West Ham will probably consider him.
So let's talk about Eddie Howe....
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The temptation to go back over this thread and read the Howe would be great for us 
They were discussing Howe on the Sunday Supplement a while back and two things stood out to me. One was that they suggested that the length of time it took for Lewis Cook to make an impression on the Bournemouth first team, having signed for good money from Leeds, was a necessary thing, as he had to learn the ways of Eddie Howe. Which seemed odd to me, as it's not like they play an especially advanced or intricate game, either tactically or technically. What it reminded me more of was the Pulisian style of paying a big price for a player and then deciding "Oh, you're not as good as Glenn Whelan. Piss off to the reserves for three years." a few days later. He has guys he trusts and doesn't seem to be able to improve upon then, despite the fact that, in relative terms, they spend decent money. Howe has so many misses in the transfer market, despite the fact he seems to pick up really good players at times.
The other was that he apparently wants to be responsible for every single thing at the club. Again, very admirable in one way, but totally unsustainable if the club is to grow and utterly impossible to replicate if he gets another job.
As mentioned, his record in the transfer market has been terrible so it's a credit to him that's he still been able to keep them up and had some good seasons. If the signings are his, then Bournemouth need to bring in a director of football to deal with the transfers.
He's a good manager and has made Bournemouth a solid PL team. Maybe he's taken them as far as he can and needs a new challenge before he gets sacked and damages his reputation.
He's a good manager and has made Bournemouth a solid PL team. Maybe he's taken them as far as he can and needs a new challenge before he gets sacked and damages his reputation.
Glen Johnson actually for once made some good points on Talksport earlier. Played with and keeps in touch still with Distin, Defoe and Begovic. None of them lasted long at Bournemouth (had no idea Distin actually played for them tbh but seems he signed when they were newly promoted). His general opinion from talking to them was Howe wasn't a great communicator at all and was pretty scathing of him managing higher up in the league as that's what the top players generally demand nowadays.
God no. Would be a horrible choice for us, we spend absolute pittance compared to what he's had at Bournemouth and the profile of our squad is all wrong for him. Dyche is 100% the man for us assuming he's available when Roy goes and we can tempt him.
Ridiculous. Signing Ibe, Solanke for big fees and some others from the championship. The club is an utter mess when it comes to transfers.
I definitely remember reading glowing profiles in the papers about Howe being involved in everything back when they were on the rise in the Championship. You can't argue with the results in getting them to this point but there's a ceiling to it. Given his previous home sickness who knows, even when they go down he could stick around another 10 years and fair play to him if so but the talk as if Howe himself's upward mobility was inevitable definitely seems premature now. The comparisons seem a lot more Curbishley and Charlton than Klopp and Mainz.
Tough decision for the board. Sack him and look for the new manager bounce. As I don’t think he’d stick around if they get relegated.
Both comparisons sound silly. And let's not pretend like anyone back then thought Klopp was "qualified" to go to Dortmund after "he relegated" Mainz.
I agree with what you say so i hope he will manage better team
to be honest, its the usual english hysteria about young english managers and players. I think its commendable that he likes to play positive football, and that saw bournmeouth play their way up the leagues because they scored lots of goals.
Unfortunately, they dont have the resource and calibre of players to out football most of the PL so have come a bit unstuck. To be in the drop zone, playing What looks like one of your more winnable games albeit with a depleted side, its suicide to go out there and try and play pretty football. Got caught messing round on the edge of their 18 yard box for the first goal trying to play out from the back when they should have had 6 men behind the ball and played safety first. They arent going to get the results they need considering they cant scrape it out and are as relegated as norwich already, in my opinion
I get the feeling if Bournemouth go down they‘ll struggle to bounce back.
Shame really they’re a well run ‘small’ club who have done well to stay in the division these past few years.
Shame really they’re a well run ‘small’ club who have done well to stay in the division these past few years.
feck them. They only know how to play one way and that isn't how you can be if you want to stay up. They are basically a 6 point head start for Liverpool every season.
Why Dyche? Is he football more suited to Palace and survival? Palace have a lot more technical players in their squad than Burnley and can play some good football at times. Burnley is a complete shithouse of a team to play against.
Their owners aren't that shrewd nor do they have the patience. There's a lot of disconnect between owners/board, manager, and players within that club. There looks to be more than enough talent to be firmly miserable but they churn out managers left and right. Pellegrini isn't a push over manager and he couldn't get much out of the squad.
Can we stop pretending like this is a guarantee to drawing out results? I've seen many bus parking shithouse teams go down, no one ascribes their relegation to parking the bus
This is such a lazy typical PL critique. "They didn't get stuck in enough"
This, always roll over for dippers.
What are you on about? its not about getting Stuck in its about not playing nice open games of football when you are 6 games from the drop. Sure, this approach has got them a few points but the lack of plan b and the fact that most teams will whack them playing like this is just a surefire way to go down At this point,. and to be honest, i watched west ham park the bus last night and break forward at every chance. How did that turn out in terms of getting some points to stay in the league?
Blowing all your funds on useless players is not a 'well run' business. Southampton are more a good business model
Deserves a shot at a decently financed premier League club in my opinion. The job he has done at Bournemouth is outstanding followed by keeping them here so long is a credit to him. Seems like he has done what can be done at Bournemouth and hopefully gets the chance to show if he is capable of more.
Come on they’ve had a few dodgy signings but they’ve hardly spent big in comparison with other mid table clubs.
