why was De Gea not dropped by Ole for woeful form that resulted in the club missing a UCL place - @passing-wind

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He made a mistake to day taking to long to kick out... it cost us

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He made several outstanding saves after that to keep us in the game. in decline my arse. Still a top class shot stopper And all round great keeper.
He's definitely not an "all round" great keeper. His distribution is shocking, he doesn't save penalties, he is no help on set pieces or crosses and he has had about two dozen terrible errors for club and country in the last three seasons.
Shot stopping is his biggest strength but like people have mentioned, those reflexes will regress and he will be left with feck all in his locker. He's definitely not a goalkeeper we should build with, not with Dean Henderson on the books. Still a great keeper but I would like to see Romero get a run of six games to see how we do with balls in to our box.
 

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I’m just baffled there are still people here who rate him. People equal fancy dramatic saves with great goalkeeping. Great goalkeepers most often don’t even have to make those saves.

For a top goalkeeper he is too soft mentally and physically, he has mediocre football intelligence and distribution, and zero attitude and agression. He’s been one of the worst goalkeepers in the league this and last season and it’s no hyperbole. We would be playing UCL currently if Ole benched him for Romero a year ago.
 

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I’m just baffled there are still people here who rate him. People equal fancy dramatic saves with great goalkeeping. Great goalkeepers most often don’t even have to make those saves.

For a top goalkeeper he is too soft mentally and physically, he has mediocre football intelligence and distribution, and zero attitude and agression. He’s been one of the worst goalkeepers in the league this and last season and it’s no hyperbole. We would be playing UCL currently if Ole benched him for Romero a year ago.
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You seem confused. In football the goalie’s job is to stop shots from scoring goals.
You seem to be living in the past. Goalkeepers have to a lot more than shot stopping. It’s commanding the area, claiming crosses, distributing the ball in a faster way. None of those are traits of De Gea. When does he ever come off his line? How often do the defence berate him for sticking to his line on a game to game basis?

When a primarily shot stopping goalkeeper makes the most mistakes in a season, then it’s time to have a look at what else he brings to the table and it’s not a lot is it?

I think we forget that a goalkeeper being a good shot stopper shouldn’t be wowed at. Because every goalkeeper is a good shot stopper; if they weren’t they’d be playing outfield. Has there been a goalkeeper who wasn’t a good shot stopper?
 

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He is soo poor in every aspect of goal keeping except shot stopping that he is now a liability. It's all well and good being able to make saves but if you can't dominate your area, anticipate through balls, put any confidence in your defenders, make silly unforced errors or provide any valuable distribution then in the modern game then I'd rather have a keeper with average shot stopping but good to great of the rest.
 

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I think his best days are behind him, he is a great servant but has nothing else to his game besides shot stopping. It is kind of strange that a goalie can be so good with his feet and also so bad. I am so glad that Henderson is waiting in the wings as we will get his best years. Romero is a liability, too many people are fooled because he keeps clean sheets but he is always playing in cup competitions against weaker opposition. He still is the best back up goalie in the game.
 

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You seem to be living in the past. Goalkeepers have to a lot more than shot stopping. It’s commanding the area, claiming crosses, distributing the ball in a faster way. None of those are traits of De Gea. When does he ever come off his line? How often do the defence berate him for sticking to his line on a game to game basis?

When a primarily shot stopping goalkeeper makes the most mistakes in a season, then it’s time to have a look at what else he brings to the table and it’s not a lot is it?

I think we forget that a goalkeeper being a good shot stopper shouldn’t be wowed at. Because every goalkeeper is a good shot stopper; if they weren’t they’d be playing outfield. Has there been a goalkeeper who wasn’t a good shot stopper?
I agree with you fully, it also seems that he is regressing to when he started and couldnt handle balls in the air. In more games you start to notice that the opposition is putting players on him to disrupt him and he is not fully comfortable with it. He is still a good goal keeper but when you watch Ederson you think to yourself this guy has it all, so why should we expect less?
 

