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Talent and ambition should be rewarded, plus he's 23 so he's not too young for at least a small run of PL matches.
It’s understandable to be unsure if he can make the step up but I have no doubts about him. If you don’t give him the opportunity I can’t see him waiting too long, no matter how much of a fan he is. It’s crazy that de Gea was given a mega new contract when Henderson is ready and waiting to take over.Fair enough. We had the same issues with Ben Foster too. On loan he was brilliant, one of the best young keepers but we know what happened when he got the chance at United.
If we manage to sell DDG then Henderson would be great knowing he will make mistakes in the season. He is still young for a keeper and needs to get the confidence of United No. 1
However; selling DDG is almost impossible, would rather see him go out on loan one more season then come back completely ready.
Well that is where we have found ourselves. I would love to give Henderson the chance but not when De Gea is earning 360k a week on the bench.It’s understandable to be unsure if he can make the step up but I have no doubts about him. If you don’t give him the opportunity I can’t see him waiting too long, no matter how much of a fan he is. It’s crazy that de Gea was given a mega new contract when Henderson is ready and waiting to take over.
Having England’s number 1 (hopefully) out on loan would be something. It’s just convincing Henderson of that plan when a new contract is suggested, and the problem of getting rid of de Gea.Well that is where we have found ourselves. I would love to give Henderson the chance but not when De Gea is earning 360k a week on the bench.
I am sure alot of PL teams will take him on loan for one more year then we can give him the jersey.
I see what you mean. We have to sort the De Gea issue out asap.Having England’s number 1 (hopefully) out on loan would be something. It’s just convincing Henderson of that plan when a new contract is suggested, and the problem of getting rid of de Gea.
Because its not the same at all. None of those crosses you would expect a keeper to get to.So you can criticise DDG for flapping at crosses but when Henderson ends up in no mans land I am being funny?
So like you said earlier, he is on par with Allison, can you show me how you come to this conclusion?
Also he made the same mistakes in the championship. The Liverpool goal was not a one off, he conceded the same type of goal last season too.
The Chelsea one is a mistake. there is no two ways about it.
Thing is I think he's talented enough to readjust. He has great shot stopping fundamentals and a proven track record.De Gea's strengths though are not really suited to an older keeper. Though all keepers are, he is probably more reliant on his reaction speed because of his weaknesses (commanding and corners etc.). It is evident to see that he has lost some of his reaction speed; he is not as fast as he used to be.
The problem with De Gea is that he is neither commanding, great at corners, nor a calming influence. At 29, you would expect him to be better at this stuff, which are major benefits of having a more experienced keeper. I do not see the benefit of keeping him for longer if he is not going to provide these; his reaction time is only going to get worse.
Cutting away hype and those great saves made 4-5 years ago, what are the actually reasons people think de Gea is now good enough to remain as United's no. 1?Cutting away hype and the fact he is a United fan, what are the actually reasons people think this guy is good enough and able to cope with being United's number 1?
Find me mistakes Allison has made.
Henderson V Liverpool - One of the worst mistakes by keeper this season
Henderson V Newcastle - Mistake
On par with Allison?
The reasons are because pro managers and scouts think he is good enough. Ole just the other day said he was a United and England #1 in the making. The Sheffield United manager thinks the same and there's reports that there's a long list of clubs who want to sign him. And you can bet their scouts have recommended him highly.Cutting away hype and the fact he is a United fan, what are the actually reasons people think this guy is good enough and able to cope with being United's number 1?
I don't get this, care to explain?Tottenham manager Jose Mourinho is also an admirer of Henderson from his time managing him at United.
The amount of managing of Henderson was the square root of feck all.I don't get this, care to explain?
Which is incorrect because he had him in the match say squad in the FA Cup in 2017 so he quite clearly worked with him.The amount of managing of Henderson was the square root of feck all.
I think there is a lot of pressure on Henderson, or at least there has been. Yes he’s not performed on the biggest stage for Man Utd but we were in a race for automatic promotion last season and he wasn’t fazed by it, a lot of young keepers could’ve folded under pressure when it’s promotion on the line. The championship is a very difficult league too, a lot of people disregard it.Why are people putting so much emphasis on the pressure ? We are not the United of old we have become a top 6 team which has resembled our situation in recent years. Sheffield have been within touching distance of us all season. Chris Wilder is also seemingly more aggressive as opposed to Ole.
I'd imagine that Henderson is sustaining a decent amount of pressure at Sheffield, I don't see how the conversation would differ between him and someone like Greenwood when it comes to expectation. Mason has more hype if anything given the level of his status in the youth ranks etc he's acclimatized well and doesn't seem phased.
We are in no position as a club competitively to have to worry about pressure because as it stands we are contending for the most basic honours going. If this is prime 2008/09 campaign then the rationale is completely justified.
square root of feck all then.Which is incorrect because he had him in the match say squad in the FA Cup in 2017 so he quite clearly worked with him.
You're the one that is adding the square root of feck all here. Mourinho worked with him and has his own independent scouts that work with him in the EPL which is well documented.square root of feck all then.
I asked what makes people think Henderson is good enough to be United's no. 1?Cutting away hype and those great saves made 4-5 years ago, what are the actually reasons people think de Gea is now good enough to remain as United's no. 1?
He might go on and be a United and England no. 1 - which would be great. But I will remain very cautious until I see it happen.The reasons are because pro managers and scouts think he is good enough. Ole just the other day said he was a United and England #1 in the making. The Sheffield United manager thinks the same and there's reports that there's a long list of clubs who want to sign him. And you can bet their scouts have recommended him highly.
