Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

[tomaldinho1]

I think Ole's signings have been goodish, but playing him up to this wizard in the transfer market is a bit much. Everybody knew who Maguire was, Mourinho wanted him last season. We payed a world record fee for him and for that kind of money he's not that good. AWB was also a obvious signing for RB and we payed also somewhat a world record fee for RB. James was cheap punt and looks like it. Bruno was also a obvious target. So basicly Ole is at United where we have funds to pay obviously well known good players. I think anyone on the Caf following football or people playing FM would know who these players are. We've payed huge fees for good but not world class players.

I was trying to make this point to someone else, that Ole's signings are literally just textbook United signings, and that he's being protected by the myth of their being a rebuild. Think of all our managers post SAF, the only one you could conceivably argue had to really change things was LVG given the pretty radical new style of football he brought him him. He still got CL football first season.

 

[ReddBalls]

I raised this the other day about Ole.

Last season he blamed fitness.
Earlier on he blamed youth / young players = incosistency
In Jan he blamed mental tiredness.
V Chelsea he said it takes time to get back in the rythmn
Now he is blaming the ball and pitch...

We have seen this theme with crap managers, blame the tools.

Ruben Neves hit a brilliant Volley, the ball seemed fine.

Yep, only crap managers blame the tools.

Another Liverpool stumble – another Jurgen Klopp excuse.The German manager is rapidly becoming known for his blame game rather than his excellent coaching.
https://talksport.com/football/486487/wind-referee-jurgen-klopp-excuses-liverpool-snow-wind-pitch/#
West Ham United 1-1 Liverpool: ‘Rhythm breaking referee’
Liverpool 0-1 Southampton (0-2 agg): ‘Too windy’
Liverpool 2-3 West Brom: ‘TV broadcasters cut the game short’
West Brom 2-2 Liverpool: ‘Pitch too dry’
Wolves 2-1 Liverpool: ‘Too windy, again’
Liverpool 1-1 Leicester: ‘Too snowy’

These are some highlights. When United drew them at Old Trafford last season he blamed United's in-game injuries, as it disrupted the flow of the game.

Read in depth here: https://talksport.com/football/486487/wind-referee-jurgen-klopp-excuses-liverpool-snow-wind-pitch/

 

[romufc]

Yep, only crap managers blame the tools.

I would like to see the dates he said that. Klopp has had success and implemented a a way of playing which the fans and players have bought into.

Ole has implemented a book of excuses. Perform badly, get a start in the next game.

It was clear to see yesterday that Lingard was struggling, yet he played 90 mins.

The team looked out or shape, ideas and yet when was the first sub made?

 

[ReddBalls]

I would like to see the dates he said that. Klopp has had success and implemented a a way of playing which the fans and players have bought into.

Ole has implemented a book of excuses. Perform badly, get a start in the next game.

It was clear to see yesterday that Lingard was struggling, yet he played 90 mins.

The team looked out or shape, ideas and yet when was the first sub made?

The link to the article is in my post.

 

[Rafaeldagold]

I just feel like a decent manager would have us in 3rd now- just frustrating that some of the board/fan base can’t see this & push for us to be as good as our potential is

 

[passing-wind]

If lack of tactics can beat Chelsea and City away, Spurs, Leicester, and be the only team to take points off Liverpool, sign me up.

What do we have to show for it ? Wolves have had a fantastic record against the top six since promotion to the league what do they have to show for it ? Results against strong opposition mean absolutely nothing if it adds no substance to our season. LVG also had a good record against the top four when he was sacked it means absolutely nothing if there's no consistency.

 

[passing-wind]

Yes, lets be more like Norwich and Leeds. Sorry, why stop there? Let’s be like Coventry, Cheltenham.

Yes, we are better and play better then those teams. So, time to move on.

That's a bold face lie aside Norwich, Leeds and Sheffield play a much more expansive level of football compared to us.

 

[ash_86]

I'm happy that even staunch Ole out supporters are recognizing that we've had been good in the transfer window. This is really important for us especially at the stage we're in to bring in strong mentality players with quality come in and make a difference. Whether Ole sticks around for next season or not we have a much better group of players with right mentality to chose from if we continue the same way.

 

[Gasolin]

I disagree. What we need to be doing is winning and making inroads into the champions league every season, generating wealth, reinvesting in the squad and acquiring more fans worldwide.