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He is soo poor in every aspect of goal keeping except shot stopping that he is now a liability. It's all well and good being able to make saves but if you can't dominate your area, anticipate through balls, put any confidence in your defenders, make silly unforced errors or provide any valuable distribution then in the modern game then I'd rather have a keeper with average shot stopping but good to great of the rest.
I feel people are bit blinkered when it comes to De Gea. He made a good save when CL was played through, nothing exceptional or outstanding with it. As far as top keepers go, you expect most of them to make that save. During LvG and Jose's first year De Gea was inhuman and made about 2-3 ridiculous saves each game it seemed, but it has somehow made people think that every single shot De Gea stops is some fantastic save and that few other GK's would be able to handle it

That bolded part in particular is a huge problem. He NEVER comes of his line on corners unless the ball falls down into his lap, and it makes it possible for the other team to hit their corners in a very dangerous area. This is turn is a big reason why we have conceded so many goals from corners this year
 

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he isn't as good as he used to be, but are we really 100% sure Henderson is good enough to be our first choice?
 

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Ahhh DDG fumbles one yesterday and all of a sudden Henderson is considered a replacement? What about the other experienced GK Romero, argentinian guy, plays in our EL/Cup games, remember him?

In any case, DDG is world-class and it will take more that just caftards opinions to change that. All people can have an unlucky day, 1 cm up and the ball would have never hit the everton striker, wake the feck up. Frustration yes because we wanted to get closer to Chelsea, but without DDG's saves we would have been trailing by a larger deficit against Everton, so start appreciating the players we have or feck off from the forum.
 

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Ahhh DDG fumbles one yesterday and all of a sudden Henderson is considered a replacement? What about the other experienced GK Romero, argentinian guy, plays in our EL/Cup games, remember him?

In any case, DDG is world-class and it will take more that just caftards opinions to change that. All people can have an unlucky day, 1 cm up and the ball would have never hit the everton striker, wake the feck up. Frustration yes because we wanted to get closer to Chelsea, but without DDG's saves we would have been trailing by a larger deficit against Everton, so start appreciating the players we have or feck off from the forum.
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Why? Desperation, foolishness, recklessness - take yer pick.

The logical choice would have been not to extend his contract given the nature of the situation. We had a first rate shot stopper who, going into his thirties now, had shown no signs of improving the areas of a goal keeper's game that will keep him in the "world class" bracket beyond a certain point (that is, beyond the point where his exceptional shot stopping ability outweighs his other deficiencies) - and we made him the best paid player in his position in the world (by far).

It's Woodward era decision making par excellence, what else can you say?

The bottom line is this: you don't pay a goal keeper Messi level wages (for his position) unless he's an extreme asset, someone who is undeniably the best in the game in pretty much every relevant sense. De Gea obviously isn't that.

Sure - he's become a target now, a space goat and all that, inevitable really. And an isolated feck-up (Everton) means nothing - any reasonable fan knows this. But Dave has not developed his game - he has multiple glaring weaknesses as a top level keeper: that isn't some sort of illusion promoted by agenda driven "haters", it's objectively true. Can he address these weaknesses? Anything's possible. Is it likely that he will? Oh, dunno about that.
 

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Ahhh DDG fumbles one yesterday and all of a sudden Henderson is considered a replacement? What about the other experienced GK Romero, argentinian guy, plays in our EL/Cup games, remember him?

In any case, DDG is world-class and it will take more that just caftards opinions to change that. All people can have an unlucky day, 1 cm up and the ball would have never hit the everton striker, wake the feck up. Frustration yes because we wanted to get closer to Chelsea, but without DDG's saves we would have been trailing by a larger deficit against Everton, so start appreciating the players we have or feck off from the forum.
It isn't just one though to be fair, he's made a few howlers this season - he's top of the league for mistakes to leading to goals. There's some stats knocking about showing the difference between the 2 of them, in terms of saves and contribution etc which shows Henderson higher than DDG
 

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I remember the thread about his contract situation at the time, there weren't many fans calling for us not to get him signed up to a new contract. The majority were certainly of the opinion we should pay him what he wanted to get it done.

Had we not got the contract signed, the fans would have been in absolute uproar and at the time, rightly so.
 

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It isn't just one though to be fair, he's made a few howlers this season - he's top of the league for mistakes to leading to goals. There's some stats knocking about showing the difference between the 2 of them, in terms of saves and contribution etc which shows Henderson higher than DDG
Yes he did but it doesnt take away anything from him to start talking about replacing him and questioning why we renewed his contract. This is a world-class goalkeeper and here in this forum we are ready to swap him for a young GK who is having his first PL season just because he's from the Youth team. I would love to see Henderson take over at some point but definitely not next season, one good season at PL (so far) and a Championship experience is not enough to take DDG's place, not even Romero's place at the moment.
 

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Ahhh DDG fumbles one yesterday and all of a sudden Henderson is considered a replacement? What about the other experienced GK Romero, argentinian guy, plays in our EL/Cup games, remember him?

