Joe Biden is the Babylon Buju Banton was singing against
2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress
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Biden is the strong favourite now and its just a matter of time before he amasses enough delegates to win the nomination. Next week Biden will get a blowout win in Mississippi & Missouri. If Biden also does well in Michigan then that should seal the nomination for him.
Even if Sanders does unexpectedly well next week, he then has to deal with Florida on March 17 and he will get trounced there. A Florida poll came out today (Biden 61% Sanders 12%).
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You are days away from a major health crisis with a very likely Economic decceleration immediately after, is the "race", as it stands now, accounting for this?
Of course not literally zero, but you know what I mean.
Lets see who Warren endorses.
she's already done the damage by staying through the ST when the centrists were coalescing.
It wouldn’t have mattered much since she barely picked up any delegates anyway.
It won't happen but completely counter intuitively they should have her endorse Bernie and then when Biden inevitably wins the candidacy, select her as his VP with Bernie's full endorsement.
I don't think you can relate her delegate count to the effect of her staying in as she was not viable in many places. If she was not running, Bernie would certainly have larger leads in California and Colorado, and would be closer in Texas, Minnesota and Massachusetts.
the oppsite is true
In what possible Bernie maths have you calculated this!?!?
That is an insane statement. In all likelihood he will be effectively out of the primaries by this time in 2 weeks, although he'll probably drag it out till its official again.
Well, 57 might not be much but it's a tight race as of now. It could have helped i think.
Have a feeling Warren will go with Biden.
I don’t know how much her dropping out early would’ve helped Sanders given that she was polling so poorly towards the end. It’s also a mistake to presume all her supporters would go to Sanders, since she was viewed as a bit closer to the establishment than he was.
What makes you say that ? He might be behind in Florida but the polls show he's ahead in illinois and Ohio as well as Arizona.
The race might be tighter than what you think.
My maths aren't related to Bernie. It's just that I think there is a very high chance that:
- Primaries will be postponed
- The problems with US healthcare, which nearly everyone acknowledges, will be very dramatically exposed in the coming weeks, and this will give a strong boost to Bernie
yeah I'm not saying 90% of Warren supporters would go to Sanders, but a majority would based on second choice polls.
More like Kamala Harris
I feel this wouldn't have changed a thing. Tuesday was a total capitulation for Sanders. He lost and lost baldy as did she
a small note about tone:
a male bernie supporter pointed out that warren voters who choose biden are condemning hi to eath since he has to ration insulin. he was called an incel male privelege case. the fundamental fact of his imepdning death is, of course, not "incivil" or "hostile", he should die quietly.
there are many definitions of tone and civility and if you can't figure out which ones are being amplified here, idk what to tell you.
a male bernie supporter pointed out that warren voters who choose biden are condemning hi to eath since he has to ration insulin. he was called an incel male privelege case. the fundamental fact of his imepdning death is, of course, not "incivil" or "hostile", he should die quietly.
there are many definitions of tone and civility and if you can't figure out which ones are being amplified here, idk what to tell you.
the endorsements coalesced biden's vote very stongly, if something similar happened with warren sanders would have a delegate lead of a couple of hundred, after winning minn, mass, maine, texas, and smashing california.
Polls taken before Supet Tuesday are beyond meaningless at this point. As far I can see there are no recent polls for those states but Michigan which he absolutely needs to do well in and was previously polling well in is now also to polling for Biden.
Biden's surge was nationwide so that will have to disappear in the space of a week, but there's not a great deal that can be done to combat it at the moment. There's no fertile Sanders territory to get the momentum back between now and Tuesday. If he doesn't win and win pretty soundly on Tuesday in all likelihood its all over for him as he'll almost certainly be in for some crushing defeats with the likes of Florida and Georgia coming up. Merely competing in Illinois and Ohio wouldn't be enough. It's possible he manages to wrestle back some iniative but that will be extremely difficult with very limited time to campaign.
You also have to take into account even with his storming results on Super Tuesday Bloomberg has dropped out since and they will almost all go to Biden as well. Warren dropping out might help him a bit but a lot of Warren's support are ex-Clinton voters so the gain from that will probably be minimal, although an endorsement might help.
Essentially the issue for Sanders is there's nowhere really left where he will get a crushing majority (with a decent number of delegates), but there are multiple places where Biden will crush him. The other states the way delegates are split makes it difficult to make up numbers. That's why it was so crucial that Sanders came out of Super Tuesday with a decent lead.
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Also, Bernie voters have been called "bros" for 4 years (by Hillary, Biden, Warren), compared to Nazis and the plague (on MSNBC), unreliable, stupid, unable to do maths, privileged (on social and mainsream media), living in basements (Hillary), people who complain to much (Biden), people who should vote for Trump and whose votes are not needed (Biden), might hurt in a general election if tone is so important. Female and non-white Bernie supporters have been condescended to, told they're bots, told they're fake, told they're traitors (all social media), that they're leftover residue (by Nate Silver), etc.
I think Warren would prefer the treasury secretary job.
Me too
You need to stop making so much sense. Only Bernie supporters are toxic remember?
Surely the DNC can recognise that that’s the absolute worst thing they could possibly do right now?
If that happens they fracture the base hugely and create a left vs centre wedge that will hurt massively in November.
Getting Warren to back Bernie when it’s not going to stop all their other shenanigans in getting Biden in is a much better move in the grand scheme of things
Oh I think it’s inevitable. No way this coordination by the establishment didn’t involve Warren. She was probably promised with something, whether it was VP or some cabinet position.
You sound angry and emotional Bro. This is what we’re talking about.
still struggling to understand the movement of the people stopped by a failed candidate not endorsing the movement leader after just 4 states going to vote. Especially when you consider the Bloomberg split on the centrist gang.
I don’t think it matters that much because the damage has been done.
Your righteous anger is now entering conspiracy theory zip codes
Overall yes, but Warren dropping out could have had enough effect for Bernie in Massachusetts and California.
Politicians making deals with each other is conspiracy theory territory? That’s rather naive.
What shenanigans is the DNC doing?
i explained it to crappy in some detail, regarding how warren's strategy was similar to pete's and amy's, while bloomberg's wasn't, and how those 2 showed loyalty and got results whle she her staying in led to a total reversal.
be careful you sound like a bro, treat this swing voter in a swing state with respect or you never know what might happen! if only bidencels weren't so toxic, we'd happily vote for him!!!
I'm not sure I buy the idea that Warren is somehow in on in this, but it's pretty clear there was a Party push to... well, push the moderate candidates to drop out. Apparently Obama was involved behind the scenes.
Seriously, what was Warren's play in staying through the ST? And I don't, for a second, believe their talk about getting a bit of delegates and then fighting it out at the convention.
I fecking hate democrats
Is it really a huge conspiracy that both did terribly in the primary the day before and had zero chance of doing anything on Super Tuesday so they dropped out and endorsed someone similar to them who could do better? Isn't that just sensible? Now instead of the narrative being about Buttigieg and Klobuchar dropping out after awful Super Tuesdays they get some reflected glory. It's just sensible.
I mean what exactly is the suggestion here, they should drag out their campaign so Bernie can do better? Neither of them had a chance to win, I know that, you know that, they know that. There was no reason for them to stay on. Regardless if Sanders is such a strong candidate why does he need 4 moderates splitting the vote? I just don't understand it.
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