No disagreement there but to go there we need to kick out all players with strange wages if they do not contribute.

 

[Bilbo]

I can't see him adding himself to that list of managers who have unilaterally resigned from a professional football club because they felt they weren't up to the job.

Said list:

There is one. Keegan as England manager.

 

[Sad Chris]

"We didn't want to pay the release clause" is a face saving attempt. It's not like his release clause was 200m.

I wonder how many of those 24 goals are scored by Rashford. The one kid He ran into the ground.

I suggest a break from this thread. You‘re replying to things that you haven‘t understood or perhaps just misunderstood. I don‘t think you are helping your agenda.

Either way, it’s understandable to get caught up in a rant in this thread. No offense.

 

[Relevated]

I think Ole's signings have been goodish, but playing him up to this wizard in the transfer market is a bit much. Everybody knew who Maguire was, Mourinho wanted him last season. We payed a world record fee for him and for that kind of money he's not that good. AWB was also a obvious signing for RB and we payed also somewhat a world record fee for RB. James was cheap punt and looks like it. Bruno was also a obvious target. So basicly Ole is at United where we have funds to pay obviously well known good players. I think anyone on the Caf following football or people playing FM would know who these players are. We've payed huge fees for good but not world class players.

Look, you can say that for every footballer out there. It's not possible at all that he will discover a gem that nobody knows about because everyone knows every good footballer nowadays, pretty much. It's the age of social media.

 

[90 + 5min]

That's a bold face lie aside Norwich, Leeds and Sheffield play a much more expansive level of football compared to us.

I don’t really know if you are serious or joking now. I know that lot of people hate Solskjaer for not being a ”big, fancy” manager but when people come up with that kind of talk I don’t know what to say anymore. Are people that full of hate towards him that they would just about write anything, just to show their hatered.

 

[tenpoless]

I suggest a break from this thread. You‘re replying to things that you haven‘t understood or perhaps just misunderstood. I don‘t think you are helping your agenda.

Either way, it’s understandable to get caught up in a rant in this thread. No offense.

There's no agenda. Thanks. I'm just very concerned about the way things are going right now. Might have misread a few posts.

 

[TheGame]

That's a bold face lie aside Norwich, Leeds and Sheffield play a much more expansive level of football compared to us.

Yes Norwich certiainly do, so expansive they are bottom.

 

[passing-wind]

Yes Norwich certiainly do, so expansive they are bottom.

Maybe you should learn to read English before posting on forums.

 

[TRUERED89]

"We didn't want to pay the release clause" is a face saving attempt. It's not like his release clause was 200m.

What?? If his release clause was £200m we'd be delighted, that no team could snap him up on the cheap at our expense. The fact his release clause was only £50m and would kick in 12 months later when he clearly is a huge talent was the problem. £120-150m player could walk for only £50m is why Mino was told to feck right off!

Think you're getting mixed up here, he didn't have a release clause, Mino fecking Raiola wanted one in the new contract, a ridiculously low one.

 

[tenpoless]

What?? If his release clause was £200m we'd be delighted, that no team could snap him up on the cheap at our expense. The fact his release clause was only £50m and would kick in 12 months later when he clearly is a huge talent was the problem. £120-150m player could walk for only £50m is why Mino was told to feck right off!

Think you're getting mixed up here, he didn't have a release clause, Mino fecking Raiola wanted one in the new contract, a ridiculously low one.

Yes I did. My mistake. I got it mixed up. Haaland is my nightmare.

 

[ReddBalls]

That's a bold face lie aside Norwich, Leeds and Sheffield play a much more expansive level of football compared to us.

You watch all their games?

 

[passing-wind]

You watch all their games?

I've certainly watched enough to digress their teams identity, there's been no secret regarding Wilders tactical influence with Sheffield and Leeds playing progression is no suprise given Bielsa is the lead in charge.

 

[ReddBalls]

Look, you can say that for every footballer out there. It's not possible at all that he will discover a gem that nobody knows about because everyone knows every good footballer nowadays, pretty much. It's the age of social media.

I really can't fathom why people think that recruitment is about finding people nobody has heard of either. The point is getting the people that complements and elevates the people you already have.

