Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

[Robbie Boy]

Love how you put these just because they line up with your theory.

Would any top club have appointed Lampard? No.
Would any top club have hired Rodgers when Liverpool did? No.
Would any top club have hired Pelligrini? No.
Would any top club have hired Arteta? No.

Just because the rivals found their current manager to be the right one, doesnt meant they too havent been through bad managerial choices.

You are talking about clubs who have kept changing managers compared to one that doesnt know what to do when one is not successful.

Oh the agenda is strong with this one. Funnily enough though, Pelligrini managed to win the league. My point was that we have gone for four poor appointments. The only one I personally wanted was Mourinho but really he should have come straight after Fergie.

So when Liverpool realised that Rodgers wasn't up to the task, what did they do? Appoint Klopp. When Mourinho went full metal jacket, who was Chelsea's next permanent manager? Conte. When Pellegrini was deemed not good enough, what did City do? Hire Guardiola. Funny that every one of those managers then brought some form of success. We have now got rid of Mourino and downgraded with Ole.

And yeah, I mentioned Emery, Arteta too but who cares about Arsenal really? As for Lampard? Well he's there less time than Ole and ahead of us in the league.

 

[momo83]

Dont know why people keep arguing with guys who have Ole, Fergie or Dream in their name. Could as well be with Ole's son you are arguing with. It is an emotional debate for them, you can't win. Ole is a genius and they will pretend that to League two if they have to. If he fails, everything and everyone else failed, Ole is a genius and deserves time as well as 2 billion in the market.

Next up someone with the name of Ole4everIWantToSuckYourD will appear and people will try to tell him Ole is embarrassing, while he will play the game as usual. Time, Woodward, Klopp , money blablabla. We had similar discussions with Jose fanboys. Sacking is the only way forward and the discussions will slowly disappear. Then they can cry in their corner

The delusion from the ole in is remarkable. They’ll lie to defend him and then accuse you of lying. Take this muppetry of a response that I received recently after I said Ole took over a Cardiff side that was not in one of the relegation positions spent money in the winter window and still got relegated:

These statements are factually incorrect, or you can also call them blatant lies.

1. Ole took over Cardiff in January, when Cardiff were 16th in the table, one point above the relegation places. So they pretty much were in the relegation zone. And they did not bring anybody in the winter window, so “spent money in the window and still got relegated” is a lie - plain and simple. They spent money after they got relegated (more about that below). He was asked to save them from relegation, while having only half season, using the same squad that was already in relegation zone. It didn’t work. Nothing too surprising there - chances were slim to begin with.

2. After relegation (and not before!) they got new players. But that was mostly because a lot of players left, so they were forced to replace them. That’s what massive inflow of new players was about. It wasn’t necessarily good news, and these players were not better than what he had before - it was just who they could get. And with this, basically a brand-new team they had a poor start of the season (shocker!). Cardiff owner sacked him in September for a poor start of the season, without giving him a chance to put together the team with 9 new players in it.

Bottomline: he walked into a crap situation, with the team that wasn’t good enough for EPL and wasn’t given time or players to turn things around. Doesn’t mean Ole is a crap manager, means the situation was crap.

Surprising how the factual reality is drastically different from an Ole-hating, warped perspective, isn’t it?

 

[romufc]

Oh the agenda is strong with this one. Funnily enough though, Pelligrini managed to win the league. My point was that we have gone for four poor appointments. The only one I personally wanted was Mourinho but really he should have come straight after Fergie.

So when Liverpool realised that Rodgers wasn't up to the task, what did they do? Appoint Klopp. When Mourinho went full metal jacket, who was Chelsea's next permanent manager? Conte. When Pellegrini was deemed not good enough, what did City do? Hire Guardiola. Funny that every one of those managers then brought some form of success. We have now got rid of Mourino and downgraded with Ole.

And yeah, I mentioned Emery, Arteta too but who cares about Arsenal really? As for Lampard? Well he's there less time than Ole and ahead of us in the league.

So haven't Manutd done the same? When Moyes, LVG and Jose were not up to the task, they were sacked.

Having tried different approaches, it is quite clear there was a problem with the playing staff. Ole is here for the long term future of the club.

Will he win us the league? No.

Will he build the foundations for the next manager to win the league? Potentially.

Although we are thin as a squad, I rather go into the summer making additions where necessary than having a big squad and thinking which ones we should keep and gamble on.

That was done this season, it is clear that the manager cannot get the best out of players, AM9 is not a ST, Lingard, Perreira are not top 10 standard, Luke Shaw is a liability fitness wise, Dan James is a squad player.

We will go into the summer with clarity I hope. We need to get negotiating now for a CM, RW, ST, CDM.

 

[Robbie Boy]

So haven't Manutd done the same? When Moyes, LVG and Jose were not up to the task, they were sacked.

Having tried different approaches, it is quite clear there was a problem with the playing staff. Ole is here for the long term future of the club.

