SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

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Serious question: Do you have high blood pressure or do you take medication which results in you having normal blood pressure? I'm the latter but don't know if I still fall into the 'having high blood pressure' camp. Technically I don't, but...
 

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The problem with the US & their for profit healthcare system is that if those that pay for healthcare will expect to get admitted/treated no matter how mild the symptoms are & the doctors/hospitals are happy to do so because they can charge their services.
 

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The problem with the US & their for profit healthcare system is that if those that pay for healthcare will expect to get admitted/treated no matter how mild the symptoms are & the doctors/hospitals are happy to do so because they can charge their services.
It's been the same trend in other countries so i think it now has to be taken at face value that a significant amount of those below 55 will be in hospital with this.

It just reiterates that no one should take this lightly.
 

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Does anyone know of retired doctors or nurses returning to work?

Fairly certain i remember boris saying this way back at the start
 

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What do you make of oneills closing yesteday (strabane) before the chancellor announces the government's help for businesses today?

750 people laid off, temporarily hopefully, but id have hope businesses just waited until today to see if real help comes their way
 

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My missus just went into town, busy as always and full of older women meandering about.

Something has to be done to get them to stay inside and that has to be a police presence.
 

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My missus just went into town, busy as always and full of older women meandering about.

Something has to be done to get them to stay inside and that has to be a police presence.
They're everywhere these old folks, went to the local shops yesterday and it was wall to wall with the retiree aged.
 

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For better and for worse, I can't see Europe accepting this level of government oversight or that such oversight is even possible without an authoritarian state.
One of the key Italy patients, one of the first handful to get and spread it, is 33 and a marathon runner, extremely fit and healthy. Last I heard he was being kept alive by a vent and various HIV drugs.

I think that the most dangerous idea out there is that only the already ill or old are at risk.
Marathon runners are often immuno suppressed, doing that much intensive exercise isn't healthy!
 

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Are you just trawling the internet looking for bad news about the UK and Coronavirus these days?

It is concerning though. This is the kind of chart that I've been wanting to see because new cases is pretty useless.

This could be a reason

Ha, when my timeline is full of happy tweets I promise I'll share them too.

Anyway, in this particular case figured it was bad news for everybody as I had assumed Italy's age profile was the reason for their particularly heavy problem. Yet his next tweet points to a similar issue in Spain as the UK.
 

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What do you make of oneills closing yesteday (strabane) before the chancellor announces the government's help for businesses today?

750 people laid off, temporarily hopefully, but id have hope businesses just waited until today to see if real help comes their way
I heard that last night terrible for the people working there, the must be in dire straits to close the place down without waiting on any help.
Hopefully the government can work something out for them.
 

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Regarding our health service, we actually spend more per capita than a lot of countries, the UK included, which is why it's such a disgrace that our health service is so crap compared to other European countries.
I heard a great radio interview with a researcher about this a while ago. We need to outspend other countries because we were so far behind them for so long. It's not as simple as just spending loads now, or even for a few years. There's decades to catch up on.
 

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I heard that last night terrible for the people working there, the must be in dire straits to close the place down without waiting on any help.
Hopefully the government can work something out for them.
No doubt its awful, but id imagine the government wil not help those that have already took matters into their own hands. Especially after boris said yesterday to stand by your employees and we'll stand by you.
 

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I have walked past my town centre a few times this week whilst out for a walk, keeping a big distance I might add, and the place looks just the same as it did when there was no advice - people having coffees, coming in and out of non important shops like Game and getting food in Subway. Honestly, we need a full lockdown of non essential workers in the UK to happen immediately. Im hoping with Rishi Sunak on with Boris tonight that they will announce something that’ll tie in with help for businesses that MUST now close and some extra SSP for workers
 

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My parent in laws who are 73 and 81, have just had their Tesco delivery cancelled, it was meant to be delivered today. The message said that it was due to “store issues”. They are in the medways are of Kent

So, don’t take it as guaranteed that your supplies will be delivered!
 

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Ha, when my timeline is full of happy tweets I promise I'll share them too.

