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pretty funny
Can't understand how anyone has been conned by financial "fair play".
UEFA and the regulations themselves are the bad guys here.
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They 100% knew about it. City raised it at CAS in the first appeal for one. Plus, the lawyers involved in the CFCB are very senior experienced European lawyers, so there’s no way they missed it. Clearly, they either thought that they could make a compelling enough case that persuaded CAS to overlook the time-barred aspect (that would have to be based on proving deception by City I believe in reaching the earlier settlements), or decided they had to bring a case they expected to lose anyway due to political pressure.UEFA have come out of this looking worse (and more incompetent) than anyone, given that they didn't seem to understand their own rules, especially the time bar ones.
UEFA knew this case was a loser. They have a team some of the best & most expensive lawyers available. To think that these lawyers would have missed the fact that the City infractions were time barred is laughable.UEFA have come out of this looking worse (and more incompetent) than anyone, given that they didn't seem to understand their own rules, especially the time bar ones.
How so?UEFA and the regulations themselves are the bad guys here.
Happy new year!
As they tried to get them banned I would imagine they will.City have just proved they are bigger than UEFA.
I wonder whether City fans will continue to boo the CL anthem?
God bless. Now get them off their perch.
yeah I think that will be the case... I wonder how UEFA officials will react if they get a City Vs PSG champions league final and have to clap them and give them medals at the endAs they tried to get them banned I would imagine they will.
He must've said it. Maybe in the embargoed part.Happy new year!
For City I don't know but Al Khelaifi is part of the UEFA executive committee. So I don't think that PSG and City should be mixed.yeah I think that will be the case... I wonder how UEFA officials will react if they get a City Vs PSG champions league final and have to clap them and give them medals at the end
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Its an interesting idea but I don't think big clubs would allow anything less personally. Anything that lowers the ceiling makes the game fairer for sure though and players less likely to be snatched away. My thinking behind an individual cap is, would say De Jong, De Ligt have been away from Ajax so quickly could Ajax say to them "We can match what you'll earn at Barca, Juve and we've just been in the CL semi finals.". Would Bayern be constantly able to hoover up the best in the BL if Dortmund could match their max wage offer.
Poor Bacelona would be Messi and a bunch of part timers.
The fine is unrelated to the outcome. City supposedly stopped cooperating with UEFA because they believed they were going through an unfair investigation not based on facts. The club appealed to CAS much earlier in the process about this but it was rejected on the basis there was no judgement yet to appeal against. Josè will be Josè though, as you know.
Jose does have a point.
If you are not guilty, you're not guilty, why even get a fine?
He does not have a point, and like many who comment on the matter, he has no grasp of even the basic details. UEFA charged City for disguising equity funding as sponsorship and failing to cooperate with the investigation. CAS rejected the former claim. Straight away, that means the punishment must be lesser than originally handed down, agreed? It’s the main charge dismissed. However, they accepted the latter charge, and deemed a smaller fine to be an appropriate punishment. So City were found guilty by CAS of a lesser charge (Mourinho clearly has not read the very short verdict released), but were cleared on the claims of more egregious breaches.
Jose does have a point.
If you are not guilty, you're not guilty, why even get a fine?
United haven’t finished above City since 2013. The two players you mention were 16 and 13 the last time it happened.It would take more than a salary cap to stop you lot if you wanted de Jong or de Ligt. You’d employ your favourite trick of telling them they were coming to Manchester and they’d think it was United. Worked before. If that failed, the offshore account/brown envelope would fix it. They don’t go to City because of the Shaun Goater heritage.
United haven’t finished above City since 2013. The two players you mention were 16 and 13 the last time it happened.
Zzzz.. good effort.It would take more than a salary cap to stop you lot if you wanted de Jong or de Ligt. You’d employ your favourite trick of telling them they were coming to Manchester and they’d think it was United. Worked before. If that failed, the offshore account/brown envelope would fix it. They don’t go to City because of the Shaun Goater heritage.
