Imagine actually thinking Kepa is better than DDG 
2019/20 Rivals - Chelsea
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They both shit its nothing to laugh about.Imagine actually thinking Kepa is better than DDG
To be honest, if they really want to win the big trophies, they will need to change all five defensive positions - GK, LB/RB (although Azpi may still have one or two years in him), and both CBs. However, it is not doable in one transfer window.
I have to say chelsea if they buy harvetz would have a strong attacking line up. Add pulisic to that and they will score plenty of goals. However I wouldn't be surprised if the trio of werner-Kai-Ziyech take some time to adjust. Challenge for Lampard is to find the right balance.
Honestly as a rival fan I would be more worried if they go and add a top class defender to their side.
Honestly as a rival fan I would be more worried if they go and add a top class defender to their side.
One of the worst announcement videos I've ever seen, it's been stuck in my head for years. The acting from the dad, the kid that clearly doesn't want to be there, the fact that the girl at the store and Rudiger are clearly filmed in two different places is all *chef's kiss*. I adore it.
So a front 6 of Kante, Kovacic, Ziyech, Havertz, Werner, Pulisic?
On paper it so it sounds strong, but I’d say it’s not any stronger than ours.
On paper it so it sounds strong, but I’d say it’s not any stronger than ours.
GK, LB, CB will need to be addressed.
Christensen, Zouma and Azpi/James are fine to start and/or be role players.
Kepa is the worst keeper in the league by a distance, he literally has no strengths and many weaknesses, his shot stopping and ball playing were meant to be good but they are both pathetic. I'm not even sure how this guy made it as professional, let alone starting for Spain and us paying £70m for him...
Oh well, i'm still very excited by the prospect of us being Glass Cannon FC next season.
Oh well, i'm still very excited by the prospect of us being Glass Cannon FC next season.
I think that will be the case. They don’t have the deep playmakers like pogba who can pass forward. Kovacic and Jorginho love a good side pass. Kante is a box to box.
I also think Werner will be surprised how deep defenders sit in this league. It’s not Germany where you often find 2 defenders against 4 attackers on the counter every week.
Kai havertz isn’t also a counter attacking threat. Chelsea like to dominate with the ball so it will also be a difficult transition for him.
I think next season will have pulisic and ziyech as key players if Chelsea succeeds. Penetrative player in pulisic and creative attacking midfielder in ziyech to provide the key passes.
They've done well. I didn't expect much from them this season but fair play. Still got hammered by Bayern so they are not a top team just yet but their signings look juicy. Lampard is a on a good thing here until they replace him with the next hot manager
I feel like a few years from now, Chelsea will be our main competitors...
Their recent signings make a lot of sense, all good players for good prices and Lampard trusts young players.
I don't like this at all.
Their recent signings make a lot of sense, all good players for good prices and Lampard trusts young players.
I don't like this at all.
He was never the best in the world, shot stopper probably, all round keeper not a chance.
*Insert Jack Wilshere meme with ok mate*
So you reckon he was a better all round keeper than Neuer? I can't wait to hear this!
How the absolute feck did someone relate your username to Sane and Rashford? That's up there with Ty on AFTV turning a question on Arsenal into a rant about Phil Brown
Well,not that we are expecting anything different from a Chelsea fan anyways. So why bother.
He’s saying he was ridiculed in a nosensical way for having the opinion Sané is better than Rashford. Anyway, agree with you on DDG, never been the best keeper in the world. There’s more to it than shot stopping.How the absolute feck did someone relate your username to Sane and Rashford? That's up there with Ty on AFTV turning a question on Arsenal into a rant about Phil Brown
Well i said the exact same about Cudicini when he was being regarded as the best keeper in the league (although that said he probably was at that point by default given Barthez then Howard, Dudek/Kirkland and a close to 40 yo Seaman followed by Lehman where the keepers at the other top teams). I kept stressing that there's a lot more to it than shot stopping and Cech will instantly take his place if we're to win the title, was called everyname under the sun for it but i stood by that and was proven right.
I can sense by the way you're expressing yourself that you are one of those people that have an opinion, will never change that opinion, and who also can't fathom that other people disagree with your immense wisdom, but hell. I'll bite.