Will he win us the league? No.

Will he build the foundations for the next manager to win the league? Potentially.

Although we are thin as a squad, I rather go into the summer making additions where necessary than having a big squad and thinking which ones we should keep and gamble on.

That was done this season, it is clear that the manager cannot get the best out of players, AM9 is not a ST, Lingard, Perreira are not top 10 standard, Luke Shaw is a liability fitness wise, Dan James is a squad player.

We will go into the summer with clarity I hope. We need to get negotiating now for a CM, RW, ST, CDM.

Well no, we haven't done the same at all. Klopp and Guardiola are a certain type of manager. They are modern, progressive managers who bring a whole new set of methods to not only the first team, but throughout all the age groups of clubs they manage. They completely revolutionise clubs they manage at, which is why when Klopp left, they had a lull, but managed to get back to being a very good side. That is what laying foundations is, similar to what Guardiola done at Barcelona.

We are now on manager number four and bar Mourinho, we have made stupid choices with Moyes and Ole being the worst. Why is it that other clubs can learn from their mistakes and go and hire world class coaches, where we seem totally incapable of doing so. The likes of Rose and Naglesmann are two coaches who I believe could revive us from the dead; will we get either? Nope, of course we won't, because it would make too much sense. We simply won't and seem totally incapable of learning from our mistakes. I'm also not sure what foundations Ole is laying.

 

[romufc]

Well no, we haven't done the same at all. Klopp and Guardiola are a certain type of manager. They are modern, progressive managers who bring a whole new set of methods to not only the first team, but throughout all the age groups of clubs they manage. They completely change clubs they manage at which is why when Klopp left, they had a lull, but managed to get back to being a very good side. That is what laying foundations is, similar to what Guardiola done at Barcelona.

We are now on manager number four and bar Mourinho, we have made stupid choices with Moyes and Ole being the worst. Why is it that other clubs can learn from their mistakes and go and hire world class coaches, where we seem totally incapable of doing so. The likes of Rose and Naglesmann are two coaches who I believe could revive us from the dead; will we get either? Nope, of course we won't, because it would make too much sense. We simply won't and seem totally incapable of learning from our mistakes. I'm also not sure what foundations Ole is laying.

Using Liverpool as an example is not very ideal is it? They took 30 years to get the appointment right if you are using since Fergie as an excuse.

What foundations did Guardiola lay at Barcelona? They were in the CL semi final the year before he joined, they have the greatest ever player to play.

What foundations did he lay at Bayern? Joined a treble winning team left without getting into CL final

I agree that the board is incompetent and will not be able to hire those choices. However; who is to say if Ole got sacked now Nagglesman would want to join United when he is in the middle of a title race? at a club where they waited a year to get him?

 

[James Ward]

Ole did a good job clearing out some dead wood and buying quality players but he is not the manager to move us forward. We should be already interviewing his replacement to see if their vision fits with the clubs vision and the majority of our current players(can’t rebuild year after year). We need a manager who’s vision is transferred onto the pitch for which we can make judgements against. No more speaking of the future without concrete evidence we are on the right path. Quality attacking football with a solid foundation at the back and the ability to change tactics on the fly.

What deadwood did he get rid of exactly? Instead of convincing Lukaku to stay he let him leave and did not sign another striker. He is guaranteed to get you at least 15 premier league goals a season. If we signed a better striker in the Summer then would have been fine letting him go but Lukaku is much better than Martial. A lot better.

He let Sanchez go to Inter Milan on loan while we are still paying over half his wages. Could badly do with him now. Played very well his last match for Inter. He is better than James.

Ashley Young was 34 and was right in leaving him go.

Rojo is only gone out on loan and we are still paying his wages.

Smalling is still out on loan and playing well for Roma. He is much better than Phil the plank Jones.

Andreas and JLINGZ are still regulars in the side.

The side is much worse than what it was last season.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Using Liverpool as an example is not very ideal is it? They took 30 years to get the appointment right if you are using since Fergie as an excuse.

What foundations did Guardiola lay at Barcelona? They were in the CL semi final the year before he joined, they have the greatest ever player to play.

What foundations did he lay at Bayern? Joined a treble winning team left without getting into CL final

I agree that the board is incompetent and will not be able to hire those choices. However; who is to say if Ole got sacked now Nagglesman would want to join United when he is in the middle of a title race? at a club where they waited a year to get him?

What foundations did Guardiona lay at Barcelona? Wow. Think you may have to ask Barcelona fans there. I never said he did so at Bayern, in fact his spell there wasn't all too amazing. I'm specifically talking about post Fergie, which I would have thought was obvious. So under their new owners Liverpool went from Dalglish to Rodgers to Klopp. All three were more progressive than the former. City went from Mancini to Pellegrini to Guardiola. Meh Mancini to Pellegrini wasn't great but Pellegrini to Guardiola was infinite progress.

