Of course he's being harassed and bullied. Every single week people are disrespecting him and blaming him for stuff he hasn't done. They've blamed him for Mourinho being sacked, they've blamed him for being a bad influence in the dressing room, they've blamed him for us loosing matches, when he hasn't even played. Even Jason fecking 'fluff between the ears' Mcateer is having a go at him now. A guy so fecking brain dead, he'd be awarded PIP if he took an IQ test. It's constant, over the top, overzealous criticism about anything but football.

Football wise, he hasn't lived up to the hype. However, he's been playing alongside dogshite for 3 years. I mean, players so far beneath him it's unreal. He came in for a big fee, which is nothing to do with him btw and has been expected to play out of position, alongside piss poor players, in a system designed to get the worst out of creative players and has been criticised in the press and on TV since day one, because he hasn't scored a hattrick in every match. Forget the fact that he is the ONLY creative player at the whole club and the fact that when playing regularly, his numbers are good, no doesn't matter, it's Pogba's fault we've been in decline for 7 years, under owners who are raping the club and a CEO who thinks he's playing FIFA on the ps4.

The lad needs to leave this cesspit of a club and this xenophobic shithole of a country, for his own good. His agent is right in everything he's said.

He definitely gets targeted for the "generic" criticism but it's hard to have sympathy for someone when they sit there in silence as their agent abuses and insults the club at every opportunity whilst paying him obscene amounts of wages every week and he says feck all. Tell your agent to shut the feck up, we know it's shit at United at the moment but you're apart of OUR club, why the feck is your agent slagging the club off at every opportunity, wind his neck in.
And again, it's hard to sympathise with someone who actively and deliberately engineers a transfer away from the club. I really don't know what people expect, especially from United old boys. Like I see people try and mention Keane as if him haggling for a better deal 20 years ago is anything like the way Pogba and Raiola have behaved. The guy actively disrespects and shits on the club, that's a fact as is the fact he seems to get blamed for everything but I have zero sympathy for him.

If he goes to Madrid and behaves the way he's behaved here this xenophobia you speak of will be times a hundred. Real Madrid folk are not known for their patience and understanding, if he goes there and it doesn't go swimmingly and his agent starts talking shit he's going to get crucified.

 

[Rasendori]

It means, in your post, you've provided selective links which encourage the reader to discredit John Barnes entirely on this subject, and so imply that we should discredit everything he says.

I would prefer just to focus on specifically what he has said in this instance, regardless of anything else he might or might not have said.

Also, i think it's bit insane to imply that John Barnes views on this subject are not worth taking seriously.

I thoroughly appreciate you taking the time to explain the initial response. I still don't see why RedTiger should be surprised at the response by John Barnes when it's a stance Barnes has taken on some of the recent football incidents.Two other examples why RedTiger shouldn't be surprised being:

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[Colin Clarke]

I know Pogba wanted to leave in the summer but having seen how our season is going I don't blame him. It's actually not his fault he is injured. This happens to players during their careers. And I do believe he would rather be out on the pitch than sitting on the sidelines watching or getting treatment. Would we be a better side with a fully fit Paul Pogba? Yes we would. Should we have let him go and replaced him with atleast two midfielders with the money? In an ideal world yes this would have been the best option but the offers didn't come in and I don't trust this board to properly replace him. After all we haven't replaced Herrera or Fellini. Is he being bullied in the media? Yes he is to a certain extent. I know Roy Keane has extremely high standards when it comes to players professionalism. As he says "fail to prepare, prepare to fail". But he too was young once and made lots of mistakes. The British press have always loved to build you up and knock you down first chance they get. All I know is I wish Pogba was fit now as we really really really could do with him on the pitch right now.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

What if I don't? Are you the judge on what is admissible and how I formulate my views?

Also, I see you cant comment on what he said, and just selectively quote stuff he says before. Good. Glad we cleared that up.

Listen, I'm just trying to help you to converse on the topic in a manner that will enable you to actually get your own view across - rather than just saying 'John Barnes said this'!

And as I (and others) have tried to explain to you, repeatedly, Barnes isn't to be taken seriously when it comes to explaining away racism linked with Liverpool FC - he simply has far too much previous and he talks utter rubbish...

A fact which I'm starting to think is perhaps why you're so inexplicably drawn toward the man!

 

[sammsky1]

Listen, I'm just trying to help you to converse on the topic in a manner that will enable you to actually get your own view across - rather than just saying 'John Barnes said this'!

And as I (and others) have tried to explain to you, repeatedly, Barnes isn't to be taken seriously when it comes to explaining away racism linked with Liverpool FC - he simply has far too much previous and he talks utter rubbish...

A fact which I'm starting to think is perhaps why you're so inexplicably drawn toward the man!

As I said, I don't care what YOU think about John Barnes. Also, I dont need your help to have conversation. Thanks anyway.

The only reason you cant handle what he says about Pogba is because it doesn't suit your agenda.

I also see you still cant react to what Barnes said on Pogba, and keep selectively quoting stuff he said before. Messenger not message.