Erm if you are talking in decades, no - DDG does not own a decade of being the best. But no one is saying that either. Did DDG have seasons from 2014-2018 where you could subjectively (all this is subjective - whether you think so or not) argue he was the best in the world in that particular season? Absolutely. The man featured in FIFAs best XI in 2018 - you might disagree with that selection, but that puts him up with some of the best at least - and by your wording you would think it's Heurelho Gomes people are bigging up. You, being a Chelsea fan, probably think Courtois that year was best - and Courtois did also win the best individual GK-award that year - which makes zero sense how the same goalkeeper didn't obtain both prizes but whatever - and that's totally fine. But you're wording it like saying DDG at one point was the best GK in the world is the strangest thing you've ever heard. I respectfully disagree, seeing his performances eg. in the 17-18 season, letting past a mere 28 league goals - and getting 18 clean sheets - with our defense. That year Neuer played 360 minutes - he shouldn't be even mentioned among the best that season on that basis.
Your way of arguing makes it out to be an absolute outlandish proposition and it objectively isn't - exactly like it isn't if you were arguing the same about Courtois, Oblak, Ter Stegen etc. - they're are all fabulous keepers who I wouldn't be all touchy saying nOooOo nOt A cHanCe - hE iS NoT tHe BesT - if a person argued he/she thought one of them was the best in a particular season.
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Okay i'd admit i was a bit overzealous with my wording but i've always assessed a keeper on his all round game, if we base it purely on shot stopping i'd probably put DDG up there with Casillas and (left field choice) Canizares as the best i've ever seen, but command of area and (in the modern day) how good you are with you're feet are just as important factors, especially at clubs looking to win titles.
That's why i was a huge fan of VDS. Rio and Vidic rightly got a lot of praise but VDS and his command of his area was just as big a factor as to why you were so stupidly good defensively, if not more so.
Chelsea can have those players all they want in those attacking positions, but their defensive shape and shape at the back when going forward has to change, in addition to their CBs and GK.
Kovacic isn't going to be in a doubt pivot with Kante. Kovacic is an 8 and loves to push forward and drive into space. That leaves Kante all alone and as much as we enjoy Kante running all over the pitch, he's always done his best work in a midfield two and having someone to stay at home while he's proactively disrupting throughout the midfield.
Kovacic isn't going to be in a doubt pivot with Kante. Kovacic is an 8 and loves to push forward and drive into space. That leaves Kante all alone and as much as we enjoy Kante running all over the pitch, he's always done his best work in a midfield two and having someone to stay at home while he's proactively disrupting throughout the midfield.
Why does every discussion with Chelsea fans end with them getting all shitty and bringing up United? It's very childish. Now it's De Gea v Kepa. Granted the former has been struggling but doesn't Kepa have the worst statistics in the PL or something. And he's the most expensive goalkeeper in the world?
Only an idiot would try and twist this.
Only an idiot would try and twist this.
They both shit. We admit it. You dont. Kepas historically bad and still ahead of de gea for spain. Says everything.
For a season lr so, yes he was. That did, however, coincide with Neuer suffering from injuries.
As @Mount's Goatieson pointed out its quite laughable you're trying to pigeonhole us into that category when it's a pretty widespread thing amount trivial fanbases. If I went in the Harry Maguire thread now and critisized him are you 100% sure not a single person would bring up our current defense? You and I both know that would be the first thing targeted in response.
Infact during the great Lukaku Vs Morata days any Chelsea fan pointing out Lukaku wasn't very good was met with (paraphrasing) "you can hardly talk you've got Morata", infact I could be wrong but I think you were one of the culprit's.
Not sure I quite followed your post. Scholes was never a hit for his natuonal team either - doesn’t mean he had better players in front of him
i can understand why ddg was not preferred because of his distribution. Problem is that Kepa is worse.
There's a key difference though. De Gea is shit at the moment. He's been fantastic for the majority of his career. For us its a question of deciding if he can recover or if he'd declined and finished. Fortunately we have Henderson and a great number two in Romero.
Kepa on the other hand has not shown anything positive in the slightest at Chelsea and also cost £75m. A world record sum for a keeper who is tied into a 7 year deal. Will he come good? Maybe. But if you don't see the difference as to why United fans will still respect and admire De Gea you have no understanding of loyalty.
Shit De Gea > any version of Kepa.
I wouldn't even dare to do straight swap between DDG & Kepa for one season only, I'll be surprised if you don't want to make the swap. DDG made mistake nowdays but at the same time he still capable and been making good saves this season, he ain't shite like Kepa who struggled to make saves (lowest save % in PL).
He has the ability to change things around. Like what Schemichel said, DDG might need time to adjust since the old United used to be poor in defense and DDG had busy time. Right now our defense been improved and rarely we let opposition to have too many chances, DDG been less busy compared to the past.