You're twisting words here, I never said Naglesmann would move mid season? My point - if you read again - was that we have no had four managers with very little, if any, progress from one to the next. LvG to Mourinho looked great at first but ultimately it was very meh. But Mourinho to Ole is taking steps back whereas our two main historically rivals have gone from strength to strength post-Fergie.

Ole was a bloody hideous choice and I sincerely hope he goes at the end of the season and we finally make a logical appointment.

 

[romufc]

What foundations did Guardiona lay at Barcelona? Wow. Think you may have to ask Barcelona fans there. I never said he did so at Bayern, in fact his spell there wasn't all too amazing. I'm specifically talking about post Fergie, which I would have thought was obvious. So under their new owners Liverpool went from Dalglish to Rodgers to Klopp. All three were more progressive than the former. City went from Mancini to Pellegrini to Guardiola. Meh Mancini to Pellegrini wasn't great but Pellegrini to Guardiola was infinite progress.

You're twisting words here, I never said Naglesmann would move mid season? My point - if you read again - was that we have no had four managers with very little, if any, progress from one to the next. LvG to Mourinho looked great at first but ultimately it was very meh. But Mourinho to Ole is taking steps back whereas our two main historically rivals have gone from strength to strength post-Fergie.

Yes, ask the Barca fans and they would say it is Cruyff who laid the foundations, Pep without a doubt is a brilliant manager but has only one style of play and he had Messi at Barca. Do you think any of Pep's successors would have been appointed by any other top club? yet they keep winning trophies, this happens when you have the greatest ever player.

Moyes - LVG was progress but it didnt work out, LVG - Jose was meant to be progress but didnt work out. Do you see the trend here? on paper it looks like progress but hasnt worked out. Ole came in and with the same squad done well, then was appointed manager a bit too soon.

I agree he is not a progressive manager but, I can appreciate the work he is putting in which we will be better for in terms of recruiting the right type of player.

The problem is that last year, there was no manager available who you would say, yeah he is progressive?

 

[Roboc7]

So haven't Manutd done the same? When Moyes, LVG and Jose were not up to the task, they were sacked.

Having tried different approaches, it is quite clear there was a problem with the playing staff. Ole is here for the long term future of the club.

Will he win us the league? No.

Will he build the foundations for the next manager to win the league? Potentially.

Although we are thin as a squad, I rather go into the summer making additions where necessary than having a big squad and thinking which ones we should keep and gamble on.

That was done this season, it is clear that the manager cannot get the best out of players, AM9 is not a ST, Lingard, Perreira are not top 10 standard, Luke Shaw is a liability fitness wise, Dan James is a squad player.

We will go into the summer with clarity I hope. We need to get negotiating now for a CM, RW, ST, CDM.

What is the logic in allowing a much worse manager who wants to play counter attacking football to lay foundations?. How does that help another manager win the title?.

How much money is he going to have to spend, he’s spent 200m to make us worse, nearly half of what Klopp has spent in total at Liverpool.

How is it benefitting the club to miss out on Champions League and all the revenue. Be less appealing to potential new signings and move further and further away from all the other top clubs.

Ole isn’t a new approach he’s just a manager who had a good caretaker spell so got the job. He’s not laying any foundations just doing what any other manager would do, buy and sell a few players.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Yes, ask the Barca fans and they would say it is Cruyff who laid the foundations, Pep without a doubt is a brilliant manager but has only one style of play and he had Messi at Barca. Do you think any of Pep's successors would have been appointed by any other top club? yet they keep winning trophies, this happens when you have the greatest ever player.

Moyes - LVG was progress but it didnt work out, LVG - Jose was meant to be progress but didnt work out. Do you see the trend here? on paper it looks like progress but hasnt worked out. Ole came in and with the same squad done well, then was appointed manager a bit too soon.

I agree he is not a progressive manager but, I can appreciate the work he is putting in which we will be better for in terms of recruiting the right type of player.

The problem is that last year, there was no manager available who you would say, yeah he is progressive?

You do realise that Pep personally brought through several players that contributed to that golden era. He also developed a certain style of football that was also adopted by the national side. So yes, he laid foundations, to say otherwise is extreme ignorance or revisionism. The work done by Cruyff was brilliant but Pep clearly tweaked it. Anyway, for a totally different thread.

Moyes was a dreadful choice, utterly dreadful so yeah, anyone looked like progress. But when you really look at it, we could and should have gotten far better than LvG. The only one on paper that looked like progress was LvG to Mourinho which didn't work out for various reasons. But Mourinho to Ole? Like what the actual feck. This is a massive backwards step.

Unfortunately I'm not at the club to appoint managers but by now, yes the Board should have gotten a progressive manager in. I mean Liverpool and City managed to do it. Is a certain Poch not available? I mean he's fecking light years ahead of Ole. All Ole is doing is taking us further backwards, there's no foundations and he has no business being here. We're a massive laughing stock.

