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Probably anything less than £40m?What's cheap?
They'll rinse us for him, I'd be happy to pay £30m tops.
Probably anything less than £40m?What's cheap?
Probably anything less than £40m?
They'll rinse us for him, I'd be happy to pay £30m tops.
Yes. And it's pretty Clear Ole is modelling himself on Sir Alex . VdB would be the better signing for me .From what I’ve read about van de Beek, he seems like the kind of player Sir Alex would have had in his teams and would probably have racked up some serious silverware along the way, compared to Grealish who whilst gifted, doesn’t seem to possess that air of professionalism. I’ll never forget that photo of him fecking passed out drunk in the middle of a road in some Mediterranean resort, and then his lockdown breach.
If you think we will get Grealish for less than £40m you are in cuckoo landProbably anything less than £40m?
They'll rinse us for him, I'd be happy to pay £30m tops.
Cheaper. Better suited. Far more professional.From what I’ve read about van de Beek, he seems like the kind of player Sir Alex would have had in his teams and would probably have racked up some serious silverware along the way, compared to Grealish who whilst gifted, doesn’t seem to possess that air of professionalism. I’ll never forget that photo of him fecking passed out drunk in the middle of a road in some Mediterranean resort, and then his lockdown breach.
I think its very difficult tbh. Mostly because of Graelish beiing PL proven. And yes, VdB has CL , but that was more or less a golden generation run in CL where everything just clicked.Cheaper. Better suited. Far more professional.
It’s a no brainier between VdB and Grealish.
Not really. Grealish is more talented, homegrown and PL-proven.Cheaper. Better suited. Far more professional.
It’s a no brainier between VdB and Grealish.
So you’ll never forget a teenager getting drunk once, in the off season. He doesn’t have the air of professionalism yet all his so called transgressions have never happened during the season. He’s praised and loved by his coaches, teammates and fans for his hard work and leadership.From what I’ve read about van de Beek, he seems like the kind of player Sir Alex would have had in his teams and would probably have racked up some serious silverware along the way, compared to Grealish who whilst gifted, doesn’t seem to possess that air of professionalism. I’ll never forget that photo of him fecking passed out drunk in the middle of a road in some Mediterranean resort, and then his lockdown breach.
Is he better though? Not sure about that.Cheaper. Better suited. Far more professional.
It’s a no brainier between VdB and Grealish.
I wouldn't say so, no. I think the only advantage VDB has is that he can play as a 10 and 8, meaning he could be back up for Bruno and Pogba. Sort of like Gundogan for City. If rumours are to be believed, then he will take up the squad place of Pereira/Lingard.Is he better though? Not sure about that.
I guess it depends what you want out of your team but VDB is a box to box midfielder who chips in with goals, grealish is a winger/attacking midfielder who dribbles with the ball very well and also scores a few.
I’m not sure our interest in DVB was ever genuine, we seem to get linked all the time and it’s mainly by agents trying to get him a move away somewhere.
Absolutely convinced Ole has no plans to bring in a DM like those you mentioned.I would want VdB Over him anyday. Also get one of Partey or Ndidi and our midfield will be complete.
Yeh. Sir Alex would never want players with attitude problems. Never!From what I’ve read about van de Beek, he seems like the kind of player Sir Alex would have had in his teams and would probably have racked up some serious silverware along the way, compared to Grealish who whilst gifted, doesn’t seem to possess that air of professionalism. I’ll never forget that photo of him fecking passed out drunk in the middle of a road in some Mediterranean resort, and then his lockdown breach.
Exactly why I think we should sign Van De Beek. No displaniry issues in the past I can think of and is more in line with the culture Ole is trying to build. Plus he is a better player. I can see Jack Grealish being a disaster and despite what some people say, he wouldn't make into a top four side.Great point.
I have been debating a similar scenario with another poster in regards to Sancho on his player thread.
I think our club must be weary and cautious when signing players who have had disciplinary issues.
Coming to United will only boost their egos higher and that will definitely impact the culture that Ole is trying to bring back.
As much as I’d love to see these players sign for us, we don’t want to get embroiled in off field issues with these players once we’ve signed them. We must ensure that their behaviour has improved.
I also agree with your point about Grealish losing his focus when he’s not playing week in week out. Unless he’ll be given assurances that that will not be the case (If he ends up replacing Pogba).
Well to be fair those players that Sir Alex signed had the potential to be world class and one of the best in their respective position. In comparison Jack Grealish doesn't. Won't even come close so ain't worth it. I don't have a problem with signing English players as I think Jadon Sancho can potentially be one of the best right wingers in the world. So sign him up. Jack Grealish is the very case of an overhyped British talent.Yeh. Sir Alex would never want players with attitude problems. Never!
/sarcasm.
I think you're doing a great disservice to the ability of Jack Grealish. And I don't think he's anymore hyped than any other player 'plying their trade elsewhere in a different league in Europe. The only issue I have with signing him is where we fit him in to the team. With Havertz I see him fit like a glove as a false #9 but with Grealish his best roles are occupied by nailed on first team players. But if Ole decides to sign him then i'd be happy because he's a talented player and it would make us stronger squad wise.Well to be fair those players that Sir Alex signed had the potential to be world class and one of the best in their respective position. In comparison Jack Grealish doesn't. Won't even come close so ain't worth it. I don't have a problem with signing English players as I think Jadon Sancho can potentially be one of the best right wingers in the world. So sign him up. Jack Grealish is the very case of an overhyped British talent.
