It's not so much what he's going to do but what he allows the team to do as well. For the first time in a decade we'll have legitimate balance to the team. Double team Sancho, that's fine, space for Pogba, Bruno and Rashford. Double team Rashford? Okay, space for the others. Etc.This entire forum seems to be making Sancho out to be prime Real Madrid CR7. Like he's going to instantly make you guys favorites to win the CL next season.
I get you guys are excited, but sheesh! The pressure on him is going to be absolutely immense with such expectations.
Likely planning on CHO going to prisonSo it'll be Werner - Tammy - Ziyech trio then. Unless if they are still interested to sign a striker.
Yeah it doesn't lie but Ole has proven he's not some novice when it comes to taking on the better coaches, his problem (like the past Liverpool managers) is the players aren't good enough (Rafa only had one side good enough to win the league and he did almost do it)This is maybe a discussion for another thread. But this argument is exactly the one we used to throw at you about Houllier and Rafa. What more could they do? And your response (correctly) was always the same: the league table NEVER lies.
Shhh! Don't tell them!This is maybe a discussion for another thread. But this argument is exactly the one we used to throw at you about Houllier and Rafa. What more could they do? And your response (correctly) was always the same: the league table NEVER lies.
In a strange reality where people predict league finishes based on speculation and without considering what business other teams are doing.Chelsea signing Werner and Chillwell to add to Ziyech means they must be favourites to finish third next season.
We get into promising areas but have had a big problem with finishing and decision making, Zyiech and Werner coming in alongside hopeful improvement from Pulisic, Mount, CHO could be massive.I'd disagree on the basis of there really not being much to split United and Chelsea this season (with us dominating head to heads). Chelsea strengthening their attack (which wasn't their weak point) with Ziyech and Werner. United basically adding Pogba, Bruno and big possibility to get Sancho to address our weak areas. On the balance it would be a much bigger improvement for us imo.
But as it is, a clear top 4 with Leicester falling off I think.
Classic Wummry. You bring the subject up, get picked apart then when asked to respond declare it's a discussion for another thread, despite the fact you brought it up in this one. Ha ha.This is maybe a discussion for another thread. But this argument is exactly the one we used to throw at you about Houllier and Rafa. What more could they do? And your response (correctly) was always the same: the league table NEVER lies.
Will they let CHO out on Saturday day release? Not sure he'd get his boots on with a tag. He he he.We get into promising areas but have had a big problem with finishing and decision making, Zyiech and Werner coming in alongside hopeful improvement from Pulisic, Mount, CHO could be massive.
I do agree with your point regarding top four and both of us seem to be developing nicely, that's why in many ways OGS and Lampard are safe bets, even if they ultimately don't turn out to be good enough they'll leave very good squads for a manager that is.
Squad. William and Pedro are leavingAre Chelsea basically giving up on Pulisic already then? Didn't he cost 50mil?
Hardly that surprising he ain't that good, he might still get his fair share of games though depending where they actually play Ziyech and Werner. I'd expect something likeAre Chelsea basically giving up on Pulisic already then? Didn't he cost 50mil?
I think dan below you pretty much summed it up. The core group of the side are in their prime years and whilst they likely have 3-4 years left depending on the player in question at the highest level. It’s just smart planning to start buying players who can replace/share the load with them. Having to replace them all at once would cost far more and be a much more arduous undertaking.Liverpool didn't really need him tbh and are in a precarious position full stop with their squad, how do you improve? It might be boring come the transfer window for you lot but buying players for the first XI can cause more harm than good
Plus financially you're nowhere near as powerful as other PL sides so your board has to count the pennies (even more remarkable as to how you've built the team you have)
We're losing Willian & Pedro and need another option upfront, not giving up on Pulisic.Are Chelsea basically giving up on Pulisic already then? Didn't he cost 50mil?
Werner would never go to Liverpool to play the same role as Shaqiri or Lallana, that's why you've bought someone like minaminoI think dan below you pretty much summed it up. The core group of the side are in their prime years and whilst they likely have 3-4 years left depending on the player in question at the highest level. It’s just smart planning to start buying players who can replace/share the load with them. Having to replace them all at once would cost far more and be a much more arduous undertaking.
Shaqiri and Lallana are both likely out the door come the window and given the mass amount of games we play he wouldn’t struggle for minutes at all. He could easily play around 2200 minutes plus.
I think this is the issue you'll have now and why Sir Alex was so good at rebuilding and balancing sides. You simply aren't going to get a already world class player to come in and play second fiddle to your front three. That's why the likes of Shaquiri and Minamino were purchased. Sancho, Mbabpe and the likes are a pipe dream unless you're moving on Mane/Salah/Firmino. You might tempt an older player to do it but one going into their key years won't be interested.I think dan below you pretty much summed it up. The core group of the side are in their prime years and whilst they likely have 3-4 years left depending on the player in question at the highest level. It’s just smart planning to start buying players who can replace/share the load with them. Having to replace them all at once would cost far more and be a much more arduous undertaking.
Shaqiri and Lallana are both likely out the door come the window and given the mass amount of games we play he wouldn’t struggle for minutes at all. He could easily play around 2200 minutes plus.
I've not seen much of Pulisic except the Burnley game is he any good?We're losing Willian & Pedro and need another option upfront, not giving up on Pulisic.
He’s versatile he can play anywhere across the front and in certain games we’d probably try a 4-2-3-1. A player of his proven quality goal record and a top class German international available at that price is as good a deal as you’re going to get. I will reserve judgment until the window is over whenever that is. However it appears to be a huge mistake.Who would he have replaced in the lineup at Liverpool?