 

[NJM78]

I for one cannot wait for this nightmare to be over.

I can see many more defeats this season so maybe it will before May but I'm sure it will definitely be when the season ends.

There is no other option.

 

[James Ward]

Lets look at the team and see what's needs fixing. I don't think OLE is the right man for the job as he should be doing better than what he's currently got. If we are going to be battling for the league i think this is what needs changing.

Full backs - Truly awful going forward and not freeing up any space on the wings for players to move into. How often do they put the ball in the box compared to Liverpool's full backs. Two proper attacking full backs needed.

Midfield - I think the midfield should be fine with Pogba, Bruno and Fred with Scott as backup.

Forwards - The only forward we have worth starting is Rashford. Martial is not good enough and that is why France are not picking him, James is not good enough. Greenwood will be a world class player.

Out of everything this is what I think if we sign a LB RB CF and RW we will be battling for the title again.

GK De Gea LB (New Player) CB (Maguire) CB (Victor) RB (New Player) CM (Bruno, Paul, Fred) AML (Rashford) CF RW (New Players)

 

[romufc]

What is the logic in allowing a much worse manager who wants to play counter attacking football to lay foundations?. How does that help another manager win the title?.

How much money is he going to have to spend, he’s spent 200m to make us worse, nearly half of what Klopp has spent in total at Liverpool.

How is it benefitting the club to miss out on Champions League and all the revenue. Be less appealing to potential new signings and move further and further away from all the other top clubs.

Ole isn’t a new approach he’s just a manager who had a good caretaker spell so got the job. He’s not laying any foundations just doing what any other manager would do, buy and sell a few players.

So Ole is to blame for that? How about Jose, LVG spending all that money and barely any of them are left at this club?

At least with Ole's signings you know that Magure, AWB, Fernandes could be here for 5 years minimum.

Yeah he has spent half of what Klopp has, who has been in the job for 5 years. Liverpool missed out CL in Klopps first season when he was laying foundations.

It is a good comparison considering the £50m signing has only played 1 game.

I am sorry but no one is guaranteed success, Jose spend what Pep and Klopp have spent and he couldnt even get a team to get a title challenge, unless you call 16/17 a challenge.

 

[Robbie Boy]

So Ole is to blame for that? How about Jose, LVG spending all that money and barely any of them are left at this club?

At least with Ole's signings you know that Magure, AWB, Fernandes could be here for 5 years minimum.

Yeah he has spent half of what Klopp has, who has been in the job for 5 years. Liverpool missed out CL in Klopps first season when he was laying foundations.

It is a good comparison considering the £50m signing has only played 1 game.

I am sorry but no one is guaranteed success, Jose spend what Pep and Klopp have spent and he couldnt even get a team to get a title challenge, unless you call 16/17 a challenge.

At last. So you're agreeing we have made shitty appointments and all have recklessly spent money with no plan in place. Ole is no different.

 

[romufc]

Is a certain Poch not available? I mean he's fecking light years ahead of Ole. All Ole is doing is taking us further backwards, there's no foundations and he has no business being here. We're a massive laughing stock.

Good point you mention here, I have always said If Poch is available I will happily sack Ole and get him in. However; look at how many fans that will support this idea. Have a look on Pochetino thread and you'll realise alot of fans don't want him.

So they dont want Ole, no Poch, who is availabe and will come to United.

Names like Tuchel, Nagglesman thrown around like they would come to united, I dont even think Tuchel is all that a manager.

 

[romufc]

At last. So you're agreeing we have made shitty appointments and all have recklessly spent money with no plan in place. Ole is no different.

Yes, I agree we have made shitty appointments and spent recklessly. I am not a fan of the reactive approach that we have taken.

It is time to be proactive, which means we need to identify the manager and targets before sacking Ole.

It's not Ole's fault he got given the job, at the end of the day he is making a huge salary in his dream job. Why would he want to leave?

The club have to make the decision.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Good point you mention here, I have always said If Poch is available I will happily sack Ole and get him in. However; look at how many fans that will support this idea. Have a look on Pochetino thread and you'll realise alot of fans don't want him.

So they dont want Ole, no Poch, who is availabe and will come to United.

Names like Tuchel, Nagglesman thrown around like they would come to united, I dont even think Tuchel is all that a manager.

Nah, I don't fancy Tuchel whatsoever. Well if anyone doesn't want Poch and they're happy to keep Ole, then they are bat shit crazy. I love Poch, but something tells me it may not work out for him here. However, I would certainly rather try him than keep on a manager who's totally and utterly out of his depth.

 

[Roboc7]

So Ole is to blame for that? How about Jose, LVG spending all that money and barely any of them are left at this club?

At least with Ole's signings you know that Magure, AWB, Fernandes could be here for 5 years minimum.

Yeah he has spent half of what Klopp has, who has been in the job for 5 years. Liverpool missed out CL in Klopps first season when he was laying foundations.