Its for the history they'd go. You know how Liverpool won all those titles before Klopp and post Dalglish because all the best players in the world signed for the prestige.United haven’t finished above City since 2013. The two players you mention were 16 and 13 the last time it happened.
You're aware that most of the charges were time barred and hence you got away on that technicality, right? The judges said you can't be punished because your alleged wrongdoing was beyond the statute of limitations, they didn't actually clear you of those charges. And they were time barred because you refused to cooperate when you should have, hence your fine.He does not have a point, and like many who comment on the matter, he has no grasp of even the basic details. UEFA charged City for disguising equity funding as sponsorship and failing to cooperate with the investigation. CAS rejected the former claim. Straight away, that means the punishment must be lesser than originally handed down, agreed? It’s the main charge dismissed. However, they accepted the latter charge, and deemed a smaller fine to be an appropriate punishment. So City were found guilty by CAS of a lesser charge (Mourinho clearly has not read the very short verdict released), but were cleared on the claims of more egregious breaches.
Exactly. I hate when people make that stupid argument that FFP is anti-competitive. PSG and City have won several titles between them under it so how would removing it help competition?So the answer to football's closed-shop problem is to allow smaller clubs to break the rules?
There will always be big clubs in football, like in any sport. But by allowing entire countries to take over football clubs, we're just replacing one form of elitism with another. And the new one is even less fair than the old one.
In sport, as in life, there are always people who will do whatever it takes to win. In sport Ben Johnson cheated his way to an olympic gold. Lance Armstong cheated his way to 7 TDF titles. I personally don't understand it. If i'm playing competitive sport it never crosses my mind to cheat as i know that my conscience would tell me that the win was tainted in turn making it worthless. I don't for 1 minute think that when Johnson & Armstrong stood on their respective podiums they thought they were anything but winners. They would view me as a chump for sticking to the rules whereas i view them as cheats for breaking them.I have a hard time understanding why players want to play for a club like PSG or City, where one can suspect that one's salary comes from questionable places, and that your club probably does not comply with the common rules of fair play, even if they do not get a verdict.
NO. Just no.If we're not involved in it next season, I'd rather Liverpool win #20 than City at this stage, to be honest. At least they're a proper footballing club.
How is entrenching the same clubs at the top of football forever "fair play" ?How so?
Ive been of that opinion for a few years now tbh. I rather a proper team win it, even if its our biggest rivals. Atleast they did things the right way under the same rules as us and have matched us for which i say fair play. A financially doped team is like rooting for a guy on steroids going to a Natural Bodybuilding competition. Makes no sense to meIf we're not involved in it next season, I'd rather Liverpool win #20 than City at this stage, to be honest. At least they're a proper footballing club.
I think you're spot on there. Some people are ok with doing anything possible to win. its more about winning for them than it is about enjoying the nature of competition. The later is some one who enjoys hard competition but respects the rules and is of the mentality "may the better man win" whilst people who only care about winning are more likely to seek each and all advantage they can get which can be legal or illegal.In sport, as in life, there are always people who will do whatever it takes to win. In sport Ben Johnson cheated his way to an olympic gold. Lance Armstong cheated his way to 7 TDF titles. I personally don't understand it. If i'm playing competitive sport it never crosses my mind to cheat as i know that my conscience would tell me that the win was tainted in turn making it worthless. I don't for 1 minute think that when Johnson & Armstrong stood on their respective podiums they thought they were anything but winners. They would view me as a chump for sticking to the rules whereas i view them as cheats for breaking them.
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Before FFP was introduced, the collective deficit of European top clubs was over 1 billion euros. In the last reporting period, they were overall running at a profit.How is entrenching the same clubs at the top of football forever "fair play" ?
They could actually make football fair, if they wanted to. The rules just pander to entrenched vested interests, old money clubs.
Posted earlier in thread also, can't be bothered to quote myself.