It’s about context of the drinking.So you’ll never forget a teenager getting drunk once, in the off season. He doesn’t have the air of professionalism yet all his so called transgressions have never happened during the season. He’s praised and loved by his coaches, teammates and fans for his hard work and leadership.
All this Fergie this and Fergie that are complete horseshit. Just about every single captain we ever had under Fergie had a drinking problem. Keane has talked about his alcohol abuse. Rooney was charged with drunk driving as well as countless other drunken occasions. Ferdinand has said he would drink 10 pints in a night and then move on to the vodka and when asked if he regrets anything in his career it was his drinking habit. Nani has said players would routinely turn up drunk to training every Christmas period and Ferguson wouldn’t care. So let’s cut the holier than thou bullshit and stop acting like Ferguson didn’t allow players to drink in the off season.
The difference is that if Sancho is too expensive as seems the case, Grealish can play on the right wing as he's played often as a winger for Villa.From what I’ve read about van de Beek, he seems like the kind of player Sir Alex would have had in his teams and would probably have racked up some serious silverware along the way, compared to Grealish who whilst gifted, doesn’t seem to possess that air of professionalism. I’ll never forget that photo of him fecking passed out drunk in the middle of a road in some Mediterranean resort, and then his lockdown breach.
When has he played RW?The difference is that if Sancho is too expensive as seems the case, Grealish can play on the right wing as he's played often as a winger for Villa.
I wouldn't bet against both of them arriving in the transfer window. VDB can play a number of roles also but perhaps would be rotated with Matic and Fred, and Grealish could be rotated with Bruno as a no. 10 and also Chong and James on the wing.
Correction he`s often played as a LEFT WINGER for Villa. He`s not once played as a RW this season so it`s pointless using him in a role he`s not specialized in.The difference is that if Sancho is too expensive as seems the case, Grealish can play on the right wing as he's played often as a winger for Villa.
I wouldn't bet against both of them arriving in the transfer window. VDB can play a number of roles also but perhaps would be rotated with Matic and Fred, and Grealish could be rotated with Bruno as a no. 10 and also Chong and James on the wing.
Things like this always make me laugh, it's like asking Rashford/Martial to play on the right.Correction he`s often played as a LEFT WINGER for Villa. He`s not once played as a RW this season so it`s pointless using him in a role he`s not specialized in.
Well to be honest, I prefer Grealish to VDB if we can manage him well and ensure his past behaviour doesn’t become repetitive.Exactly why I think we should sign Van De Beek. No displaniry issues in the past I can think of and is more in line with the culture Ole is trying to build. Plus he is a better player. I can see Jack Grealish being a disaster and despite what some people say, he wouldn't make into a top four side.
Many people struggle to evaluate a talent on individual ability alone, you only have to look back at how he played against us at Old Trafford to see what quality he has.Well to be honest, I prefer Grealish to VDB if we can manage him well and ensure his past behaviour doesn’t become repetitive.
Sure Grealish attracts negative attention due to his disciplinary issues, but he’s still a bigger talent as compared to VDB.
Premier league proven, avoids frequent injuries, has leadership qualities, all apart from his skills and talent.
But for me price is a huge driving factor during this pandemic. If Villa get relegated, and we can get Grealish around the same price as VDB, then he’s totally my preferred option. VDB only if Grealish is too expensive.
On a side note, you really don’t believe Grealish has the caliber to play in a top 4 side?
Even with Villa playing so poorly, Grealish has thrived in the PL.
One of my favourite and most reliable picks in my fantasy team this season!![]()
Totally agree!Many people struggle to evaluate a talent on individual ability alone, you only have to look back at how he played against us at Old Trafford to see what quality he has.
He's been doing that all season for Villa in a team that really lacks any flair or talent away from Mcginn who was out with a broken ankle for a long while.
He's also been carrying the weight of being a Villa fan and captain from a young age, they rely on him so much.Totally agree!
If you scroll through these last couple pages of this thread you’ll find me mentioning his performance against us at our home ground as well!
His goal was exquisite and his composure & confidence in making that shot showed me that he’s a big team player capable of constantly showing up in the big games.
For us it would be fantastic to see a player settle in right away instead of taking risks. Sure VDB is a huge talent but if asked to compare, I’m sure most of us would bet on Grealish settling in sooner than VDB.
We only need to look back to our most recent signings. Maguire & AWB were ready from the get go since they had already been playing in the PL.
We might be targeting him and the likes of VdB and Havertz because Pogba may be leaving not necessarily this but could be the next. So its planning ahead. Grealish would be competition for now but would be a starter when Pogba leaves might be the planI think it is unfair for anyone to say he’s not talented. He’s a very good ball carrier and does well in his big fish small pond role at Villa where he is the main man. He’s not prolific but it’s hard for him to be when he’s arguably the creator of the side and I don’t know if you’ve ever tried setting yourself up but it’s not easy!
