Is Paul Pogba being bullied and harassed on TV

[elmo]

Anyone thinking that he's not complicit with what his brother and his agent are doing are fools.

All he has to do is ask them to shut up and do a press statement with the club reiterate his commitment with us and it'll shut everybody up.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

Would be harsh on if he asked his brother and agent to stop being twats on behalf of him.

Anyone thinking that he's not complicit with what his brother and his agent are doing are fools.

Yeah I agree with that - his brother should shut up.

 

[sammsky1]

Sammsky, mate, agreeing with John Barnes on issues of racism in football, is like agreeing with Harold Shipman on issues of healthcare.

Regardless I share his opinion. And had that opinion before I even read his.

None of my criticism towards Pogba has anything to do with his race or religion.

And from what I’ve read or heard, i don’t consider any pundit criticism towards him lacking merit or evidence.

That’s what I think. And I’m happy with that thought.

 

[sammsky1]

You're having a mare mate, just stop, please.

If you think so, you should worry less about me. I’m fine. Thanks.

 

[The Don]

Regardless I shave his opinion. And had that opinion before I even read it.

None of my criticism towards pogna has anything to do with his race or religion. And from what I’ve seen or heard, o don’t consider any pundit criticism towards him lacking merit or evidence.

That’s what I think. And I’m happy with that thought.

You must have a razor sharp intellect.

 

[sammsky1]

You must have a razor sharp intellect.

F’ing autocorrects ! Have corrected!

 

[MadDogg]

I agree with Mourinho ‘virus’ statement and it was obvious Pogba was actively seeking to undermine his authority. Hate Mourinho as much as you like, that kind of insubordination is the worst crime in a team sport and a terrible example to other players.

Actively seeking to undermine his authority? From memory the only thing Pogba said was about the style of play. Something basically every supporter of the club was also thinking. It was also obvious that Mourinho was losing the dressing room and Pogba probably just said what all the players were thinking. Also has to be noted that Mourinho had publicly given Pogba shit multiple times in the previous 6 or so months, most of the time wrongly and unnecessarily. Or is that ok because he's the manager rather than a player?

 

[Rhyme Animal]

That’s what I think. And I’m happy with that thought.

You don't sound that happy...

 

[Van Piorsing]

Just wondering what would Scholes do on the pitch with having Pereira starting almost every game and Lingard coming from the bench. When Pog was not injured he had Matić with depleted stamina and and not fully acclimatized Fred around him.

Pretty much one man midfield in literal sense.

 

[Red_toad]

You're exactly right. A player that doesn't smoke, drink, do drugs, trains hard and is our main creative output, when fit has been lambasted every single week, since the day he came. He's a devout, religious man, who's done nothing to illicit this sort of treatment, apart from some poor performances in a shite team, with shite players. Yet most of the criticism isn't even about his performances. He's demonised, weekly in the press and on here as some sort of playboy, that represents everything wrong with modern football. It does seem to be the world against Pogba and I'm struggling to see what's he's done to deserve this level of scrutiny and negative reaction.

Yeah mate, it’s like he’s never put up tweets at inappropriate times, nor got his picture taken with Zidane. Nor is he allowing his agent and brother to put up negative stuff about the people who are paying his wages.
You keep telling yourself it’s all everyone else and he’s the innocent victim.

 

[He'sRaldo]

All he has to do is ask them to shut up and do a press statement with the club reiterate his commitment with us and it'll shut everybody up.

Highly doubt that. People were talking even before his commitment was in any doubt.

 

[SadlerMUFC]

Paul Pogba has more talent in his little finger than Roy Keane has ever had in his entire body. But if I had to choose which one of the two I would rather have on United in their prime, it would be a no brainer. Think about that for a moment...

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

So let me get this right so Im not confused: @fergiesarmy1 has let himself down ... just because he doesn't agree with you?

I'd suggest that perhaps it's you with the blind spot

Yes I feel he’s let himself down cause his point differs to mine; it has absolutely nothing to do with this outlandish “what about the black pundits” nonsense.

@fergiesarmy1 & I have actually debated Pogba a number of times - he’s a poster I have respect for; I just think he has a blind spot when it comes to Pogba.

You’ve waded into something you have no clue about when @fergiesarmy1 responded he hardly took offence.

Mad cause he doesn’t agree with me

To clarify, you haven’t got this right & you are confused. Apology accepted.

 

[redcafe_reader]

Paul Pogba has more talent in his little finger than Roy Keane has ever had in his entire body. But if I had to choose which one of the two I would rather have on United in their prime, it would be a no brainer. Think about that for a moment...

Sorry but that's nonsense, or maybe you think talent is only about flashy stuff. Roy Keane is an extremely talented CM, one of the best of his generation.

