Can' stay fit for an extended period of time. Yet would be just as expensive as sancho since barca would need to recoup their money. I love the player but we should avoid him
Ousmane Dembele
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If true that's insane, the 10 mortals Messi plays with should be in phenomenal shape to optimize his play as he swans around making brilliant passes and getting slower and slower like a 1980s or 1990s type cnut with long hair you know what I mean
For that price, it's absolutely worth the 'gamble' if Ole fancies him.
The biggest problem though? The 'source' is from The S*n.
Just think about it guys, think about it out loud. A player they spent £120m on, will now sell on £37m?
There must be a random transfer word generator that's more accurate than this. Insert 'player', 'club', 'reason for moving' hit random and voila.
The biggest problem though? The 'source' is from The S*n.
Just think about it guys, think about it out loud. A player they spent £120m on, will now sell on £37m?
There must be a random transfer word generator that's more accurate than this. Insert 'player', 'club', 'reason for moving' hit random and voila.
Mbappe and Dembele are this generation's Cristiano Ronaldo and Quaresma.
Which one is which one?
I bet Jones can stay fit longer than him
If we can't get Sancho (which we will) I'd take him on loan I suppose at a push, honestly wouldn't buy him though, the injury record is horrendous and I get just a feeling he'd be a disaster.
I agree with those who are assessing the fitness complexities. Talent wise he's (on form) one of the best in world football. I also don't see his attitude as a huge problem because it bodes down to maturity, naturally that should incline with not only age but a new working environment. Imagine going from lower economic class to millionaire living in Spain, without mentorship / guidance it would be hard to acclimatize in focus to some extent. It would be completely different if he had a personality issue or was very egotistical etc however that doesn't sound like his character.
Sancho is obviously the preferred option but if it fails to materialize I don't see why we should continually have to put up with players putting in abysmal performances on the right hand side of the flanks season after season. It gets worse considering by Ole's own admission we have the best finisher at the club forced wide to accommodate our weakness. 37 million is great value for someone as talented as Dembele.
Sancho is obviously the preferred option but if it fails to materialize I don't see why we should continually have to put up with players putting in abysmal performances on the right hand side of the flanks season after season. It gets worse considering by Ole's own admission we have the best finisher at the club forced wide to accommodate our weakness. 37 million is great value for someone as talented as Dembele.
They bought him for £96m. No idea why people constantly inflate the price.For that price, it's absolutely worth the 'gamble' if Ole fancies him.
The biggest problem though? The 'source' is from The S*n.
Just think about it guys, think about it out loud. A player they spent £120m on, will now sell on £37m?
There must be a random transfer word generator that's more accurate than this. Insert 'player', 'club', 'reason for moving' hit random and voila.
It’s just as bad as the media.
Think we should be all over it for that price but find it hard to believe they would sell him for such a loss
That would carry weight if we were a champions league, top two team
Sadly weve slipped so being a top performer in a europa league side who have been battling for a top 6 spot isnt as prestigous as you make out.
When/if we become a top two team, and a regular champions league team once again and Pogba and Martial are still two of the better performers in the Evolved United team than il certainly accept your point, out performing Lingaard and Peirera is no huge achievement
If he can get over his fitness issues and get his confidence back, the rumoured price is an absolute steal. People sayig Barcelona will never sell him for that price? They are losing millions everyday currently and he is a player mainly on th etreatment table, not getting many games who is probably on high wages and cost them a lot of money.
Of course the "if" is a very big if though it appears, but very good reason they paid a fortune for him. He may not have had the vision for assists at the same age Sancho has, rest of his game was every bit as good though. love to see Dembele get back to his best as he is a huge talent
Of course the "if" is a very big if though it appears, but very good reason they paid a fortune for him. He may not have had the vision for assists at the same age Sancho has, rest of his game was every bit as good though. love to see Dembele get back to his best as he is a huge talent
He strikes me as those "wasted potential" players
For 37 million I will take him over Sancho for 120. Ousmanne fit has more potential than sancho although right now it’s looking like he is going to be a waste with all the injuries. Still this could be a robben from Chelsea to Bayern moment for us.