 

[ReddBalls]

I've certainly watched enough to digress their teams identity, there's been no secret regarding Wilders tactical influence with Sheffield and Leeds playing progression is no suprise given Bielsa is the lead in charge.

I haven't seen much of either. I usually only watch United games, som highlights and a "big" game now and then. I might be wrong, but I assume that's a pretty normal viewing pattern for most fans.

I've only seen Norwich playing twice this season. They were absolutely crap in both games and they let in a total of seven goals in those games. If the other two teams are as "expansive" as them, I prefer United.

 

[Snuffkin]

When you talk about players attitude and fighting and all that, the first person he sold was our biggest fighter, Fellaini.

I must admit throwing fellaini on could have rescued those points against the lower teams. His transfer was symbolic rather than anything else.

 

[Foxbatt]

I must admit throwing fellaini on could have rescued those points against the lower teams. His transfer was symbolic rather than anything else.

This is where I have another problem with Ole. He is not looking to win games. He is looking for popularity. A good CEO or a football manager should look to win games and at the same time change the style. If Belgium can play with Fellaini why not United? Imagine Lingard being sold instead of Fellaini and for sure we would have won some more points and we could have been in the 4th spot. Lingard did feck all this season.

 

[USREDEVIL]

Before I was of the mindset that if we make top 4 or win the Europa League that Ole deserves another year. But now, with the tactics we've seen over the last year, very defensive, 5 at the back, no creativity in attack really, can't break down the "low block" or whatever, he really does not deserve it either way. This is not the way forward. The question, as with the players we buy and put on the pitch is, "is this the best manager we can get?" The answer is clearly no.

 

[90 + 5min]

This is where I have another problem with Ole. He is not looking to win games. He is looking for popularity. A good CEO or a football manager should look to win games and at the same time change the style. If Belgium can play with Fellaini why not United? Imagine Lingard being sold instead of Fellaini and for sure we would have won some more points and we could have been in the 4th spot. Lingard did feck all this season.

Come on now guys. Now he doesn't want to win games and only looking for popularity? It is like lot of you are trying the best to compete who can come up with more wierd accusations. Looking for next thing that people bring up in some hope to discredit our manager even more.

Solskjaer changes styles frequently. Depending on opposition. If it is right or not that is different question but saying he doesn't change is wrong. 3-4-2-1, 4-3-3, 4-2-3-1 and so on. It is only numbers but you can se changes before games and in the games. Not that hard actually.

Belgium haven't played Fellaini in almost 2 year. Something to consider before writing that he is playing. He might get called up but he hasn't played for almost 2 years. I would have not sold him, but coming with some fake facts (that he is playing) is not helping your case.

 

[Foxbatt]

Come on now guys. Now he doesn't want to win games and only looking for popularity? It is like lot of you are trying the best to compete who can come up with more wierd accusations. Looking for next thing that people bring up in some hope to discredit our manager even more.

Solskjaer changes styles frequently. Depending on opposition. If it is right or not that is different question but saying he doesn't change is wrong. 3-4-2-1, 4-3-3, 4-2-3-1 and so on. It is only numbers but you can se changes before games and in the games. Not that hard actually.

Belgium haven't played Fellaini in almost 2 year. Something to consider before writing that he is playing. He might get called up but he hasn't played for almost 2 years. I would have not sold him, but coming with some fake facts (that he is playing) is not helping your case.

Obviously Belgium have not played him because he has retired from International football. Anyone with any sense would have kept him at least for the time being while getting rid of much more useless players. He played for Belgium in the WC and was very instrumental in getting them to the semi finals. If Belgium had used him in the WC why not Manchester United who has a much worse midfield than Belgium? Are you telling me that Lingard and Mata and Periera are better or more effective than Fellaini?

 

[TheGame]

Maybe you should learn to read English before posting on forums.

Maybe you should just think before posting utter nonsense.

 

[Gasolin]

Obviously Belgium have not played him because he has retired from International football. Anyone with any sense would have kept him at least for the time being while getting rid of much more useless players. He played for Belgium in the WC and was very instrumental in getting them to the semi finals. If Belgium had used him in the WC why not Manchester United who has a much worse midfield than Belgium? Are you telling me that Lingard and Mata and Periera are better or more effective than Fellaini?

Kept him for what? You want to try to cross without aim?!? What am I reading here? Fellaini is everything wrong with that kind of football, and we are not going for that kind of football, full stop. At least have the decency to admit that we aim for better football than that.