20m net last summer and 60m net the summer before is feck all. They’ve spent £100m net for the past 3 seasons.
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One thing I can’t stand about his approach is that he tanks both cups on purpose every year.
Yea, it’s an existence, but it’s a pretty boring one.
Yea, it’s an existence, but it’s a pretty boring one.
I think you’d see a different style if you gave Dyche more technical players to work with, he’s a lot more adaptable than he gets credit for. He didn’t have any of his big forwards on Monday night and they totally outplayed us in the first half, proper football as well with McNeil running the game as a number 10. Then when they got the lead they were impossible to break down...that’s a great mix for a mid-table side.
Eddie is a one trick pony, even when things are going well his teams still ship goals for fun. We couldn‘t afford to back him anywhere near as well as Bournemouth have either.
I have never subscribed to the ‘well run club’ thing with Bournemouth, they busted FFP and paid an £8m fine to get in to the PL and have continued to spend beyond their means ever since (Lerma 25m, Solanke 20m, Danjuma 16m, Billing 15m etc). They’ll be bang in trouble if Maxim Demin loses interest.
That is a lot of money for a team with an 11,000 seater stadium.
https://www.givemesport.com/1495995...e-based-on-net-spend-since-the-summer-of-2015
Yeah but not in the context of a PL team, they’re averaging around £33m a summer net on transfers and without looking I bet they have one if the lowest wage bills in the league.
The way some are going on you would think Bournemouth and Howe have blown hundreds of millions on deadwood. Unlike other clubs as well they rarely make Money on big sales, they could have sold Ake for £50 odd million but battled to keep him.
Hughton spent less and kept Brighton up for several seasons. Nobody seemed to rate him.
I'm not sure how a relegation damages his reputation. He got a tiny club into the Premier League from League 2 over 2 managerial stints. Then he kept them in the Premier League for at least 4 seasons and even came 9th.
Im not really sure what people expect him to do with Bournemouth.
I feel a bit sorry for Howe. They look awful this season and he seems out of ideas. Obviously I hope they continue to fire blanks against us on the weekend but it's a shame to see a team who played some of the best football outside the top 6 tank like this.
This
Every season he kept them up has been a minor miracle. Looks like this will be the season where it doesn't work out, but it certainly doesn't make him a bad manager now
Dyche plays with two strikers and lumps the ball towards them ever since they've been promoted. They've never scored more than 45 goals a season and one season they averaged less than a goal a game. There hasn't been too much of an evolution of football for Burnley under Dyche and not sure how much influence he has over transfers and budget or scouting for that matter.
Bournemouth have the lowest stadium capacity in the PL by a long shot. And what they did against FFP was a calculated move and looks like it didn't harm them too much in terms of losing points, rather than just money. They are spending within their means due to the TV money, doesn't mean it's good spending. And those transfers may have been amortized across multiple years, which could have been already covered by previous PL money or current/future. Regardless, those have been poor signings overall.
I think that's a good point. I have no idea how good Howe really is or what his ceiling might be. But he seems like a clever guy who can set his team up to play a good brand of football that delivers. (Even relegation is not really underperforming at Bournemouth, given their resources.) I would be interested to seeing him at a different club that has a good setup around the staff and team and a strong scouting department. So not really the English Manager model, but a job as a Coach in, for example, Germany, in BuLi 1 or 2; or do a McClaren in the Netherlands. I think that would be a good environment for him and I'd like to see what he could do there.
And then there's Sean Dyche - not a media darling as he doesn't play the 'right way' - who's 18 points better off in the league having to work with less resources than Howe. The same Dyche that has consistently finished ahead of Howe and has kept a terrible Burnley side in the PL for years now. Howe, however has media protection on his side and he's made out to be a miracle worker. It's bizarre.
For me, he's a bit of a fraud just like Marco Silva.
For me, he's a bit of a fraud just like Marco Silva.
Footballing evolutions require money to be fair. He’s spent less than a third of what Eddie Howe has, yet has taken Burnley in to Europe once already and there’s an outside chance he might do it again. Dyche isn’t fashionable but he’s a significantly better manager IMO.
He took Burnley into Europe scoring 36 goals for and 39 goals against in 17/18. He's a very effective manager in doing what's best to get results. The Ginger Mourinho tongue in cheek nickname isn't far off.
Howe is a good manager and it's evident his teams don't have the capacity to continue playing his way and that's fine, just a little stubborn not to find that medium or mix of not always looking at the performance but making sure you can get results no matter how it looks. It'd be interesting to see both managers get better opportunities as they have deserved it and earned it, but who knows if other clubs share that belief.
Howe wasn't as good as others were suggesting and he'd do well to go to another midtable club but with proper resources of a PL club.
They've conceded 124 goals in the league between this and last season. And slightly awkwardly, have been outscored by Burnley this season.
I agree but it definitely will.
I think it will for the bigger jobs but eager to see what happens with him next. Dyche took Burnley down and brought them back up again, and that’d arguably count in his favour for the clubs our size and below. How Eddie responds will be important.
Feel he’s basically let them down with some of his big transfers, he could also stop funding Liverpool’s budget by paying a ton for their garbage.
For every Ake/Wilson there’s more Gradel/Ibe/Solanke’s.
For every Ake/Wilson there’s more Gradel/Ibe/Solanke’s.
Continuing the I get absolutely dicked on by the top clubs league tradition. Their GD against the big clubs is fecking shocking.