 

[Raees]

He’s the footballing equivalent to Meghan Markle.

 

[SadlerMUFC]

Sorry but that's nonsense, or maybe you think talent is only about flashy stuff. Roy Keane is an extremely talented CM, one of the best of his generation.

My exageration aside, I think you missed the point...

 

[OL29]

Just wondering what would Scholes do on the pitch with having Pereira starting almost every game and Lingard coming from the bench. When Pog was not injured he had Matić with depleted stamina and and not fully acclimatized Fred around him.

Pretty much one man midfield in literal sense.

Probably refuse to play, wouldn’t be the first time.

 

[Jeppers7]

He definitely gets targeted for the "generic" criticism but it's hard to have sympathy for someone when they sit there in silence as their agent abuses and insults the club at every opportunity whilst paying him obscene amounts of wages every week and he says feck all. Tell your agent to shut the feck up, we know it's shit at United at the moment but you're apart of OUR club, why the feck is your agent slagging the club off at every opportunity, wind his neck in.
And again, it's hard to sympathise with someone who actively and deliberately engineers a transfer away from the club. I really don't know what people expect, especially from United old boys. Like I see people try and mention Keane as if him haggling for a better deal 20 years ago is anything like the way Pogba and Raiola have behaved. The guy actively disrespects and shits on the club, that's a fact as is the fact he seems to get blamed for everything but I have zero sympathy for him.

If he goes to Madrid and behaves the way he's behaved here this xenophobia you speak of will be times a hundred. Real Madrid folk are not known for their patience and understanding, if he goes there and it doesn't go swimmingly and his agent starts talking shit he's going to get crucified.

Keane destabilised an entire season, wilfully trying to get the best deal, most money for himself. Pretty selfish really. The media attention around it at the time was huge and overshadowed our run in. Certainly SAF didn’t need the constant questions.

In comparison Pogbas agent has said that Pogba chose to come back to United, when he would have advised him otherwise. That the club isn’t in a good position and the project isn’t working. That Pogba would love to to win trophies here but it might not be possible.

Then you’ve got Keane saying Pogba is a bad influence and a nuisance, a guy who got sacked for slating his own teammates in public, arrested the week of an fa cup final for punching a woman, sent home from a World Cup for his behaviour. Amongst many other issues.

I love Roy Keane but comparing their behaviour and negative impact on a squad and manager is like comparing their performances on the pitch. There’s not contest in either department, Keane wins hands down.

Your post simply highlights the issue with the scrutiny Pogba receives. It’s unjustified but affects opinion massively as to make Pogba look worse than Keane.

 

[redcafe_reader]

My exageration aside, I think you missed the point...

You can make your point without such stupid nonsense about "Paul Pogba has more talent in his little finger than Roy Keane has ever had in his entire body", as you also agree that's an "exaggeration".

Keane destabilised an entire season, wilfully trying to get the best deal, most money for himself. Pretty selfish really. The media attention around it at the time was huge and overshadowed our run in. Certainly SAF didn’t need the constant questions.

In comparison Pogbas agent has said that Pogba chose to come back to United, when he would have advised him otherwise. That the club isn’t in a good position and the project isn’t working. That Pogba would love to to win trophies here but it might not be possible.

Then you’ve got Keane saying Pogba is a bad influence and a nuisance, a guy who got sacked for slating his own teammates in public, arrested the week of an fa cup final for punching a woman, sent home from a World Cup for his behaviour. Amongst many other issues.

I love Roy Keane but comparing their behaviour and negative impact on a squad and manager is like comparing their performances on the pitch. There’s not contest in either department, Keane wins hands down.

Your post simply highlights the issue with the scrutiny Pogba receives. It’s unjustified but affects opinion massively as to make Pogba look worse than Keane.

Not to mention Paul Scholes refused to play in a Worthington Cup and was fined 2 weeks wages by SAF, imagine if Pogba did anything close to that?

I keep my opinion that it's always easy to try very hard when you play for the best team in England and under the absolute best manager, imagine Keane and Scholes and Neville under another manager? For example in our current team?

 

[Litch]

.....it's a lived experience, some of you will never understand it but some of us see where it comes from and how it manifests itself. It's that entrenched in some people, and they don't even know they are doing it.

 

[Ekeke]

No. Part of being a professional footballer is taking criticism from people passionate about the sport.

If this bothers Pogba it would be quite easy to sort it out by speaking openly and honestly if whats being said is untrue. If he didnt ask for a move, he can easily say he didnt ask for a move. If he feels his agent has overstepped with some comments he could say so, he's the client and its his best interests that are supposed to be served.