It is a good comparison considering the £50m signing has only played 1 game.

I am sorry but no one is guaranteed success, Jose spend what Pep and Klopp have spent and he couldnt even get a team to get a title challenge, unless you call 16/17 a challenge.

By that logic Ole also missed out his first season and probably will in his second, Klop’s first full season they actually finished 4th. I know that’s not a comparison people like to admit but it is factually correct.

There’s no guarantee any of those players will be here in 5 years, and one is the most expensive defender of all time. I wouldnt start with the Jose comparisons either (there isn’t anyone Ole co pares well to) compared to Ole’s performance that 16/17 season doesn’t look anything like as bad as a lot thought at the time.

No one guarantees success so you just settle for a much worse manager and pretend he’s laying foundations which people just throw out without even knowing what it means. What decent manager follows Ole and wants to play, train or coach the same way.

 

[romufc]

Nah, I don't fancy Tuchel whatsoever. Well if anyone doesn't want Poch and they're happy to keep Ole, then they are bat shit crazy. I love Poch, but something tells me it may not work out for him here. However, I would certainly rather try him than keep on a manager who's totally and utterly out of his depth.

The reason Ole is still in the job, there is no one else available. If we get Poch now, we have to pay a fee to Spurs.
I would rather have Poch lined up for the summer, tell him to go work up his targets and act like a club who knows what we want.

If it doesn't work out, tough, we move on.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Yes, I agree we have made shitty appointments and spent recklessly. I am not a fan of the reactive approach that we have taken.

It is time to be proactive, which means we need to identify the manager and targets before sacking Ole.

It's not Ole's fault he got given the job, at the end of the day he is making a huge salary in his dream job. Why would he want to leave?

The club have to make the decision.

We had that chance after Mourinho, that was my point. Other clubs learned from mistakes but clearly we didn't. When we sacked Mourinho, there was all this talk of hiring an interim and appointing a DoF who would be in place before a new manager was appointed. Then came Ole as an interim and things were looking good. There was no rush to make him manager especially as results and playing style had massively regressed before he was appointed on a full time basis. No DoF came along and guess what, we didn't learn from our mistakes and gave the job to a manager who is nowhere near up to the task. That time between Jose being sacked and the following summer was genuinely our chance to get in a DoF and plan a new structure for the club with a progressive manager taking the hot seat and having a summer to bring players in and have a pre-season under their belt. We well and truly fecked it up with the sentimental appointment of Ole.

Unfortunately we now have to undo that mistake. Ole is here until the summer I would imagine, but I really hope the club are working behind the scenes to secure a manager and DoF, they most likely aren't but here's to hoping. I mean Ole was a tragic appointment, he really was. Yeah legend as a player but I will erase his managerial spell from my head once he leaves. It's not too late for this club to cop on and I really hope they realise this.

 

[romufc]

By that logic Ole also missed out his first season and probably will in his second, Klop’s first full season they actually finished 4th. I know that’s not a comparison people like to admit but it is factually correct.

There’s no guarantee any of those players will be here in 5 years, and one is the most expensive defender of all time. I wouldnt start with the Jose comparisons either (there isn’t anyone Ole co pares well to) compared to Ole’s performance that 16/17 season doesn’t look anything like as bad as a lot thought at the time.

No one guarantees success so you just settle for a much worse manager and pretend he’s laying foundations which people just throw out without even knowing what it means. What decent manager follows Ole and wants to play, train or coach the same way.

Words like most expensive defender at all times means F all, because sooner or later that fee will be broken. Don't act too smart, buying a player is about demand and how much a buying / selling club values a players worth.

We had that chance after Mourinho, that was my point. Other clubs learned from mistakes but clearly we didn't. When we sacked Mourinho, there was all this talk of hiring an interim and appointing a DoF who would be in place before a new manager was appointed. Then came Ole as an interim and things were looking good. There was no rush to make him manager especially as results and playing style had massively regressed before he was appointed on a full time basis. No DoF came along and guess what, we didn't learn from our mistakes and gave the job to a manager who is nowhere near up to the task. That time between Jose being sacked and the following summer was genuinely our chance to get in a DoF and plan a new structure for the club with a progressive manager taking the hot seat and having a summer to bring players in and have a pre-season under their belt. We well and truly fecked it up with the sentimental appointment of Ole.

Unfortunately we now have to undo that mistake. Ole is here until the summer I would imagine, but I really hope the club are working behind the scenes to secure a manager and DoF, they most likely aren't but here's to hoping. I mean Ole was a tragic appointment, he really was. Yeah legend as a player but I will erase his managerial spell from my head once he leaves. It's not too late for this club to cop on and I really hope they realise this.

Ofcourse it was. Ole should only ever have been in charge till end of last season.

So are we agreeing that it isn't Ole's fault and the root of the problem lays with the management, structure of the club.

Ole would never say no to a permanent contract. No manager in his position ever would.