In any case, DDG is world-class and it will take more that just caftards opinions to change that. All people can have an unlucky day, 1 cm up and the ball would have never hit the everton striker, wake the feck up. Frustration yes because we wanted to get closer to Chelsea, but without DDG's saves we would have been trailing by a larger deficit against Everton, so start appreciating the players we have or feck off from the forum.
Have a cup of tea mate! you say without DDG saves we would be trailing by a larger deficit, so let dissect your assertion. What is DDG's job? You make as if his shot stopping is a gift to us. Its his job and he gets paid quite a penny to do his job. He gets paid this pretty penny on the basis of this not because of his personality, we can crit anybody we want because we expect more its as simple as that.
 

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I remember the thread about his contract situation at the time, there weren't many fans calling for us not to get him signed up to a new contract. The majority were certainly of the opinion we should pay him what he wanted to get it done.

Had we not got the contract signed, the fans would have been in absolute uproar and at the time, rightly so.
Hm, that may have been the majority view - but I seem to remember plenty of people questioning the decision too.

Or at least raising concerns about his development as a player. His weak areas have been noted for years - and the idea that he (clearly) isn't a complete package as a keeper has been out there for a while now, before he started to pull howlers a little too frequently.

And on that note - the howlers aren't overly problematic as such. That could be written off as...anything, really. He wasn't howler prone - as such - before, not inordinately. Someone posted (in numerous threads) a Schmeichel blooper collection yesterday, after Dave's howler, and the Great Dane was more (actually) prone to the odd sheer brain fart than Dave has been so far. No - the problem is, again, that he hasn't added strings to his bow. Schmeichel excelled at numerous aspects of goal keeping - by comparison De Gea is something of a one-trick pony. And when the pony gets old, his one trick becomes harder to pull off - because it has do with athleticism and agility, crucially, not just anticipation (or instinct, even).
 
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He's definitely not an "all round" great keeper. His distribution is shocking, he doesn't save penalties, he is no help on set pieces or crosses and he has had about two dozen terrible errors for club and country in the last three seasons.
Shot stopping is his biggest strength but like people have mentioned, those reflexes will regress and he will be left with feck all in his locker. He's definitely not a goalkeeper we should build with, not with Dean Henderson on the books. Still a great keeper but I would like to see Romero get a run of six games to see how we do with balls in to our box.
I love me some Romero, but he too has had two shocking involvements lately, both against Brugge.
 

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He's definitely not an "all round" great keeper. His distribution is shocking, he doesn't save penalties, he is no help on set pieces or crosses and he has had about two dozen terrible errors for club and country in the last three seasons.
The only really sane post in this thread. The delusion is strong when it comes to DDG.
 

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Have a cup of tea mate! you say without DDG saves we would be trailing by a larger deficit, so let dissect your assertion. What is DDG's job? You make as if his shot stopping is a gift to us. Its his job and he gets paid quite a penny to do his job. He gets paid this pretty penny on the basis of this not because of his personality, we can crit anybody we want because we expect more its as simple as that.
Of course we would be trailing by more when he used to play both defense and GK at the same time? People with short memories here... You talk about this being his job so if he makes a mistake yesterday he should be sold? You expect more? What can a GK do more after that fluke of a goal except keep the scoreline as-is? You want him to take penalties/freekicks to atone for that mistake? It happened, you can criticize as much as you want but at least show some logic and common sense.
 

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We thought at the time he was ‘distracted’ by the contract negotiations, now we’re just ‘hoping’ because he has his money now he’s happy and he’ll get back to his best. Whether that’ll happen is anyone’s guess, because right now he’s so shaky and vulnerable.
 

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Of course we would be trailing by more when he used to play both defense and GK at the same time? People with short memories here... You talk about this being his job so if he makes a mistake yesterday he should be sold? You expect more? What can a GK do more after that fluke of a goal except keep the scoreline as-is? You want him to take penalties/freekicks to atone for that mistake? It happened, you can criticize as much as you want but at least show some logic and common sense.
I never said anything about selling him, get Hendo in give him competition, this of us not having players fighting for positions will be our downfall. Its not a fluke goal its DDG switching off, you make as if its his first mistake go check the stats. He has ample time to clear the ball and ends up looking like a fool. I see we as a club have dropped our standards so much that we are willing to wait for disaster to strike before we react.
 

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Hm, that may have been the majority view - but I seem to remember plenty of people questioning the decision too.