On a side note I hate these type of transfer rumors because they are always fake. I don’t believe Barcelona would ever sell him for 37 million.
On a side note I hate these type of transfer rumors because they are always fake. I don’t believe Barcelona would ever sell him for 37 million.
I can't see any club post covid paying 100+ for Sancho. He'd still cost a fair bit more even with the discount, but than again, as you say, would Barca really sell him for 37 mill. Clubs like Dortmund who buy low and sell high are hurting financially right now, any club going for Sancho will get him cheaper than what was being touted pre covid.
Yh I don’t think he will ever go for 120 this season or the next due to the pandemic. He will also want to move sometime in the near future so Dortmund should settle for a cool 89 million.
Yes I got the wrong price but that's the beside the point. I was being flmsical on the transfer figures because of the ridiculousness of this 'report'. Barca are badly run but no way are they going to take a more than 50% hit on a talented youngster they have on their books.
The media always do that, there were potential add ons that could have brought the deal to a higher price, but the media always report the highest possible price it could reach.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/41075084
For 37 million this could have the potential of being another Sneijder/Robben level signing.
Highly talented player who has injury problems (in case of Robben) and isn't wanted by his team, and therefore is available cheap albiet with a tarnished reputation. I can completely see Bayern going for him for that price if Sane doesn't work out, where I'll guarantee he'll turn into a star player.
Hell, even besides Robben they signed Boateng extremely cheap from City when people thought he is a waste and turned him into one of the best CBs in the world.
Highly talented player who has injury problems (in case of Robben) and isn't wanted by his team, and therefore is available cheap albiet with a tarnished reputation. I can completely see Bayern going for him for that price if Sane doesn't work out, where I'll guarantee he'll turn into a star player.
Hell, even besides Robben they signed Boateng extremely cheap from City when people thought he is a waste and turned him into one of the best CBs in the world.
He has never stay fit during his time in Barca.
Think this says more about the Bundesliga - Yes I’m sure Dembele would excel at BM as there would be less pressure ina really dominant team. That said his attitude stinks - he couldn’t be bothered to put effort in at Barca so what makes you think that will change?
as for Boateng - he might look ok at BM but he is not good enough/consistent enough to play in the PL where he would be exposed time and time again.....
playing for Bayern is similar in a way to playing for Celtic - you are guaranteed a winners medal before the season starts.....
What? Good enough to win the UCL and WC but not good enough for the PL, genius mate
If he can get himself fit, he would be very good for us. His dribbling ability and pace make him so dangerous. I remember watching France prior to the world cup and thinking that he would be the star. Barcelona was a very bad move for him, especially considering that Messi plays in the role he provides the most threat. Wingers going to Barca need to realise that Barca expects different things than most clubs expect of their wingers. It's not a free and expressive place to play, particularly on the flanks.
My fear with him starts with injuries, but I'm also not sure about his attitude given media reports. We don't need another Pogba situation and like Di Maria prior, we don't need another player feeling like they could be doing better than us or one that doesn't have a strong feeling for the club. Di Maria might have been an exception, but if we can, we should avoid that at all costs, even for a reduced fee. We may not be at our greatest on the pitch at the moment, but given the size of the club, a player should be chomping at the bit to play for a club like this. I know players like Sancho and Grealish would be, I'm not hundred percent certain about that with Dembele. If we cannot get Sancho, it would be a risk worth taking imo, but we would need to understand that getting him also means paying more attention to his training and physical demands. Maybe we can stem those injuries.
