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De Gea is one of the best goalkeepers the club has had you mad bugger.Thinking of recent United players: David De Gea
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De Gea is one of the best goalkeepers the club has had you mad bugger.Thinking of recent United players: David De Gea
Chris Smalling
Fred
Never bought into the "best in the world" hype. Best in the world and he can't handle a cross?De Gea is one of the best goalkeepers the club has had you mad bugger.
Wow wow now, Dave for a period of three years was the best in the world.Never bought into the "best in the world" hype. Best in the world and he can't handle a cross?
Have you visited Barnard Castle recently?Never bought into the "best in the world" hype. Best in the world and he can't handle a cross?
Just how wrong can you be?The most overrated player of all time was Beckham. One of the few manc players I liked, but who doesn’t like Beckham. He was responsible for bringing millions of fans to love the sport and was a great player but overrated. Great crosser of the ball, great vision and good free kicks. Not fast and couldn’t beat a man or defend. Yet he is known to be the most overrated player ever to play the game.
Still doesn't make him one of or even the best, he is lacking in so many things that make a goalie great.Wow wow now, Dave for a period of three years was the best in the world.
During that period he made almost zero mistakes, carried the team almost single handedly during some feckin dark times on the pitch.
If you think De Gea is one of the most overrated players you know literally nothing about football.Still doesn't make him one of or even the best, he is lacking in so many things that make a goalie great.
I know that, for me, DDG would never make a greatest Man United team ahead of VdS or Schmikes. They are far better all-round goalies than DdG. Foe me, for a goalie to be great, he has to be all round great not just a wonderful shot stopper.If you think De Gea is one of the most overrated players you know literally nothing about football.
You can’t say a player was the best in the world in his position for 2/3 years and at the same time not class him as ‘great.’Still doesn't make him one of or even the best, he is lacking in so many things that make a goalie great.
Buffon > De Gea no doubtI’m gunna say Buffon.
Shots fired!
I’m sure I’m gunna get battered for it. Just always thought he was a ‘solid’ keeper rather than elite level.
No CL trophy either
Nahhh Buffon was never as good as Dave for shot stopping.Buffon > De Gea no doubt
That Bollocks never grows old, does it. I could name a few other players of that Dortmund squad who were shit at their next teams and never ever played at that level again. Who ruined Kagawa or Sahin? maybe it wasn't Bayern who ruined all of them.I'm another who overrated Gotze. I thought he was all set to become the next best player in the world. Unfortunately injuries and Bayern ruined him.
Did he? Or did the teams?This argument would be more valid if Pirlo didn't win 2 UCL trophies and a World Cup.
Many players in that title-winning Dortmund team were indeed overrated, such as Gotze, Reus, Sahin, Gundogan and Kagawa. They just thrived under Klopp and somehow fitted to his system, but most of them failed after leaving and Lewandowski was the only successful one.That Bollocks never grows old, does it. I could name a few other players of that Dortmund squad who were shit at their next teams and never ever played at that level again. Who ruined Kagawa or Sahin? maybe it wasn't Bayern who ruined all of them.
When Götze arrived at Bayern, he was on his 4th major muscle injury. At Bayern, he had another one of those that cost him 1/3 of a year. Still Götze has decent stats (slightly better than for BVB in goals scored/assist/game) and could at least be called a better-than-average BL player up to his illness. What happened since he rejoined BVB? he's a shadow.. did BVB ruin him?
He almost won the Ballon d'Or and was only beaten by Zidane, that doesn't happen to overrated players.The most overrated player of all time was Beckham. One of the few manc players I liked, but who doesn’t like Beckham. He was responsible for bringing millions of fans to love the sport and was a great player but overrated. Great crosser of the ball, great vision and good free kicks. Not fast and couldn’t beat a man or defend. Yet he is known to be the most overrated player ever to play the game.
I think Beckham is underrated. The amount of times I've seen him labelled a 'limited player' is unrreal, and it's a phrase I've only really seen used for him for some strange reason as opposed to players like John O'Shea.He almost won the Ballon d'Or and was only beaten by Zidane, that doesn't happen to overrated players.
He was easily one of the greatest players of his generation. His fantasy football stats were insane, I don't think anyone didn't have him in their team back in the day.
Does Bergkamp not have a similar record to Cantona? They seem quite similar in their style and output and the way both teams rate them.Dennis Bergkamp. Good player, but his record ain't all that. Arsenal fans think he was some kind of god.
Was thinking about that yesterday. Jordan Henderson was giving an interview on the radio as I was preparing food and they spent time afterwards talking about him in general, saying how he's improved as a footballer under Klopp. Got me thinking along those lines, that Klopp is probably making him look better than he really is in a way although that's an awkward way of phrasing it. Klopp did that at Dortmund too with players like the ones you mentioned.Most players of Dortmund's Championship team were definitely overrated. Klopp created such a perfect system where even Großkreutz would perform well occasionally. Subotic ,Piszczek , Kagawa, Sahin, Götze, Schmelzer ... none of them have ever performed close to what they have show under Klopp.