Or at least raising concerns about his development as a player. His weak areas have been noted for years - and the idea that he (clearly) isn't a complete package as a keeper has been out there for a while now, before he started to pull howlers a little too frequently.

And on that note - the howlers aren't overly problematic as such. That could be written off as...anything, really. He wasn't howler prone - as such - before, not inordinately. Someone posted (in numerous threads) a Schmeichel blooper collection yesterday, after Dave's howler, and the Great Dane was more (actually) prone to the odd sheer brain fart than Dave has been so far. No - the problem is, again, that he hasn't added strings to his bow. Schmeichel excelled at numerous aspects of goal keeping - by comparison De Gea is something of a one-trick pony. And when the pony gets old, his one trick becomes harder to pull off - because it has do with athleticism and agility, crucially, not just anticipation (or instinct, even).
I'm not disagreeing with you and i'm not pro-DDG in any way, but it seemed the sensible decision at the time especially with the huge amounts of repair work the squad needed, GK was 1 less thing to deal with.
 

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Let me get the usual accusations out of the way by making clear that this is not a personal vendetta against the player, he seems like a good professional and a decent person, this is purely about about the game of football.
It's not his fault that he's been massively overhyped by our fans and the mainstream media alike.

This mess with De Gea pretty much sums up the club at the moment, anyone with even an ounce of footballing knowledge could see this coming a mile off.
Unfortunately, the most important people in this instance, our board, clearly don't possess that ounce of knowledge.
People are comparing the decision to give De Gea a new contract to the Sanchez saga, in my opinion, this is worse, because nobody could have predicted Sanchez's sudden decline whereas De Gea's decline was far from sudden.
An entire year and a half of horrendous form is not a 'blip'.

I personally have never ever got the hype about the player.
It was a bizarre signing in the first place I thought, it's not as if he was playing really well in Spain, he'd just come off the back of conceding over 53 goals in the league for Atletico Madrid.
"He's not cut out for the physicality of the premier league, no matter how good a shot stopper he is" I thought when I first watched him, hoping I was wrong because I'm no expert.
Based on his first season, I was not wrong unfortunately.

Yes, he improved slightly the second year, but those that think we won the league because of a solid defence that year need to go back and check the stats, because we conceded over 40 league goals.
Luckily we had world class forwards to compensate back then, we don't now, but that weakness is still there and still needs fixing.
To be clear, it's pretty obvious De Gea is not the only problem, we have many others, but we need to stop skipping over the goalkeeping position like it's all sorted because of a new contract, it's not, far from it.

For me, despite being a world class shot stopper (at times) he has always been so under par at the other equally important aspects of goalkeeping to be considered anywhere near the best in the world.
It's actually baffled me for years how many people, including those paid fortunes to analyse the game, constantly overlook these other flaws and proclaim De Gea as one of the greatest ever.
My only conclusion is that we are now living in the 'YouTube clips' generation where most people don't actually sit and watch full games as much.
In these situations, it's easier for a highlight reel of good saves to mask over more technical sides of the game.
Fair enough, people have less time, I don't watch as many games as I used to either, apart from Utd matches, which I always make an effort to watch (as painful as it is right now).
As I said, anyone who knows even a little about the game and regularly watched Utd over the years will surely have noted the amount of goals we have conceded as a direct result of De Gea's inability to come out off his line and command HIS box.
It's not as if the recent goals conceded against Everton and Man City are one offs, this has been happening week in week out since the day he signed for the club, he may as well not be there when a cross comes in.
Another problem for us when it comes to stats etc., is that goals like the ones conceded against City/Everton don't necessarily get recorded as a direct goalkeeping error because you have to look a bit deeper than the clearly obvious recent blunder against Watford, to notice it.
My point being, there has been literally dozens of goals over the years we've conceded like that but yet they don't get recorded as goalkeeping errors.
As I said, when this is factored in, it really is truly baffling to me how De Gea is put up on a pedestal as one of the greatest keepers ever, and our saviour the past decade.

On that note of him being our 'saviour', what did we/he actually achieve in this time?
Is anyone really that bothered about finishing 6th instead of 10th?
So these 4/5 seasons when he was our talisman, our player of the year and saviour (apparantley)
What exactly did we achieve apart from mediocrity?
Is that his level then?
The biggest thing we did do in this era was win the Europa lg (and more importantly claim a champions league place because of it) and he had no part in that at all, Romero played.
Even during the David Moyes era, he let us down at the most crucial moment with a horrific mistake against Sunderland in the league Cup semi final, we were seconds away from the final and he gifted Phil Bardsley an equaliser with an absolute howler.
I personally don't care that much about the league Cup and I'm not for one second suggesting that this was the sole reason David Moyes failed, but still, we would have played Man City in the final and who knows what could have happened.
It certainly would have been a huge moment for David Moyes, having never won a trophy, but De Gea denied him that by bottling it when it mattered.
You can throw in pretty much his entire Spain career as another elite level failure (difference being they had the brains to address the situation).