 

[Alabaster Codify7]

Ole's Brexit FC approach in the last window probably struck gold with his mates in the media too, remember. They can be very biased against foreign players so the fact their buddy Ole is targeting all these "hard working young Englishmen" will probably be a wet dream for them, meaning they're even less likely to criticise him.

 

[fergiesarmy1]

Well said.

The serious press (Jonathan Wilson, Rory Smith, Ogden) don't indulge in this crap but the tabloid hacks like Sameul do.

Then there are these these PFM types (and Scholesly absolutely is one) who always have a go at foreigners first. It's not even about race first, they will always support a Marcus over a Marcos. Remember the free ride Joe Hart got for ages till Guardiola binned him? Ole and Schemichel are themselves in many ways English PFMs right down to their manc inflected accents and constant chirping about 'the way' or 'the attitude' etc.

The fact is that both Keane and Scholes have sulked and acted like absolute idiots when they were players. What Keane did in 2002 was disgraceful and you all know it. Read this: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2001/nov/08/newsstory.sport7

^ The focus on his unsmiling nature, his form. If that was Pogba you'd have the likes of Scholes ready with the knives out, ready to dine out on it for a week.

If you lose they will always be a scapegoat. Rio could only get away with his daft world cup windups because we were winning. It's worth remembering that when we drew to Burton in 2005 or 06 in a goalless draw and they got a replay, Big Pete slagged off half our side and said "From where I'm looking, the players seem interested only in cars and who has the biggest diamond. The team lacks personality.
"They had that in Roy Keane but the only one with that kind of personality now is Wayne Rooney.
"I'm thinking about players who could take the club forward. Ronaldo? No chance. Park? No chance. Ferdinand? No chance. United would be a very ordinary team without Rooney."

Then the Burton captain, some no name clogger, spouted some Troy Deeney shite about our players no having hunger or desire. You can literally repost what Schmeichel said and swap out the old names for Martial, Fred and Pogba and replace Rooney with Rashford and it would be lapped up today.

It happens over and over. PFMs love setting themselves up as guardians of some secret code. To an extent players have to bear this. But at least Scholes and Keane you can bear because they were incredible footballers. If Henry or Wrighty had said it you can bear it. I don't think Souness and Keane are necessarily wrong about Pogba and the circus around him but there's a time and a place. They constantly snipe about him even when he's nowhere near the team. But Jason fecking Mcateer? An absolute nothing players who wore that white suit to the FA Cup final? feck off.

All that said, Pogba hardly helps himself by tweeting that picture after Mourinho was sacked or letting his agent mouth off.

Your in trouble with your last sentence, it was agent, his sponsor, his mums sisters dog or something and Pogba had absolutely nothing to do with it

 

[Fortitude]

No. Part of being a professional footballer is taking criticism from people passionate about the sport.

If this bothers Pogba it would be quite easy to sort it out by speaking openly and honestly if whats being said is untrue. If he didnt ask for a move, he can easily say he didnt ask for a move. If he feels his agent has overstepped with some comments he could say so, he's the client and its his best interests that are supposed to be served.

How often do people who are being bullied speak candidly about it? Is what you're saying realistic? Opening up lines of communication in this manner invites even more stick and, just as in real life, has the potential blowback that makes the situation even worse.

Pogba was being systematically attacked way before his agent or brother said a word; he has been rounded upon for things that have nothing to do with football for his entire tenure here. If things had ramped up or correlated with on-field dips in performance, there would be more validity to the line of thought you've put forth.

He was always a target, but at some point, it became open season and the easiest thing to do - even sniping him or outright blasting from the hip in games he has had no part in.

 

[roonster09]

Ole's Brexit FC approach in the last window probably struck gold with his mates in the media too, remember. They can be very biased against foreign players so the fact their buddy Ole is targeting all these "hard working young Englishmen" will probably be a wet dream for them, meaning they're even less likely to criticise him.

Thread on pundit and their agenda against Pogba is turned into Ole bashing one

 

[ghaliboy]

Easy solution, don't watch it.

 

[fergiesarmy1]

Thread on pundit and their agenda against Pogba is turned into Ole bashing one

Seems a lot of bullying of Ole and name calling of Ole on here and social media but that’s ok I guess

 

[UmbroDays]

So personally I think he is being "bullied" it's clear as day, especially from the likes of Keane and Scholes. Keane, as pointed out in this thread is not exactly the beacon of harmony in teams e.g Ireland and for us. Scholes has had his issues too, as pointed out already.

Now as I've seen a few posts hint on this, I think the Pogba and Meghan Markle situation are similar. I do not think they are outright based on racism, but racism does play a part with some of the abuse from some people. There's an unnerving feeling of white British harmony (British Royal Family, Manchester United) being ruined by the foreigner coming in. As in both cases, I think the abuse based on racism is subtle on purpose, in order for it to not be validated. But this is something welllllll beyond a football forum, so I will leave that POV there.