The club need to stop being sentimental and make hard decisions once in a while. Thanks Ole you steadied the ship but we want someone with somewhat pedigree.

Guess what we are still no closer to appointing a DoF because Ole wants control of signings. What kind of shit show are we running here?

 

[romufc]

By that logic Ole also missed out his first season and probably will in his second, Klop’s first full season they actually finished 4th. I know that’s not a comparison people like to admit but it is factually correct.

There’s no guarantee any of those players will be here in 5 years, and one is the most expensive defender of all time. I wouldnt start with the Jose comparisons either (there isn’t anyone Ole co pares well to) compared to Ole’s performance that 16/17 season doesn’t look anything like as bad as a lot thought at the time.

No one guarantees success so you just settle for a much worse manager and pretend he’s laying foundations which people just throw out without even knowing what it means. What decent manager follows Ole and wants to play, train or coach the same way.

Words like most expensive defender at all times means F all, because sooner or later that fee will be broken. Don't act too smart, what was the point in highlighting that?

By foundations, I mean he has got rid of deadwood that should have gone years ago, identifying players that will value the club and play for the badge, players that have something to prove.

Even under so much negative mood, the players have a high morale, they still positive in comparison to previous managers.

The new coach may want to play a different style, but I tell you what, Maguire, AWB, McT, Bruno, Rashford, Greenwood, Williams will still be a part of them managers teams.

 

[Robbie Boy]

So are we agreeing that it isn't Ole's fault and the root of the problem lays with the management, structure of the club.

Ole would never say no to a permanent contract. No manager in his position ever would.

The club need to stop being sentimental and make hard decisions once in a while. Thanks Ole you steadied the ship but we want someone with somewhat pedigree.

Guess what we are still no closer to appointing a DoF because Ole wants control of signings. What kind of shit show are we running here?

We all know that structurally the club is a shambles. That doesn't mean that a better manager wouldn't get far more out of these players. I'm sick of the excuses made for Ole such as he hasn't been backed or [insert random name of average PL here] have a better squad than us.

It's Ole's fault we look fecking clueless on the pitch despite regularly fielding a better starting eleven than our opponents, yes. It's his fault he is a poor manager. That's on him. It's not his fault he accepted a contract, no. But sorry, yes I lay plenty of the blame on this shit show of a season at Ole's door. Other managers have worked with difficult owners and still managed to adapt a style of football and have players playing above the sum of their parts. The fact that he seems to have zero tactical nous and no in-game management is squarely at his door. He's a terrible manager and a better manager would get far more out of this squad.

 

[Roboc7]

Words like most expensive defender at all times means F all, because sooner or later that fee will be broken. Don't act too smart, what was the point in highlighting that?

By foundations, I mean he has got rid of deadwood that should have gone years ago, identifying players that will value the club and play for the badge, players that have something to prove.

Even under so much negative mood, the players have a high morale, they still positive in comparison to previous managers.

The new coach may want to play a different style, but I tell you what, Maguire, AWB, McT, Bruno, Rashford, Greenwood, Williams will still be a part of them managers teams.

It’s factually correct though he’s the most expensive of all time and he’s far from infallible. Another manager might easily want a different type of defender. Don’t act too offended just because you don’t like something. You can’t dispute facts because you don’t like them or bend them like you did with Klopp to suit argument.

What a great culture, happy to lose at home to City because they played a strong 11, pleased to draw at home to a team that’s kept 5 clean sheets because they are hard to break down. What a reboot and great platform for any successor.

So foundations is just getting rid of few players that were deadwood (and keeping others). Basically what any manager has and would do, (but performing worse club has in decades in the process) spreading a David Moyes type culture and playing a style that will only help another defensive manager.

The best thing Ole is doing for his successor is being so bad it will be tough to do worse.

 

[romufc]

We all know that structurally the club is a shambles. That doesn't mean that a better manager wouldn't get far more out of these players. I'm sick of the excuses made for Ole such as he hasn't been backed or [insert random name of average PL here] have a better squad than us.

It's Ole's fault we look fecking clueless on the pitch despite regularly fielding a better starting eleven than our opponents, yes. It's his fault he is a poor manager. That's on him. It's not his fault he accepted a contract, no. But sorry, yes I lay plenty of the blame on this shit show of a season at Ole's door. Other managers have worked with difficult owners and still managed to adapt a style of football and have players playing above the sum of their parts. The fact that he seems to have zero tactical nous and no in-game management is squarely at his door. He's a terrible manager and a better manager would get far more out of this squad.

I agree that he is to blame for certain aspects. I too am frustrated that Lingard starts, Perreira starts and they seem to be rewarded with poor performances. Greenwood doesnt get a look in when we have no striker in the box saying he is too young. Guess what there is a striker at the ripe age of 19 in Germany that is playing week in week out. There is a RW in Germany ripping the Bundesliga at 18.
As long as all the match day fans are singing his name, he will remain deluded that the fans are behind him.