Lingard regressed, but that was not expected. Mata is a technical player, yes, he is not the kind of player like Fellaini and can be more effective in a game, it all depends of the game. Pereira, despite his shortfalls, is still better than Fellaini technically speaking so yes. With Fellaini, our football would not have sustained. We aim to have players like Pogba or Bruno, not Fellaini. Thank you very much.

Or maybe a simpler question: who is the Fellaini equivalent at Liverpool, City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, Leicester, Barcelona, Real, Inter, Juventus, Bayern, even PSG?!? Please tell me who is that guy. And then wonder, if we don't have any equivalence, why would we need him?

 

[90 + 5min]

Obviously Belgium have not played him because he has retired from International football. Anyone with any sense would have kept him at least for the time being while getting rid of much more useless players. He played for Belgium in the WC and was very instrumental in getting them to the semi finals. If Belgium had used him in the WC why not Manchester United who has a much worse midfield than Belgium? Are you telling me that Lingard and Mata and Periera are better or more effective than Fellaini?

If you read again then you will see that I said I would not have sold him because he could give us something we don’t have. That is big presence in the box.

I also said he didn’t play for Belgium for almost two years.

They are ”better” players but less effective. That is why I should have kept Fellaini.

 

[Irwin99]

The list of mistakes he is doing is just getting longer and longer. From recruiting, to training, to tactics, to what he actually says.... You just think that Woodward and the Glazers hope it will be summer soon and then just hope for the best.

That actually seem as though it's been the plan all year. It really feels as though this season has just been one long fumble in the dark. I'm not denying that there are some things Ole/the board have done right but so much of it is bumbling along and hoping for the best possible outcome. From the 'Chong, Gomes and Greenwood are going to be promoted to the first team, hence why we didn't buy anyone else in the summer', to only going in to the season with three strikers (one of which is an 18 year old), and then over-playing a clearly injured Rashford, releasing Lukaku because he didn't want to be here (but keeping Pogba in the same situation). By the sounds of things we practically put a bid in for every other striker in the world before settling on Igalho. It's just been crazy.

 

[Escobar]

That actually seem as though it's been the plan all year. It really feels as though this season has just been one long fumble in the dark. I'm not denying that there are some things Ole/the board have done right but so much of it is bumbling along and hoping for the best possible outcome. From the 'Chong, Gomes and Greenwood are going to be promoted to the first team, hence why we didn't buy anyone else in the summer', to only going in to the season with three strikers (one of which is an 18 year old), and then over-playing a clearly injured Rashford, releasing Lukaku because he didn't want to be here (but keeping Pogba in the same situation). By the sounds of things we practically put a bid in for every other striker in the world before settling on Igalho. It's just been crazy.

We’re run by a manager and CEO who have no clue how things work, this is why we’re always reactive

 

[Kurton]

What proper football? They are last. Can’t defend and are on way going down? Is that what Solskjaer would be doing to get some credit? Or at least so that he don’t get blame for everything and anything.

I can't believe how thick these ole inners are. I do not want to sound condescending but how stupid can a post be. Are you suggesting if we play a more attractive style of football, that we are going to get relegated? That quality of our squad is equal or worse than Norwich? that with the quality of players we have that they will stop producing individual moments of brilliance to win us games because that is how we are scoring goals now? Have you considered that if we play better football, we might actually create more chances and perhaps score more goals than what we see like as if these players are playing together for the first time? I mentioned Liverpool in my post in that they also play good football, why did you not write about that? If we play like Liverpool do you think we'd be 1st then? or does that not fit your agenda that you only want to fixate on Norwich?

 

[90 + 5min]

I can't believe how thick these ole inners are. I do not want to sound condescending but how stupid can a post be. Are you suggesting if we play a more attractive style of football, that we are going to get relegated? That quality of our squad is equal or worse than Norwich? that with the quality of players we have that they will stop producing individual moments of brilliance to win us games because that is how we are scoring goals now? Have you considered that if we play better football, we might actually create more chances and perhaps score more goals than what we see like as if these players are playing together for the first time? I mentioned Liverpool in my post in that they also play good football, why did you not write about that? If we play like Liverpool do you think we'd be 1st then? or does that not fit your agenda that you only want to fixate on Norwich?