What IS more clear is the basic xenophobic aspect of the abuse. Pogba did not deserve ANY negative mention after that Liverpool game, we had shit all over the pitch for 90 minutes to be concerned about. But Keane or Scholes will never critise their old buddies and whether you call that brotherhood or not, it is not professional spouting this abuse to the public.

I like Pogba. I like Pogba's style. I like Pogba back at United. But Pogba represents a modern day, culturally aware black footballer and some people just do not know how to handle it, especially at Manchester United where we are doing shit. I'm used to the modern day players who may "milly rock" after scoring, have an Insta story of them listening to some hip-hop or having a different hair style than the usual, as I am a young(ish) black male. But for the likes of Scholes and Keane, etc who aren't as modern or cultural I can see why Pogba is a target. I don't like it and I don't listen to it.

"Just do your job and keep your head down"
"Stop being flashy"
"*insert slang style impersonation here*"

 

[Ekeke]

How often do people who are being bullied speak candidly about it? Is what you're saying realistic? Opening up lines of communication in this manner invites even more stick and, just as in real life, has the potential blowback that makes the situation even worse.

Pogba was being systematically attacked way before his agent or brother said a word; he has been rounded upon for things that have nothing to do with football for his entire tenure here. If things had ramped up or correlated with on-field dips in performance, there would be more validity to the line of thought you've put forth.

He was always a target, but at some point, it became open season and the easiest thing to do - even sniping him or outright blasting from the hip in games he has had no part in.

He's not being bullied, he's being speculated about because of his lifestyle, his agent and his past. He's already left us before.

He could easily speak about that, but if he does it might make him less money in the next contract negotiation. If it bothers him more than money, I'm sure we'd hear.

 

[elmo]

Paul Pogba has more talent in his little finger than Roy Keane has ever had in his entire body. But if I had to choose which one of the two I would rather have on United in their prime, it would be a no brainer. Think about that for a moment...

You've not watched Keane played, so shut your trap.

 

[Vault Dweller]

Paul Pogba has more talent in his little finger than Roy Keane has ever had in his entire body. But if I had to choose which one of the two I would rather have on United in their prime, it would be a no brainer. Think about that for a moment...

I like Pogba but

 

[JPRouve]

He's not being bullied, he's being speculated about because of his lifestyle, his agent and his past. He's already left us before.

He could easily speak about that, but if he does it might make him less money in the next contract negotiation. If it bothers him more than money, I'm sure we'd hear.

What is so special about his lifestyle, posters keep mentioning it?

 

[Hammondo]

Paul Pogba has more talent in his little finger than Roy Keane has ever had in his entire body. But if I had to choose which one of the two I would rather have on United in their prime, it would be a no brainer. Think about that for a moment...

You just embarrassed yourself.

 

[Vault Dweller]

What is so special about his lifestyle, posters keep mentioning it?

I don't understand it either.

 

[Mainoldo]

What is so special about his lifestyle, posters keep mentioning it?

He posts the odd video dancing with his brothers. Has flashy haircuts probably because he doesn’t like the texture of his hair and.. well he looks like he’s confident.

Just a guess. But I’m sure they’ll drop in his agent or he said he wants to leave.

 

[Fortitude]

He's not being bullied, he's being speculated about because of his lifestyle, his agent and his past. He's already left us before.

He could easily speak about that, but if he does it might make him less money in the next contract negotiation. If it bothers him more than money, I'm sure we'd hear.

You've literally glossed over my post and continued along a preset line of thought.

My points still remain, particularly the narrative against him before either his brother or agent said a word, or constantly taking pops at him even when he hasn't played a single minute of the game. You can't just ignore that.

 

[Alabaster Codify7]

It's very telling that he still gets criticised when not playing yet the same Old Boys Club pundits have yet to even mention someone like Lingard who hasn't scored or assisted for over a year despite being almost a first-team regular in the #10 role.

 

[Water Melon]

Paul Pogba has more talent in his little finger than Roy Keane has ever had in his entire body. But if I had to choose which one of the two I would rather have on United in their prime, it would be a no brainer. Think about that for a moment...

Easy there. Roy Keane was a terrific midfielder and a terrific captain. His passing was smart, fast, accurate and he would chip in with goals too. We do not have a passer like him these days. We do not have such an engine in our midfield either. Lastly, we will hardly have a captain like him ever again.

 

[DBT85]

What is so special about his lifestyle, posters keep mentioning it?

Ahh you see, it's the wrong KIND of lifestyle. Lewis Hamilton also gets criticism for his. And his clothes. And his hair. And his music.

 

[JPB]

I said the same thing about Lingard. Both him and Pogba receive this.

But Lingard's shit.