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Would be interested to see how many who actually saw Robson play, will still claim Keane was a better captain. And I am not saying anything bad about Keane (he is number 2 by miles) - but Robson was better
the Premier League started in 1992 - Robson was at the end of his career then. Was the club captain but was not a starter and Bruce was the captain on the pitch. Both lifted the very first PL trophy.Roy Keane won the bbc vote for the best Premier League captain
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51871622
Would be typical if he wins on there loses out on caf (ok its a premier league vote only but still)
I think Robson was the better player, but I think Keane specifically was a better captain of the two, his will to win was massive and was a fulcrum for why we won as much as we did.
People suggesting Irish are specifically backing Keane, but I think that goes the same way with English posters backing Robson, specifically, because, er well he's English.
I take it you didn't watch Keane play for Ireland much?Keane was no Robson. Inferior player, inferior captain. Even when Bruce left it wasn't like he was immediately inserted as captain. We still went through the Cantona period.
Robson was just awe inspiring in everything he did. He could actually Carry the team, Keane couldn't.
There is not much between Robbo and Keane but to say Robson by quite some distance is just ludicrous.Bryan Robson and by quite some distance, if you turned up at the match and found out Robbo wasn't playing it was oh ffs we've got our work cut out today, if Keane was missing, granted in a better team/squad, you were always confident Nicky Butt, or occasionally Phil Neville could do the same job with no obvious drop-off.
And Cantona, a different type of Captain who the Class of 92 wanted/needed to impress, more than him being a shouter and bawler.
How easily we forget!He could actually Carry the team, Keane couldn't.
I never saw Cantona or Robson lead the team...,So for me it just simply has to be Roy Keane....Keane for me but a lot of fans go for Cantona and/or Robson (deservedly)
So, who's your best? (let's ignore the football part of it) and why?
*I'm leaving out Sir Charlton/Byrne/Law since haven't seen much of them myself; feel free to include if you have.
NO. I clearly stated Bruce, Steve Bruce. We won a number of Cups plus the League twice under Robson. Under Bruce, although just 3 seasons, we won the League twice plus a FA. Bruce joined United since 87 so very much a backbone of the successful team, fitting to be the Captain in his final 3 seasons.Do you mean Keane?
Keane was generally a better pro though. Set a towering bar in training and looked after himself much better than Robbo.I saw both at their peak and I would say Robbo shades Keane just a little bit in that he was a better player and led from the front. Plus he does not see the mist that Keane sees. People talk about the CL and Juve and Keane but Robson against Barca and Maradona in the Cup Winners Cup QF was immense. We had to come back from a 2 - 0 deficit to win 3-0 and Robson scored two.
Having seen both, you'd go for Keane? That's a first (for this thread). Undoubtedly Robbo was a better player but there's something about how Keane led the team and set expectations. Maybe it is something to do with that era that utmost professionalism was not a given? Could Keane enforce his own back then? Would he have met with resistance considering the rampant drinking culture? Good questions to ask.I've seen Robbo and Charlton play. Robson was a better player, But Keano was the better captain by miles. Forget about his outcries since leaving this club. When he was here he was Fergie on the pitch. He just let no one give anything less than 110% on the pitch. He was the best captain of the lot.
He was truly fantastic and one of the greatest ever. There is a reason everyone who played against him and played with him swears by him.How easily we forget!
Keane made every player around him better. He played in a great team so didn't have to carry his team every week. But when we were losing or struggling or when the going was tough, then Keane came into his own. Thats when he "carried" his team, drove them on, took games by the scruff of the neck. He set the standards on the field and ensured everyone kept them.
I only saw the end of Robson. Partly due to age but more because there wasn't TV coverage anything like there is now. If he was a better captain than Keane, then he was truly fantastic and one of the greatest ever.
Robson was our version of Stevie G. Just too much injury.Would be interested to see how many who actually saw Robson play, will still claim Keane was a better captain. And I am not saying anything bad about Keane (he is number 2 by miles) - but Robson was better
Apart from the season he was injured and we didn't win anything, and all the times he came back from injury and everyone breathed a sigh of relief when they saw his name on the team sheet, and the fundamental role he played in the treble, and the hole in our midfield against a Bayern side we'd played well against with him present and all the testimonies from his team mates saying all of the above... you're right.It's not total bollocks at all, some of our better performances in Keane's time at the club were when he was actually missing, not many but some, but you could count on the finger of one finger the times you could say the same when Robson was missing.
Well pardon me for having an opinion.There is not much between Robbo and Keane but to say Robson by quite some distance is just ludicrous.
Keane for me due to Robson's unprofessionalism, he was basically an alcoholic for most of his time at united and had he stayed off the booze he probably would have avoided some of those injuries. Keane on the other hand was a great professional and therefore shades it for me.
I guess to be fair to Robson he played in a less professional era but still....
Yeah cos we all boo-ed when Robson returned from his latest lay-off.Apart from the season he was injured and we didn't win anything, and all the times he came back from injury and everyone breathed a sigh of relief when they saw his name on the team sheet, and the fundamental role he played in the treble, and the hole in our midfield against a Bayern side we'd played well against with him present and all the testimonies from his team mates saying all of the above... you're right.
Was born in '77 mate, I know full well how good Robson was. I just think you're massively downplaying Keane's influence over even better players to make your point. Nobody would've taken you to task otherwise.Yeah cos we all boo-ed when Robson returned from his latest lay-off.
You had to be actually there to pick up on it, Final word.
Possibly, but hardened to the forum I was getting my retaliation in first, the amount of posters who wouldn't recognise Robson if he had a dump in their handbag yet accuse me of being anti-Irish for daring to post that he was a better player/Captain than Keane still tickles me.Was born in '77 mate, I know full well how good Robson was. I just think you're massively downplaying Keane's influence over even better players to make your point. Nobody would've taken you to task otherwise.
OKNO. I clearly stated Bruce, Steve Bruce. We won a number of Cups plus the League twice under Robson. Under Bruce, although just 3 seasons, we won the League twice plus a FA. Bruce joined United since 87 so very much a backbone of the successful team, fitting to be the Captain in his final 3 seasons.
That's all very well and good but the debate is who is the better captain, not player so the giggs/best comparison is neither here nor there.Well pardon me for having an opinion.
Robson was a piss-can, he never denied it, but that was the norm, Liverpool's squad could probably have drunk every other squad in the League under the table at the time and it didn't do them any harm.
Ryan Giggs was a great player, George Best was also a great player, yet by quite some distance better than Giggs, it's the same, just an opinion, and again probably shared by those who saw both live and not just going off highlights as in the case of George, but to some sadly it will mean i'm/we are anti-Welsh.
I've heard it all now, Bryan Robson being a piss-can is the main reason apart from the occasional Cup win we won feck all ....That's all very well and good but the debate is who is the better captain, not player so the giggs/best comparison is neither here nor there.
In my view the ongoing boozing had a significant impact on his injury record which in turn impacted on uniteds trophy haul in the 80s. Keane gave up the boozing around age 25 and became a better more mature player and captain as a result. Robson for whatever reason couldnt do that.
Anyway I think its perfectly acceptable for one to argue that Robbo was the better captain but to say he was by quite some distance is nonsense. Keane led us to trophy after trophy, Robbo and his drinking buddies led us nowhere in the end unfortunately.