He clearly has on field skills from LW given a little more space (before he gets swamped by defenders) and creative freedom but he suffers more when moved centrally into CAM (he rarely ever plays CM so yes I’m dismissing that).
If you could separate the personality and the issues from the player he would be a good signing for ~£40m but unfortunately you can’t and as much as I admire his footballing ability I think mentally he is not ready to be second fiddle on the bench having to work for a starting XI spot.
This really tickled meCan see Grealish receiving the ball on the right wing before busting into the right half space doing a give and go with Fernandes before it cutting it back to Pogba .....chooo chooo
Marcus Rashford never played for Ferguson. Grealish does loads of charity in Birmingham anyway.It’s about context of the drinking.
“Grealish drove drunk during a national crisis and went to party with his mate because he was bored. Marcus Rashford at a younger age during that same time frame helped push a foundation feeding children in need.”
Rashford has since today openly sought to engage with the government to improve the lives of those in greatest need. This has been done in his downtime.
Whenever Jack has downtime he does something stupid; being sub at United he won’t be playing week in week out.
Do you not see the gaping difference?
Last I checked he had played 12 games as a CM for Villa in his last 50 games.I think it is unfair for anyone to say he’s not talented. He’s a very good ball carrier and does well in his big fish small pond role at Villa where he is the main man. He’s not prolific but it’s hard for him to be when he’s arguably the creator of the side and I don’t know if you’ve ever tried setting yourself up but it’s not easy!
He clearly has on field skills from LW given a little more space (before he gets swamped by defenders) and creative freedom but he suffers more when moved centrally into CAM (he rarely ever plays CM so yes I’m dismissing that).
If you could separate the personality and the issues from the player he would be a good signing for ~£40m but unfortunately you can’t and as much as I admire his footballing ability I think mentally he is not ready to be second fiddle on the bench having to work for a starting XI spot.
Yeah I think Villa asked him to stay an extra year since they had qualified for the PL (There was demand for him last summer as well).He's also been carrying the weight of being a Villa fan and captain from a young age, they rely on him so much.
The moment I knew he "had it" was the Birmingham derby when the fan ran on the pitch and punched him. Instead of disappearing and being scared he took the game to them and scored the winner. He's maybe spent a bit too long at Villa for his own good and now he's 25 he needs to take the next step - and Villa need to let him do that which I think they will if they get a fair price.
I’m expecting Pogba to leave in 2021 summer. Grealish won’t fill that void. We’d need a CM.We might be targeting him and the likes of VdB and Havertz because Pogba may be leaving not necessarily this but could be the next. So its planning ahead. Grealish would be competition for now but would be a starter when Pogba leaves might be the plan
What’s Ferguson got to do with anything I’ve said?Marcus Rashford never played for Ferguson. Grealish does loads of charity in Birmingham anyway.
Grealish went outside during lockdown along with 20+ other PL footballers and tens of thousands of other civilians.
Grealish was involved in what police called a minor incident. It hasn’t been proved he was even the one driving the car. And he’s been charged with nothing. Meanwhile, Wayne Rooney was charged and convicted of driving impaired, in the middle of the season. Do you see the gaping difference?
I think your source is wrong.Last I checked he had played 12 games as a CM for Villa in his last 50 games.
Which is more than the number of games he’s played as a CAM (11) or LF (8) during those 50 games. Please correct me if my source is wrong.
But I agree, he plays best in attacking roles.
I do however believe that he’ll be happy with the game time he’ll receive. We play a huge number of games and he’ll hardly ever have to play second fiddle.
He’ll also provide competition for starting spots which will keep our other players on their toes which is necessary at the moment.
Also - if we do end up buying Grealish, and we can replace him with two outgoing players, that will itself make up for playing time. Lingard and Pereira have been able to play way too many minutes for my liking.
I also wouldn’t mind taking a risk on buying him keeping his past discretions in mind, if he only ends up costing around the £40m mark. He’ll still have huge resale value for a few years to come and we can easily recoup that amount or a tad bit more if we want to get rid of him.
But I think he’ll mature with time and become more responsible and become a huge squad player for us.
What does your ramblings about Rashford have anything to do with what I said?What’s Ferguson got to do with anything I’ve said?
Rashford has been a shining example do everything you’d want in terms of character and ability.
People see a bit of talent and are willing to be blinkered and excuse any behaviour even that which endangers life.
He went to get pissed at his mates because he was bored. I don’t care who else got involved were not trying to sign the other players and the idiots who felt entitled enough to go against life saving advice.
Drink driving is a minor offence in the eyes of the law as was lockdown breach so of course that’s how it’ll be described.
Grealish decided in a time when the whole country was told to make a sacrifice that his own entertainment was of greater importance than spreading an unprecedented life threatening disease. And you think he’s got a good team mentality?
Rashford looked outward at what he could do for others to help. Grealish only inward for what he could do for himself.
Grealish does token gestures like most in his position. The vast majority of charity work is put on by the club for him to attend.
I’m not defending Wayne Rooney at all and so it’s irrelevant to the discussion. The only difference is Rooney did that whilst at the club