 

[P0GBA]

I don't think he has done anything majorly wrong but things like getting picked up after every game in a chauffeur driven Rolls Royce while his team mates travel on the team coach does help peoples opinion of him.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

As I said, I don't care what YOU think about John Barnes. Also, I dont need your help to have conversation. Thanks anyway.

The only reason you cant handle what he says about Pogba is because it doesn't suit your agenda.

I also see you still cant react to what Barnes said on Pogba, and keep selectively quoting stuff he said before. Messenger not message.

Why are you still talking about John fecking Barnes you mentalist!?

Just state your own point without going on about John Barnes!

I'm actually a provisional psychologist and work with people who have been bullied and harassed at work, and there's definitely a case. Most common cases I see is where clients have had their performance relentlessly and unfairly scrutinised and thats certainly the case with Pogba.

A lot of it though comes down to whether it affects him, because the other thing I see all the time is that one person can shrug off things that another person can't. I know if I was Pogba, id never want to play in England again after what I've been put through.

Really interesting when put like that.

Regarding the bold though... I can't help but think that the main issue is actually ex-Utd players and their belief that they're still kind of 'in charge' at Utd.

Or at least that they still feel that they're 'an authority' on all things Utd, even though many of them aren't attached to club in any way shape or form any more.

Also, of course the fact they get away with this type of thing, it's only now that anyone is calling them out for it.

I kind of think that if Pogba was at City or Arsenal or Chelsea he wouldn't get this treatment from them, as when you think about it, it's really only Utd that they each make their money talking endless shit about...

I think it's gotten to the point where other players - particularly creative players - could actually be put off moving to Utd because of this element.

 

[The Don]

He definitely gets targeted for the "generic" criticism but it's hard to have sympathy for someone when they sit there in silence as their agent abuses and insults the club at every opportunity whilst paying him obscene amounts of wages every week and he says feck all. Tell your agent to shut the feck up, we know it's shit at United at the moment but you're apart of OUR club, why the feck is your agent slagging the club off at every opportunity, wind his neck in.
And again, it's hard to sympathise with someone who actively and deliberately engineers a transfer away from the club. I really don't know what people expect, especially from United old boys. Like I see people try and mention Keane as if him haggling for a better deal 20 years ago is anything like the way Pogba and Raiola have behaved. The guy actively disrespects and shits on the club, that's a fact as is the fact he seems to get blamed for everything but I have zero sympathy for him.

If he goes to Madrid and behaves the way he's behaved here this xenophobia you speak of will be times a hundred. Real Madrid folk are not known for their patience and understanding, if he goes there and it doesn't go swimmingly and his agent starts talking shit he's going to get crucified.

C'mon Leroy, you know better than that, mate. I'm certainly not going to lecture you on on any racism/xenophobic elements to this (because that would just be ignorant and stupid on my part) but the guy has been scapegoated since day one. Considering the team he came into, expectations were far too high. He got criticism on his performance in his first ever game, ffs. After a while, when everyone started to label him a flop (wrongly, I might add because there were far worse than him in the team)and blame him for all of our failings as a team and rumours about him leaving were generated in the press, he did come out and defend himself, the club and the manger and said he wanted to stay. He's done that a few times, actually but it has been incessant. He's been turned into a villian, for no apparent reason. Is it any wonder he's been trying to leave? (if that's even true)

I'll tell you what I expect from pundits, if he isn't playing, don't mention him. Shut the feck up about him. Pogba is not the reson the club is in free fall. He came here, hoping for success and it hasn't worked out. It's mainly down to Mourinho, tbh. Why go out and buy one of the most creative players in world football, then lump him in as a defensive midfielder and completely shackle and stifel his creativity? Everyone knew what Pogba was before we bought him. A mercurial talent, who needs a team built round him to get the best out of him. Mourinho did the opposite, then stuck the knife in his back.

 

[sammsky1]

Why are you still talking about John fecking Barnes you mentalist!?

Just state your own point without going on about John Barnes!

I've already stated my opinion on previous pages. I agree with what John Barnes has said on the subject.

Also, it's you who is obsessed about Barnes, not me.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

I've already stated my opinion on previous pages. I agree with what John Barnes has said on the subject.

Also, it's you who is obsessed about Barnes, not me.

You're having a mare mate, just stop, please.

 

[The Don]

I've already stated my opinion on previous pages. I agree with what John Barnes has said on the subject.

Also, it's you who is obsessed about Barnes, not me.

Sammsky, mate, agreeing with John Barnes on issues of racism in football, is like agreeing with Harold Shipman on issues of healthcare.

 

[MikeKing]

Isn't it mostly just that he is a famous player, like in a Chelsea discussion a couple years ago very often Hazard's name would get a mention even if he didn't play. Same with De Bruyne etc. They miss De Bruyne etc. Also, the managers get it too, I remember I felt sorry for Van Gaal he was also treated unfairly.

Pogba do get his share of the blame, being a big player that has some damaging relations but that's about it.