Yeah, Football 365 has had conversations these past few weeks where Beckham, Keane, Scholes, Giggs, Ferdinand, Cantona etc. At some point players who won the treble and doubles and title after tile may have been half-decent.They constantly do that. Right now they have the best GK itw, probably the best LB and definitely the best RB itw but the best FB pair for sure, the best CB in a generation, best young CB in Gomes, best DM in Fabinho and best captain in Henderson, also the greatest substitution ever made in Wijnaldum and the best front 3 itw.
Suarez also had the greatest ever season in the PL bar none and this Liverpool team is the greatest in English history.
All those are legitimately claims I've heard from Liverpool fans. Online and in person.
It's funny that were clearly the best team in PL times. We've won 13. But nothing of ours was the best. They actually argue Salah or Ronaldo, forgetting Ronaldo scored 42 goals in England as a 22 year old.
Neymar is a very difficult player to judge. Obviously, he has won loads and his international record is unbelievable but he played with prime Messi, Suarez, Xavi etc. Then he has gone to France where its easy for PSG and his record isn't incredible. He may just be let down by his attitude rather than his talent.Hazard. Good but never that level.
Neymar. Although that might be more to do with poor career choices.
Pirlo
Was a key part of a midfield that regularly beat Scholes' Midfields and was better than any midfield Scholes had been a part of. 3 champions league finals in 5 seasons. Also finished top 10 Balon D'or 3 times.Atm, probably Trent Alexander-Arnold.
Juventus Pogba is up there. Hes a better player nowadays at United than he was at Juve.
Hazard as well, I was saying that he was overrated prior to the 16/17 season.
Joe Gomez is kinda overrated.
Raheem Sterling as well, at least as a goalscorer, hes a tap in merchant. Pretty good as a creator though on the wings. Gabriel Jesus is a tap in merchant as well.
Sergio Ramos is well up there, hasn't been a very good defender, defensively... in many years.
Marcelo has never been particularly good defensively.
If you spoke to liverpool fans you'd think that firmino was the best centre forward in world football, hes a tad overrated if you ask me, though hes still a really good player.
tldr: TAA currently. Honourable mentions to Gomez, Sterling, Firmino, G. Jesus, Marcelo and Ramos. I don't think Pogba and Hazard are overrated these days. But they were up until around 2017.
edit: I actually sort of agree with Pirlo. Great great player but not quite on the same level as Scholes or Xavi. Xavi > Scholes > Pirlo IMO.
This team would do well under a good manager. Overrated doesn't mean shit.Couldn't imagine how terrible the performance would be if there's a team like this:
GK - Bravo
RB - Ramos
CB - Stones
CB - Maguire
LB - Marcelo
RM - Muller
CM - Kante
CM - Kroos
LM - J. Rodriguez
ST - Chicharito
ST - Jesus
The ability to take players on and out of the game is a highly sought after attribute. once you beat a player you take them out of the game and the opposition then has to gamble whether someone needs to cover and you pull people out of position so its the best space/opportunity creator. basically these players actually create where as players like Lingard spend most their time passing the ball to more useful players to do what the Ben Arfa's and Taarabt's do.Basically every languid, nonchalant flair player ever.
There's something about that casual Berba-esque approach to the game that makes people foam at the mouth in admiration, even if nothing ever actually happens when they have the ball. Adel Taarabt, Hatem Ben Arfa and Ravel Morrison somehow keep getting jobs way above their actual level because they do fancy stuff when they're arsed, which isn't often. Meanwhile, a player like Lingard, who at least has the decency to bust a gut running all over the pitch while accomplishing equally little, will get pages and pages of abuse for being shite.
You make some good points. I take it back then. However there are definitely some out there who probably never even watched Pirlo who rate him like he is a midfield god or something. Furthermore, I still would rank Pirlo, Scholes and Xavi in that order I said. But yeah, he is obviously on the same level. Top player.
Was a key part of a midfield that regularly beat Scholes' Midfields and was better than any midfield Scholes had been a part of. 3 champions league finals in 5 seasons. Also finished top 10 Balon D'or 3 times.
Also starred for the world cup winning team in 2006 and lead the tournament in assists, as well as making all STAR team. Also starred in 2012 European Championships, making team of the tournament.
You ranking Scholes above Pirlo must be based off Scholes premier league dominance (domestic league Pirlo never played in) as in International and Europe, Pirlo dominates him.
If the roles were reversed and Pirlo won loads of Schudettos with Milan, featured in 1 CL final (and got subbed off) but Scholes (and the big 4 of Beckham Keane Giggs) made 3 CL finals in 4 years, England Won World cup 1998 (with Scholes making team of the tournament and leading in assists) and Scholes then starred in Euro 2004 with England making the finals, I doubt you would claim Pirlo was the better midfielder.
I agree with all your other choices though