The last year, under Solskjaer, was the first time in a long time that we were gathering any momentum and doing it by playing good attacking football, but both in the last two games, and last year when our unbeaten run ended at Arsenal, that momentum has been killed as a direct result of poor goalkeeping by De Gea.
Those mistakes were a massive reason we didn't qualify for the champions league last year and are a massive reason we are not just two points behind 4th place Chelsea right now (all momentum to put pressure on them after their blip is completely gone now).
We can't afford another five years of this.

It's now or never for me, if we want to give ourselves the best chance of getting back to where we should be then I'm sorry but De Gea needs to be replaced now.
Obviously realising this in the summer (as many of us did) would have been much better and we would have saved ourselves quite a few quid, but what's done is done, it can't be changed now, we'll just have to take the financial hit, in many ways we deserve it for being so shortsighted.

In reality, I know this isn't going to happen, I can see what's actually going to happen coming a mile off.
We'll stick with him and then the next time he makes even a half decent save, that save will be replayed all over the media as if it's some sort of proof that the doubters/haters were wrong.
Fast forward a few weeks and when it really matters again, hell make another 'uncharacteristic' blunder that 'you just don't see from top keepers like De Gea'.

It's the same cycle that's been happening for ten years.
If indeed, this situation continues and we continue to not even attempt to fix it, then we deserve all the mid-table mediocrity we get.

Happy Christmas fellow Red Devils.
Rinse and repeat, I called this exact scenario back in December, and many more times before that (because it's so grimley predictable).

I think it's an absolute no brainer that we should at least experiment with another first choice keeper but it's not going to happen so long as (a) so many of our fans remain in complete denial about this blindingly obvious issue and (b) more importantly, our manager is constantly failing to see what's right in front of him.

For instance, how can Ole come out and say after the game yesterday that he can only remember De Gea making two mistakes all season, is he even analysing our games then?

I can understand the Fans getting their analysis badly wrong as we all have other things we have to do, but Ole's full time job is to analyse our games and if he genuinely thinks De Gea has only made two mistakes all season then he should be fired for negligence because, as I said, he's clearly not re-watching/analysing our games.
 

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Yes he did but it doesnt take away anything from him to start talking about replacing him and questioning why we renewed his contract. This is a world-class goalkeeper and here in this forum we are ready to swap him for a young GK who is having his first PL season just because he's from the Youth team. I would love to see Henderson take over at some point but definitely not next season, one good season at PL (so far) and a Championship experience is not enough to take DDG's place, not even Romero's place at the moment.
I can see why people are questioning him though, if he's a world-class keeper, to have contributed the highest number of mistakes leading to goals in a season, surely thats a concern? Ignoring Henderson and Romero for now, the frequency with which he makes mistakes is alarming, i dont think anyone can debate that.
 

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Rinse and repeat, I called this exact scenario back in December, and many more times before that (because it's so grimley predictable).

I think it's an absolute no brainer that we should at least experiment with another first choice keeper but it's not going to happen so long as (a) so many of our fans remain in complete denial about this blindingly obvious issue and (b) more importantly, our manager is constantly failing to see what's right in front of him.

For instance, how can Ole come out and say after the game yesterday that he can only remember De Gea making two mistakes all season, is he even analysing our games then?

I can understand the Fans getting their analysis badly wrong as we all have other things we have to do, but Ole's full time job is to analyse our games and if he genuinely thinks De Gea has only made two mistakes all season then he should be fired for negligence because, as I said, he's clearly not re-watching/analysing our games.

I agree with the 1st part, it is well worth looking at - it may even back-fire but even so, its happening with DDG so we've nothing to lose by going with one of the other GK's. Its unlikely though, and not because the management cant see what the fans see.

On the 2nd part, lets not turn it into yet another Ole bashing thread, he's bound to try and deflect, it would be ridiculous to throw him under the bus
 

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People equal fancy dramatic saves with great goalkeeping. Great goalkeepers most often don’t even have to make those saves.
Hmmm, I remember many good saves from VDS and Schmeichel. What exactly can a top goalkeeper to avoid good shots? Certainly not positioning like everyone says about Alisson. No one positions themselves so well they don't have to make a dive. Unless they have the wingspan of a Quetzalcoatlus.
 