My fear with him starts with injuries, but I'm also not sure about his attitude given media reports. We don't need another Pogba situation and like Di Maria prior, we don't need another player feeling like they could be doing better than us or one that doesn't have a strong feeling for the club. Di Maria might have been an exception, but if we can, we should avoid that at all costs, even for a reduced fee. We may not be at our greatest on the pitch at the moment, but given the size of the club, a player should be chomping at the bit to play for a club like this. I know players like Sancho and Grealish would be, I'm not hundred percent certain about that with Dembele. If we cannot get Sancho, it would be a risk worth taking imo, but we would need to understand that getting him also means paying more attention to his training and physical demands. Maybe we can stem those injuries.
He’s not as talented as Mbappe
It's not just injuries though, he is also meant to have a poor attitude. He went on strike to get his Barcelona move didn't he? and then once there was supposedly late to plenty of training sessions because he was up all night gaming (not sure if that's a euphemism or not).
That being said I would still want him if he was under 50 mill or so, looks class when ever I have seen him and is certainly an exciting player.
Few are.
I'd still say it's too early to say whether it's even true or not, Dembele is an insane talent and produces when on the field, not to the level of Mbappe but they're also different types of players. I'm sure most will disagree but I don't think it's crazy to say that if he gets his health issues behind him, he could be up there with Mbappe in a few healthy years and might be an even better player than Sancho when all is said and done. It's less likely than more but who knows? It's worth a reasonable gamble if Barca are willing to let him go cheap.
Even Robben was accused of having attitude problems at Chelsea when he wasn't being given a starting role regularly.
In the end I think sometimes the right environment can change the attitude of a player. I was pessimistic when Robben joined Bayern thinking of his injury history but also that he would want to leave soon after joining because Bayern at that time were a shadow of their former European selves. The career he had afterwards, and also that of Sneijder, showed that players can turn themselves around if they enjoy where they are at.
Dembele has buckets of talent, that isn't in doubt. I think the right manager and club can turn him back into a potential world class player.
Better dribbler than Mbappe, more creative, just as fast and with both feet. And Better in tight space (but not open space).
Mbappe has nothing on him talent wise, more effective but not more talented, it's not even close talentwise. His problem is injuries, if he clears the injuries and starts fresh he can be a top 3 player in the world easy. a move will be a good thing for him
The obsession with 'talent' and peoples interpretation of the word on the forum is getting a bit tedious.
Talent amounts to nothing if you can't convert it into being an effective player on the pitch. Comparing Dembele to Mbappe right now is night and day.
Dress it up how you like but Dembele is levels below Mbappe.
If he were a better dribbler and a more creative player than Mbappe on the pitch then he would be performing like Mbappe in competitive matches.
I could be a talented brick layer but if I can't do it on a building site then it's not worth a w@nk is it.
There is nothing to suggest Dembele can spend most of a season fit, and I've seen him bottle enough big moments and run down blind alleys, as well as read enough reports about his attitude, to know he isn't going to fit into the United the club should be looking to build. If a club is really trying this hard to get this shot of a player they spent so much money on, that is a sign. As for comments about his talent, how about he actually demonstrates it then. All hype at this point.
Right. I didn’t mean that as a “we should only sign Mbappe or better,” more replying to what was in the OP
I’d probably word it like this. Ousmane has more raw ability and skills than MBappe, but Mbappe is light years ahead in the mental maturity of his game and knows how and where to use his abilities for the best outcome. Which arguably by itself is probably the most important skill.The obsession with 'talent' and peoples interpretation of the word on the forum is getting a bit tedious.
Talent amounts to nothing if you can't convert it into being an effective player on the pitch. Comparing Dembele to Mbappe right now is night and day.
Dress it up how you like but Dembele is levels below Mbappe.
If he were a better dribbler and a more creative player than Mbappe on the pitch then he would be performing like Mbappe in competitive matches.
I could be a talented brick layer but if I can't do it on a building site then it's not worth a w@nk is it.
Dembele on the other hand can be quite hit and miss and make wrong decisions way too often. The decision making process and being able to execute it is what makes Mbappe the better player.