We weren't interested otherwise we'd have put a bid in. Just paper talk. It's interesting that only Chelsea have activated the buy out given the hype around him.I don't understand why we were rumoured going for Werner. Is he a great player? Apparently. I don't watch the Bundesliga (until recently) but from looking through past matches he has either played as a striker in either a 4-4-2 or 3-5-2, or on the left in a 4-3-3. So if a 4-3-3 is our way forward, then another left sided player is the last thing we need...
Because mention a player with us and you get clicksI don't understand why we were rumoured going for Werner. Is he a great player? Apparently. I don't watch the Bundesliga (until recently) but from looking through past matches he has either played as a striker in either a 4-4-2 or 3-5-2, or on the left in a 4-3-3. So if a 4-3-3 is our way forward, then another left sided player is the last thing we need...
United weren't in position to make all their changes to the squad in one window. They waited and were patient to see what would happen, if even it meant they were going to be short on bodies and quality going into the season. That was a gamble they took and it blew up in the first 3/4 months of the year. It was going to take at least two years after the 2019 summer window based on the development of current players like Rashford, Fred, Martial, McTominay. Chelsea also haven't spent any of their Hazard money, which is incremental to the money they had from not having an full transfer window. Bruno accelerated the pace at which Pereria, Lingard, and Mata don't see first XI football, especially in the league. McTominay wasn't as a big of a loss because of Fred and Matic. There was an entire table of talent gap in the attacking central midfield position as Pogba was playing deeper and when he was out, it was a glaring black hole.They got 'everything' done in the break? Not sure what you mean by everything. They talked to Bruno over last summer and only went for Bruno because Pogba and McTominay were out injured for majority of the season. As for Ighalo, he came in as well because Rashford was out for a very long time and Martial had minor injuries here and there which is why we had to rely on Greenwood. They didn't do everything. They did the bare minimum and the gamble paid off. We got rid of Lukaku (a proven goal scorer) and replaced him with no one until now in the form of Ighalo. Chelsea have always done well when it comes to transfers and their board is a lot better when it comes to how quickly they get the deal done.
Agreed. Sir Alex was a master at rebuilding for a very long time. United would often have 4 quality centre forwards to choose from at any one go. Klopp has been amazing at team building, I suspect he’s going to go with what he has and the latter part of his contract may be focused on rebuilding. That’s just a theory based on nothing though. It’s clear we were in for this lad , just going to have to wait and see. If we’re not going to do a deal like this then Sancho or Havertz is extremely unlikely. As hard as it may be convincing a quality attacker to join is key. It’s the one area we lack depth. A 4th attacker would see plenty of minutes.I think this is the issue you'll have now and why Sir Alex was so good at rebuilding and balancing sides. You simply aren't going to get a already world class player to come in and play second fiddle to your front three. That's why the likes of Shaquiri and Minamino were purchased. Sancho, Mbabpe and the likes are a pipe dream unless you're moving on Mane/Salah/Firmino. You might tempt an older player to do it but one going into their key years won't be interested.
You would swap them for Bruno and Rashford? Because that's where they're playingThat's Ziyech and Werner for roughly 85 or so million, extremely shrewd business for two quality players who would also walk into our first team.
ExactlyYou would swap them for Bruno and Rashford? Because that's where they're playing
I don't think Ziyech will play central midfield he's most prominently used wide at Ajax on the wing. I don't see the sense in Chelsea stalling Mount's development who's been a stand out player for them this season. Werner will likely replace Abraham which for us would be the equivalent of Martial. I do believe Martial has as much to offer as Werner but he's not consistent enough.You would swap them for Bruno and Rashford? Because that's where they're playing
Lampard has said Ziyeck will play through the middle though? It seems to be his favourite positionI don't think Ziyech will play central midfield he's most prominently used wide at Ajax on the wing. I don't see the sense in Chelsea stalling Mount's development who's been a stand out player for them this season. Werner will likely replace Abraham which for us would be the equivalent of Martial. I do believe Martial has as much to offer as Werner but he's not consistent enough.
Werner I feel does have limitations tactically he's in no way clinical so if the Chelsea fans were discontent with Abraham for his conversion I feel this will be resembled with Werner. But irrespective its still good business.
I think you'll do business but it won't be top bracket for a few reasons;Agreed. Sir Alex was a master at rebuilding for a very long time. United would often have 4 quality centre forwards to choose from at any one go. Klopp has been amazing at team building, I suspect he’s going to go with what he has and the latter part of his contract may be focused on rebuilding. That’s just a theory based on nothing though. It’s clear we were in for this lad , just going to have to wait and see. If we’re not going to do a deal like this then Sancho or Havertz is extremely unlikely. As hard as it may be convincing a quality attacker to join is key. It’s the one area we lack depth. A 4th attacker would see plenty of minutes.
Im unaware that Lampard mentioned preferring to use him centrally which is odd considering he seems far more effective on the right hand side.Lampard has said Ziyeck will play through the middle though? It seems to be his favourite position
Ziyech plays on the right wing (can play on the left but I suspect he won't) and is a playmaker. Totally different position and skill set than Rashford.You would swap them for Bruno and Rashford? Because that's where they're playing
I guess the question is would Ziyech and Werner walk into the United team?Ziyech plays on the right wing (can play on the left but I suspect he won't) and is a playmaker. Totally different position and skill set than Rashford.
Right now yes. If we get Sancho in the summer no.I guess the question is would Ziyech and Werner walk into the United team?
I'm not sure how they both walk in to the team if you're suggesting that they both play RW?Right now yes. If we get Sancho in the summer no.
Yep.I've not seen much of Pulisic except the Burnley game is he any good?