I don't know alot about him but he's rated highly by people who are actually involved in the game it seems. And that's the reason people are excited. Tom Heaton was a fantastic shot stopper for Burnley in the EPL and their fans credited Heaton with an extra 9 points a season and none of our fans wanted him to be #1 here.
This really.I think people need to respect DDG more, he earned that contract, he played and stayed for the bollocks the club has given to him.
He could've left us, but the fax machine saved us. You lot should be grateful, if not because of DDGs saves over the years, United would have been in worse positions.
Feck his wages, he deserved it. Now, regardless of Henderson's form, we should and give some time and faith that he will become great again.
I honestly can't remember many games this season where at the end of the game I've looked back and thought De Gea made saves to win us a point or points there.This really.
He carried us for long periods and deserves to be given the benefit of the doubt. People calling for his head need to show him some respect. I keep seeing people talk about the points he's cost us but what about the countless saves he's made to win us points that nobody talks about. We have one of the best defensive records in the league and he's absolutely part of that.
I agree with you on Henderson but I'm of the opinion we need to upgrade on De Gea regardless. And I've given my reasons on numerous occasions.He might go on and be a United and England no. 1 - which would be great. But I will remain very cautious until I see it happen.
I remember Fergie saying that Ben Foster would be United and England no. 1 - he bottled it when he got his opportunity at United (also after very successful loans and big reputation).
Players can't always handle the pressure at United, despite having all the talent (we've seen it so many times). So I don't see it as something people should talk about with any certainty.
I think De Gea deserves some loyalty too.
Hopefully it would make them realise that, no matter how much they're paid, they are not automatically going to make it into the team.YOu are missing the point. If a 350k player is just sittling around collecting money, how do you think the other players will feel? How do you think he will behave after a few months of sitting around?
Its just not an easy solution as just benching him or even just ridding him.
How long do you wait to see (hope) he can regain his form? It's been 18 months and counting, he's not got better, if anything, he's got worse during that time.This really.
He carried us for long periods and deserves to be given the benefit of the doubt. People calling for his head need to show him some respect. I keep seeing people talk about the points he's cost us but what about the countless saves he's made to win us points that nobody talks about. We have one of the best defensive records in the league and he's absolutely part of that.
Totally agree - De Gea hasn't been at his best, but he's far from a busted flush. Plus he's been our best and most consistent player during the post-Ferguson years - we owe him at least some loyalty.This really.
He carried us for long periods and deserves to be given the benefit of the doubt. People calling for his head need to show him some respect. I keep seeing people talk about the points he's cost us but what about the countless saves he's made to win us points that nobody talks about. We have one of the best defensive records in the league and he's absolutely part of that.
Pre season game.. really.
Unfortunately, alot of fans do not understand this. It is not an easy drop De Gea situation this.YOu are missing the point. If a 350k player is just sittling around collecting money, how do you think the other players will feel? How do you think he will behave after a few months of sitting around?
Its just not an easy solution as just benching him or even just ridding him.
No, no one is saying Henderson is the best option out there, many just think he is a feasible option. The best keepers may be Oblak, Alisson, Handanovic, Neuer, but they are not easily gettable and they cost a lot, while Henderson is already one of us and we can upgrade without extra cost.I asked what makes people think Henderson is good enough to be United's no. 1?
Even if De Gea is deemed no longer good enough - is Henderson the best keeper out there to replace him?
Let's not over look the feck up against Leicester. And you asked a question without adding any conditions so the feck up against Lyon was a mistake.Pre season game.. really.
Yes, fine he made a mistake. Dean Henderson has made more mistakes than the Liverpool one.Let's not over look the feck up against Leicester. And you asked a question without adding any conditions so the feck up against Lyon was a mistake.
I rate Allison higher than both of our keepers and he's also 4 years older than Henderson. Allison has even made mistakes at Roma.Yes, fine he made a mistake. Dean Henderson has made more mistakes than the Liverpool one.
You have shown me a mistake Allison made in 2018. I can go back and show you Henderson's mistakes in the championship too.
Let me ask you, has Alisson made the same mistake again?
Henderson has, the Liverpool goal he conceded, he done the exact same in the championship V Leeds.
My point is how does everyone think Henderson is better? He might turn out to be a brilliant goal keeper, but at the moment he makes mistakes.Whether Henderson is good enough isn't the point, the point is De Gea just isn't good enough and needs to be moved on regardless imo.
De Gea will have to take a pay cut because I don't see anyone giving him parity. He could dig his heels in and carry on picking his pay cheque from the bench (if such a scenario arose) but I'm hoping he'll have pride and look to move on for first team opportunities.My point is how does everyone think Henderson is better? He might turn out to be a brilliant goal keeper, but at the moment he makes mistakes.
Secondly, if it was easy as you have put it then I have no problem in giving Henderson the chance. However, unlike majority of those on here, I am not living in a fantasy.
How do you propose to move DDG on? please provide realistic options.
DDG has made the most mistakes in the league since 2018, plus he’s on £400k.My point is how does everyone think Henderson is better? He might turn out to be a brilliant goal keeper, but at the moment he makes mistakes.
Secondly, if it was easy as you have put it then I have no problem in giving Henderson the chance. However, unlike majority of those on here, I am not living in a fantasy.
How do you propose to move DDG on? please provide realistic options.