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The form he maintained over his player of the season years was absolutely insane. It was the best goalkeeping I have ever seen.

He was never going to be able to maintain that, some of you should look up his highlights to remind yourself how unbelievable he was.

Anyway he is still a great goalkeeper I feel and made some very good saves yesterday but I do accept mistakes have crept into his game and his confidence has taken a hit. Good thing we have another very good goalkeeper returning next season, the competition might be good for him.
 

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I'm not disagreeing with you and i'm not pro-DDG in any way, but it seemed the sensible decision at the time especially with the huge amounts of repair work the squad needed, GK was 1 less thing to deal with.
Yeah, I see where you're coming from - sure.

Just get it signed, avoid further drama (and there would have been drama - added fuel to the "United in crisis" fire in the media, fans going into meltdown and so forth).

The problem is just that...well, we need people at this club who can make the right decisions (even when they're tough, ruthless ones) without worrying too much about how things appear to hysterical fans or the media.

Has to be done (again), sorry: what would Fergie have done? I suspect he'd have factored in the relevant bits and given zero fecks about how letting one of our biggest names go might appear at first glance.
 

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Because if you haven't noticed, we love to give ridiculously high contracts to players that are in the process of underachieving when we offer them.
 

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Ahhh DDG fumbles one yesterday and all of a sudden Henderson is considered a replacement? What about the other experienced GK Romero, argentinian guy, plays in our EL/Cup games, remember him?

In any case, DDG is world-class and it will take more that just caftards opinions to change that. All people can have an unlucky day, 1 cm up and the ball would have never hit the everton striker, wake the feck up. Frustration yes because we wanted to get closer to Chelsea, but without DDG's saves we would have been trailing by a larger deficit against Everton, so start appreciating the players we have or feck off from the forum.

Hahahahaha - who the FECK do you think you are, mate? You really need to calm down today, newsflash - you do not tell people if they can use this forum. The sooner you accept that, the calmer you might become. State on you, lad.
 

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Hahahahaha - who the FECK do you think you are, mate? You really need to calm down today, newsflash - you do not tell people if they can use this forum. The sooner you accept that, the calmer you might become. State on you, lad.
Look, first nobody told anyone how to use the forum, so I suggest you re-read what I wrote really slowly.

There's a thin line between people who are criticizing De Gea's gaff and calling for his head, and people who appreciate that despite going down 1-0 so early, DDG kept us in the game with other top saves until we drew and pressed for a winner. This is a fan;s forum, not glory-hunters who know nothing about the values of the club and are only here to wank when we get a good result, so of course I would be pissed when I see posters just talking shit about probably the only world-class player we have just for the fun of it.

People here think the club was built in 2 seasons. If you don't understand the rebuild process we are currently going through, go support another team. In rebuilds there are tons of ups and downs, from senior players to youth players, but why bring in all the whining over a world-class goalkeeper for a mistake that would not have happened on any other given day, without at least providing proof that he is past it? He made a mistake but 2 goal-preventing saves that kept us in the game.

In any case, the good part is that no matter how many glory-hunters here nag about him, the manager sees his class and the players so all your opinions here wouldn't matter much anyway.
 

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Because he's a top keeper? I wonder if Liverpool fans are saying the same after Alisson spilled a simple collect yesterday?
That was his first mistake in how long? since last season when he spilled it to give Lingard a tap in.. 14 months ago :lol:. De Gea has a brain fart almost every game imo, indirectly way more than 7 this season. The two aren't even remotely comparable.. When he's not fumbling shots or miskicking, he's getting bullied by opponents every freekick/cross/1v1's
 

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That was his first mistake in how long? since last season when he spilled it to give Lingard a tap in.. 14 months ago :lol:. De Gea has a brain fart almost every game imo, indirectly way more than 7 this season. The two aren't even remotely comparable.. When he's not fumbling shots or miskicking, he's getting bullied by opponents every freekick/cross/1v1's
FFS. Sure, whatever.
 

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This just has a worrying similarity to when Moyes gave Rooney that mega deal new contract in 2014.

I can see the argument of giving De Gea the new contract and I'm not saying De Gea is definitely in decline but I felt it was weird to reward a player such a huge contract after how incredibly bad he was last season.
 

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Because people in charge are not knee jerk fans with a short term memory?
 
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