You're getting quite bad for it though and tbh it will put people off discussing anything with you in the future. We all get involved in banter but every time Chelsea are criticised you reply back with something like "well De Gea is shit" or the other day when the Chelsea deadwood and youth were mentioned you piped up suggesting Andreas, Lingard (and bizarrely) Mctominay were rubbish.
From what I recall the thing that caused the Lukaku Morata debate was many of the Chelsea fans were cock sure that Lukaku was going to Chelsea. When he snubbed them and picked United it didn't go down very well and a number of excuses came up which encouraged Wumming. It's similar with Sancho now though. It looks like he's picked United which is why Chelsea turned to Havertz. Apparently though that's not possible and Chelsea decided they weren't interested according to some of your fans. Its some strange inferiority complex I can't fathom. I was pissed off when Hazard went to you over us but I accepted it and moved on.
Anyway i don't think I'm the first person to point out how overly defensive you become. Just chill out a bit. You'll enjoy it more!
Signing someone who's not good enough just because they're better than someone else who's not good enough is the worst transfer stragedy of all time.
By the same metrics you would have took nearly any other PL winger when you had Alexis.
That's not what I said. I said swap for one season only.
Very few Chelsea fans actually wanted Lukaku, most had there heart set on Auba or hoped upon hope Conte did a u turn on Costa (although in hindsight that would have been even worse). Granted Sancho is a bit of a bummer to miss out on.
And this "defensive" thing is horseshit, few weeks ago someone made a thread saying Kante was overrated and guess what the first comment was? Me saying I agreed with large parts of what he said.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/unpopular-opinion-the-overrated-ngolo-kante.454671/
If someone says something I believe to be untrue about one of our players I will respond. I mean if I said Greenwood was the new Wright Phillips on a purple patch I imagine numerous United fans would find their "defensive" side pretty quickly.
I think that's a totally reasonable want in a goalkeeper - but the distribution factor is not for all teams and while I agree that it's a wonderful trait to possess, I don't think it’s totally and utterly essential in terms of being labeled a world class keeper. I wholeheartedly think Ter Stegen is the best goalkeeper in the world.... for Barça. Oblak, for me, is the best goalkeeper in the world.... for Madrid. Switch their clubs and both clubs would feel cheated - it all depends how the team is playing and I wouldn't say being poor with your feet disqualifies a GK from being world class - maybe for City or Barça - but Atletico? United from 2014-2018?
Oblak is not good with his feet but my god is he astonishing in the box and on the line. That's what i think one should keep in mind re. GKs. DDG is piss-poor with his feet as well. I've seen him be closer to hitting our managers than our striker from a goal kick - so it makes sense how he's never been held in high regards in the national team - I still don't think that erases his world class displays for us in said seasons where we was so often under attack, and yet conceded so few goals. He ranked 5th in the league in 17/18 on shots saved (115 shots saved) and everyone knows how it's always the shit team's GKs that tops that chart because their defenders are shit and therefore faces many shots - that's how bad our defense was, and DDG still managed to win most clean sheets that season, over Ederson (58 shots saved) and Courtois (76 shots saved). Other keeper's supposedly better all around game somehow couldn't prevent DDG from getting the most clean sheets behind an atrocious defence - to me, that screams a world class goalkeeper.
All in all: DDG was a fantastic keeper a lot of years because we were so abominably poor in the defense and he was under constant siege - and his game is great for that constant danger. VDS had to focus on 1-2 dangerous shots a game at max because of Vidic and Rio - and his concentration was built for those glimpses of danger - I don't think DDG is (he seems sleepy when the danger emerges) and now he looks mediocre at best imo.
For me this discussion isn't about Kepa vs. DDG - but how we view keepers in general. So while I understand your and the modern game's focus on distribution and passing range for keepers, I don't think that lacking in those traits should disqualify labelling such a GK world class, if he/she absolute flourishes in other aspects of the game - like said Oblak. All the best
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You're best responding with why you disagree though as opposed to going "well De Gea is shit" or at least we don't have Mctominay or whatever other rubbish which is clearly designed to get a reaction and is nonsense.
Billy Gilmour out for the rest of the season with a knee injury apparently.
When you read the headline "season ending injury" it sounds horrific, but you remember then there is only 4 games left haha.
Would much rather Jorginho there anyway being totally honest, little too lightweight at the moment is gilmour
And what has that to do with DDG ? Irrelevant!
Except spain have a choice between the two and pick kepa