I've seen a lot of people compare Mbappe and Ousmane and I won't be surprised if Liverpool pick him up for 37m as Klopp is a huge fan. We made a huge mistake when Real were getting rid of Sneijder and Robben back when Real was having a fire sale and they bought Ronaldo, Benzema and Kaka. Let it sink in that both, Sneijder and Robben ended up winning trebles after they left Real. Now I'm not saying that Ousmane is destined for the same career as Sneijder or Robben but if a player like Ousmane comes available for that price, I think it's a risk you've got to take as he's a talisman of a player. He can have a bad game for 88m and would be able to come up with a moment of magic. He's a gamechanger..... I think with the right people around him, he'll only get better. And some smartass will be like what makes you think United have the right people.... I think being away from Messi's will help him grow into the player he was destined to be. I think playing with Messi at the age of 20 was a little too early. It can be overwhelming...
Completely agree with you, Dembele is a bit of a free spirit, and being in Messi's team, it's going to create issues because Messi should essentially be the only player with the freedom to express himself because he's usually going to consistently create winning plays with that freedom. And yet, Ousmane is very much appreciated by a section of the Barcelona fans specifically because of the fact that he plays with freedom, but the problem as @Andersons Dietician laid out, he often makes the wrong decisions on the simple plays or after having done the hardest part of a sequence, but comes up with moments of genius when Barcelona are out of ideas and getting close to losing the game. He did it numerous times last season to help them pick up valuable points and a trophy that would have likely been lost without him.
And as far as the conversation of talent goes, the thing to remember is that Ousmane actually performs consistently when he is on the field. His output is consistent (and so well balanced between his right and left foot whether we're talking assists or goals, Thanos would be proud), his attendance and ability to be physically on the field is the only inconsistent part about what he can offer to the team. The scary thing with him is that if he matures his game, and especially his decision-making, then he is automatically a future top 5 player in the world, I have no doubts about that. If he doesn't, he's someone you can always toss on the pitch to try and unlock a difficult situation and more times than not he will give you an opportunity to win the game. The biggest issue is his muscle injuries and if he's let go for that cheap, no matter what's happened at Barcelona, it means to me that he's been compromised physically in a way that he's not going to be the same player. I hope I'm wrong and it's just the COVID crisis and Barcelona being desperate because they are a joke of a club, because it'd be a shame he doesn't get close to the level his talent and natural abilities warrant.
Understanding the game and decision making is talent, as is scoring goals.
No idea why people only list the obvious skills like dribbling, pace etc as talent when decision making and mentality are way more important in football, it's what separates a Ronaldo from a Quaresma!
For 37m it may be worth the risk to a lot of clubs, as a Quaresma who could make it all click would be a sight to behold, I'd probably lean on saying yes and taking the gamble.
I agree with @RUCK4444 though, Mbappe is way ahead right now, when they were both breaking through I thought they were going to be the new Ronaldo/Messi and that France were in for a hell of a period dominating international football.
So far, so good.
True!So far, so good.
Mbappe still 21 and Dembele just turned 23, if he gets his act together France will be favourites for every tournament for the next decade.And funnily enough, Mbappé is a very skilled player, in fact in that department he is better than Dembélé because he has far more consistency. For me there are two important things when you judge a player skill level, the ability to execute things and the consistency of the execution. I don't actually think that Dembélé can execute more things than Mbappé and I definitely know that Mbappé has a far better control of what he is doing/trying and is therefore more consistent. The one thing that Dembélé has is that he can do everything with both feet and he has exceptional vision but that vision is spoiled by poor decision making and poor concentration when it comes to the execution.
this is not true. Ousmanne has more consistency is his dribbling and creativity than mbappe. Injuries and his unprofessional-ism has really destroyed our perception of him. I only ever watched dortmund just for him. I genuinely dont think there is any attacker excluding messi, neymar and hazard that have better dribbling mixed with pace better than him. The guy is so rapid on the ball you just cant guard him when he drops his shoulder. I would take the risk. The type of talent he has is worth it. he also plays on the left.
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