 

[romufc]

It’s factually correct though he’s the most expensive of all time and he’s far from infallible. Another manager might easily want a different type of defender. Don’t act too offended just because you don’t like something. You can’t dispute facts because you don’t like them or bend them like you did with Klopp to suit argument.

What a great culture, happy to lose at home to City because they played a strong 11, pleased to draw at home to a team that’s kept 5 clean sheets because they are hard to break down. What a reboot and great platform for any successor.

So foundations is just getting rid of few players that were deadwood (and keeping others). Basically what any manager has and would do, (but performing worse club has in decades in the process) spreading a David Moyes type culture and playing a style that will only help another defensive manager.

The best thing Ole is doing for his successor is being so bad it will be tough to do worse.

I am not offended because I did not pay out the £80m on the defender. How did I bend Klopps facts? you didnt present anything to bend.

Well, I couldn't give a feck about the League cup.

So did Jose get rid of deadwood? He bought deadwood instead in Lukaku, Bailly, Lindelof, Mikhi.

You are so very good at pointing problems, so who would you have as manager if we sacked Ole now?

 

[Siorac]

The best thing Ole is doing for his successor is being so bad it will be tough to do worse.

We've been constantly lowering expectations for quite a while now. Soon enough avoiding relegation will be seen as a positive.

 

[Roboc7]

I am not offended because I did not pay out the £80m on the defender. How did I bend Klopps facts? you didnt present anything to bend.

Well, I couldn't give a feck about the League cup.

So did Jose get rid of deadwood? He bought deadwood instead in Lukaku, Bailly, Lindelof, Mikhi.

You are so very good at pointing problems, so who would you have as manager if we sacked Ole now?

You don’t think Jose sold anyone who wasn’t good enough?. Might want to look into that.

 

[Alabaster Codify7]

I agree that he is to blame for certain aspects. I too am frustrated that Lingard starts, Perreira starts and they seem to be rewarded with poor performances. Greenwood doesnt get a look in when we have no striker in the box saying he is too young. Guess what there is a striker at the ripe age of 19 in Germany that is playing week in week out. There is a RW in Germany ripping the Bundesliga at 18.
As long as all the match day fans are singing his name, he will remain deluded that the fans are behind him.

And the board will remain deluded into thinking the fans are happy with our situation under Ole. Our match-going fans are harming this club as much as the manager is.

It doesn't matter though. All of this blind support of Ole will be for nothing once the sponsors make that dreaded call to Woodward, and demand action. Ole's head will roll into the same basket as those who went before him, the only difference will be he'll have a vacant grin plastered on it instead of a grimace.

 

[Roboc7]

We've been constantly lowering expectations for quite a while now. Soon enough avoiding relegation will be seen as a positive.

And now people are pleased the players are happy despite being massively overpaid and sat 7th in the table. That’s a great foundation apparently.

 

[Greck]

And the board will remain deluded into thinking the fans are happy with our situation under Ole. Our match-going fans are harming this club as much as the manager is.

It doesn't matter though. All of this blind support of Ole will be for nothing once the sponsors make that dreaded call to Woodward, and demand action. Ole's head will roll into the same basket as those who went before him, the only difference will be he'll have a vacant grin plastered on it instead of a grimace.

No manager has seen more support from matchgoers than Jose and his fanboys used it as proof he was going nowhere. See how that ended.

 

[Robbie Boy]

I agree that he is to blame for certain aspects. I too am frustrated that Lingard starts, Perreira starts and they seem to be rewarded with poor performances. Greenwood doesnt get a look in when we have no striker in the box saying he is too young. Guess what there is a striker at the ripe age of 19 in Germany that is playing week in week out. There is a RW in Germany ripping the Bundesliga at 18.
As long as all the match day fans are singing his name, he will remain deluded that the fans are behind him.

Unfortunately, as long as this happens, the Board and Ed are also being given a free pass. I get this whole 'wanting to be better fans' thing, but the cold hard reality is that the Fergie era was a truly special time and now we need to realise, that we are no better than any other fans. Booing managers and players - not saying it's right - is common practice across the world for football fans who want their feelings known. I have no doubt that plenty singing his name in OT know full well he's not the right man but feel they have this debt to act a certain way at the ground.

 

[Massive Spanner]

I find it genuinely hilarious to see people who are still "Ole-in" constantly make comparisons to Klopp, the best manager currently in world football who won the CL last season and is likely to get a record PL points total this season, as if it's something that will possibly help your argument by doing so, when in reality it's possibly the most dumb thing you can do. At least if you're going to try defend Ole as the right man for the job, do so with some actual tangible comparisons.

But fine, I look forward to our 4th place finish this season, getting to the CL final next season, 97 points the season after and winning the CL, and being unbeaten the season after that!