Anyway, in this particular case figured it was bad news for everybody as I had assumed Italy's age profile was the reason for their particularly heavy problem. Yet his next tweet points to a similar issue in Spain as the UK.
I wonder if all this will make older people take their health more seriously. My mum and dad are both type 2 diabetic and they've always been completely unconcerned about it because they get pills to take. I don't think they even fully realised that it compromises their ability to survive serious illnesses until Covid-19 arrived.
 

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I heard a great radio interview with a researcher about this a while ago. We need to outspend other countries because we were so far behind them for so long. It's not as simple as just spending loads now, or even for a few years. There's decades to catch up on.
Hmm I dunno, not really buying that, I mean it might play a small part but it's not the main reason. The amount of money that's been wasted by the HSE has been shocking. Then you have the Bertie years where they inexplicably centralized the whole thing, absolute disaster that was, and now we are decentralizing it again. And now €2bn for a f*cking 320 bed kids hospital!

We should have a better health service than we do.
 

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No doubt its awful, but id imagine the government wil not help those that have already took matters into their own hands. Especially after boris said yesterday to stand by your employees and we'll stand by you.
Yeah, you can’t see the Tories wanting to help, but maybe Michelle O’Neill can do something especially with the whole GAA aspect involved. I doubt it though
 

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Yeah, you can’t see the Tories wanting to help, but maybe Michelle O’Neill can do something especially with the whole GAA aspect involved. I doubt it though
Trusting michelle or arlene to help anyone is quite funny. They wouldn't agree on the weather.

If michelle wanted money for oneils specifically (which with 750 employees she wouldnt be far wrong) arlene will want money for the orange orders or something silly because they'll miss the 12th parades.
 

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Hmm I dunno, not really buying that, I mean it might play a small part but it's not the main reason. The amount of money that's been wasted by the HSE has been shocking. Then you have the Bertie years where they inexplicably centralized the whole thing, absolute disaster that was, and now we are decentralizing it again. And now €2bn for a f*cking 320 bed kids hospital!

We should have a better health service than we do.
I mean, you can not buy it, but it was literally the results of research of a person who's research topic it was :) I'll see if I can find it for you later.

It's a systemic issue. We're fundamentally decades behind other countries. A friend of ours had a respiratory problem lately in Czechia and she was sent by her GP to a consultant same-day.
 

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I imagine the UK will have a pretty high death rate as we have lots of obesity as well.
We’re a country full of fat, lazy cnuts who drink like crazy, eat like shit and smoke quite a lot too. Wouldn’t surprise me at all if we ended up with the highest fatality rate in Europe.
 

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I mean, you can not buy it, but it was literally the results of research of a person who's research topic it was :) I'll see if I can find it for you later.

It's a systemic issue. We're fundamentally decades behind other countries. A friend of ours had a respiratory problem lately in Czechia and she was sent by her GP to a consultant same-day.
I'm confused as to how they're a good example. They've only been a country since 1993..
 

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Trusting michelle or arlene to help anyone is quite funny. They wouldn't agree on the weather.

If michelle wanted money for oneils specifically (which with 750 employees she wouldnt be far wrong) arlene will want money for the orange orders or something silly because they'll miss the 12th parades.
You can count on that, but the DUP also didn’t get any help with Wright Bus or Harald and Wolf this time so maybe am clutching at straws
 

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Poland is the same then, my partner is from there. This idea of sitting on a waiting list for 18 months is alien to other countries.
Doesn't that prove my point? We were comparable to countries like Poland and Czech Republic in terms of (lack of) wealth for years. if anything we became wealthier earlier than either of them did. I'm struggling to understand what you're saying. Surely a better example would be Italy? A country that has a lower wealth than us now but a far better health system..
 

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Ha, when my timeline is full of happy tweets I promise I'll share them too.

Anyway, in this particular case figured it was bad news for everybody as I had assumed Italy's age profile was the reason for their particularly heavy problem. Yet his next tweet points to a similar issue in Spain as the UK.
I think one factor that may have accelerated things in the UK is that the numbers aren't evenly distributed across the country. London (like Madrid) has a lot of the early cases - in Italy it seemed to be more localised with small towns carrying most of the early cases.