What on earth are you talking about? I answered to posters saying that teams like Norwich and Leeds play proper football and that we don’t. I asked if that is what we should be aiming at? To be in relegation and championship so people would be pleased but playing like Norwich and Leeds.

Can you show me where I mentioned that if we play more attractive football we would get relegated? We have some problems, otherwise we wouldn’t be in this position but there is lot of stuff behind it.

Why should I comment on something that is right? Liverpool are better than us and play better football. I don’t know what is point with that.

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

I can't believe how thick these ole inners are. I do not want to sound condescending but how stupid can a post be. Are you suggesting if we play a more attractive style of football, that we are going to get relegated? That quality of our squad is equal or worse than Norwich? that with the quality of players we have that they will stop producing individual moments of brilliance to win us games because that is how we are scoring goals now? Have you considered that if we play better football, we might actually create more chances and perhaps score more goals than what we see like as if these players are playing together for the first time? I mentioned Liverpool in my post in that they also play good football, why did you not write about that? If we play like Liverpool do you think we'd be 1st then? or does that not fit your agenda that you only want to fixate on Norwich?

The fixation with Norwich is clearly an agenda. It came when I mentioned that there are teams that play better football/more structured and organized football than us even with lesser quality of players. The examples I gave touched on different positions on the table. I mentioned both Borrusia Monchengladbach and Leeds who are chasing their respective league titles while playing good football. I mentioned Sheffield who are chasing top 4 with us. And Norwich who are currently last. Somehow they all discarded the other clubs I mentioned and focused on Norwich. Maybe I should have used Southampton instead of Norwich. Even fecking Southampton plays a more structured football than us with lesser quality players.

 

[Bilbo]

I can't believe how thick these ole inners are. I do not want to sound condescending but how stupid can a post be. Are you suggesting if we play a more attractive style of football, that we are going to get relegated? That quality of our squad is equal or worse than Norwich? that with the quality of players we have that they will stop producing individual moments of brilliance to win us games because that is how we are scoring goals now? Have you considered that if we play better football, we might actually create more chances and perhaps score more goals than what we see like as if these players are playing together for the first time? I mentioned Liverpool in my post in that they also play good football, why did you not write about that? If we play like Liverpool do you think we'd be 1st then? or does that not fit your agenda that you only want to fixate on Norwich?

Probably didn't mention Liverpool because comparisons between them and Klopp are incredibly dull, not relevant anyway, and have been kicked to death on here already

 

[Mainoldo]

I haven't seen much of either. I usually only watch United games, som highlights and a "big" game now and then. I might be wrong, but I assume that's a pretty normal viewing pattern for most fans.

I've only seen Norwich playing twice this season. They were absolutely crap in both games and they let in a total of seven goals in those games. If the other two teams are as "expansive" as them, I prefer United.

As a neutral I can clearly say United and Burnley are the worst teams to watch in the league.

To say you prefer United just means you prefer to be in our position and not in a relegation battle.

 

[Bilbo]

The fixation with Norwich is clearly an agenda. It came when I mentioned that there are teams that play better football/more structured and organized football than us even with lesser quality of players. The examples I gave touched on different positions on the table. I mentioned both Borrusia Monchengladbach and Leeds who are chasing their respective league titles while playing good football. I mentioned Sheffield who are chasing top 4 with us. And Norwich who are currently last. Somehow they all discarded the other clubs I mentioned and focused on Norwich. Maybe I should have used Southampton instead of Norwich. Even fecking Southampton plays a more structured football than us with lesser quality players.

Of course people would focus on Norwich. You're arguing that we should be playing football like the team bottom of the table are doing. It's there to be shot at.

Your point is clear. You think that all of these other teams play with some instantly recognisable formation and tactic, and United field XI blokes who just chase the ball around the pitch. Its bollocks, and you admitted yourself that you hardly watch any of those teams so you are just recycling opinions you may have read somewhere else.

 

[Bilbo]

As a neutral I can clearly say United and Burnley are the worst teams to watch in the league.

To say you prefer United just means you prefer to be in our position and not in a relegation battle.

What a ridiculous post

 

[Mainoldo]

What a ridiculous post

I’m sure it is to you. You can’t see long ball football through your rose tinted Ole glasses. Enjoyed another entertaining showing from us on Thursday did you?