 

[Robbie Boy]

I find it genuinely hilarious to see people who are still "Ole-in" constantly make comparisons to Klopp, the best manager currently in world football who won the CL last season and is likely to get a record PL points total this season, as if it's something that will possibly help your argument by doing so, when in reality it's possibly the most dumb thing you can do. At least if you're going to try defend Ole as the right man for the job, do so with some actual tangible comparisons.

But fine, I look forward to our 4th place finish this season, getting to the CL final next season, 97 points the season after, and being unbeaten the season after that!

I mean, I have no idea how these comparisons came about but feck me, they are beyond insane. Let's compare a billionaires bank balance with that of an average Joe, because both y'know have money in their accounts. It doesn't matter that one has significantly more than the other. Literally the only comparison is that they work in same profession.

 

[Massive Spanner]

I mean, I have no idea how these comparisons came about but feck me, they are beyond insane. Let's compare a billionaires bank balance with that of an average Joe, because both y'know have money in their accounts. It doesn't matter that one has significantly more than the other. Literally the only comparison is that they work in same profession.

All we need now are comparisons to the greatest manager of all time because he also struggled early on in his Utd career.

Oh no wait, people have already done that.

 

[Roboc7]

I find it genuinely hilarious to see people who are still "Ole-in" constantly make comparisons to Klopp, the best manager currently in world football who won the CL last season and is likely to get a record PL points total this season, as if it's something that will possibly help your argument by doing so, when in reality it's possibly the most dumb thing you can do. At least if you're going to try defend Ole as the right man for the job, do so with some actual tangible comparisons.

But fine, I look forward to our 4th place finish this season, getting to the CL final next season, 97 points the season after and winning the CL, and being unbeaten the season after that!

It’s amazing, there isn’t a worse comparison you could make and yet it’s often used as a defence for Ole. I think Ole has already lost pretty much as many and maybe even more league games than Klopp but still doesn’t deter people.

 

[romufc]

You don’t think Jose sold anyone who wasn’t good enough?. Might want to look into that.

In his 3 years, he got rid of Blind, Mikhi, Janujaz, Perreira, Zlatan, Rooney, Depay, Shneiderlin.

Ole has got rid of smalling, Rojo, Fellaini, Young, Lukaku, Darmian, Valencia, Sanchez all in one year, not 3.

Out of those, 6 were starting players for Jose.

He had also come in to a club where Jose ruined the Morale of majority of our players.

 

[romufc]

Unfortunately, as long as this happens, the Board and Ed are also being given a free pass. I get this whole 'wanting to be better fans' thing, but the cold hard reality is that the Fergie era was a truly special time and now we need to realise, that we are no better than any other fans. Booing managers and players - not saying it's right - is common practice across the world for football fans who want their feelings known. I have no doubt that plenty singing his name in OT know full well he's not the right man but feel they have this debt to act a certain way at the ground.

Exactly, we can be the good fans but then we face the consequences of being soft. I am not saying BOO him in every game but come on, 0-0, 0-2 in the last few games, just shows we are condoning those results.

 

[Roboc7]

In his 3 years, he got rid of Blind, Mikhi, Janujaz, Perreira, Zlatan, Rooney, Depay, Shneiderlin.

Ole has got rid of smalling, Rojo, Fellaini, Young, Lukaku, Darmian, Valencia, Sanchez all in one year, not 3.

Out of those, 6 were starting players for Jose.

He had also come in to a club where Jose ruined the Morale of majority of our players.

So Jose did get rid of deadwood, it’s almost like any manager we could appoint would be likely to come in and want to change some of the players.

And that morale improved as soon as Jose left and Ole still can’t do as well as a toxic squad.

 

[NewGlory]

The delusion from the ole in is remarkable. They’ll lie to defend him and then accuse you of lying. Take this muppetry of a response that I received recently after I said Ole took over a Cardiff side that was not in one of the relegation positions spent money in the winter window and still got relegated:

Muppetry is a dictionary definition of when you pretend that a January position right above the relegation zone, one point above it, is any different than the relegation zone itself. That one point makes zero practical difference! It's the same thing and anybody who has eyes can see it.

I didn't follow fecking Cardiff years ago (still don't) so I didn't know they did clean-up both in the winter and also in the summer, I thought you meant the summer one. Congratulations - you got me! But if you think replacing 7 players in a winter window is somehow a good thing and helps stabilize a team - then you really need to check your own muppetry.

Bottomline, my main point was that Cardiff was a shambles of a team and the relegation wasn't just on Ole. None of what you said disproves that. If you have to change 7 players in a winter window you are shit and it is not going to help short-term because nobody can build a team that quickly. Ironically, even their owner understood that since they did not fire Ole after relegation. They fired him in September, when they had to do another, summer clean-out, and "shockingly" didn't start the season well, so they panicked.

Anyway, you have an agenda to call Ole idiot and are just collecting evidence for it. I have no interest being any part of it so - good luck, and - ignored, from now on.