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Jose Mourinho | Spurs manager
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
The salt.Bid for Willian incoming
I can live with being lucky.
I wouldn't be upset with that if it happened.
Spurs have had luck too.
They're just shit.
They're just shit.
Luckily, we're so lucky that we made our own good lucks.
Yeah we have been very lucky this year with losing all our main attacking players for a large chunk of the season. With luck like that I think I'd prefer to be unlucky.
We are lucky that Mourinho put down so great foundations. He bought Matic,Bailly, Lindelöf and Pogba. Laid the foundations for getting Maguire by wanting him.
Called Shaw out for being fat and turned him into a world beater. Developed Martial and Rashford by pushing them against each other on the wings.
Made Lingard perform like a world beater that we still see the fruit off. Brought in Mctominay and bought Fred too.
Also paved the way for Greenwood and Williams getting the chance by putting his faith in the youth.
Clearly Ole has lucked his way into a world class squad only needing minor tweaks?
Called Shaw out for being fat and turned him into a world beater. Developed Martial and Rashford by pushing them against each other on the wings.
Made Lingard perform like a world beater that we still see the fruit off. Brought in Mctominay and bought Fred too.
Also paved the way for Greenwood and Williams getting the chance by putting his faith in the youth.
Clearly Ole has lucked his way into a world class squad only needing minor tweaks?
He's talking about being lucky with VAR decisions so I don't know why you're going on about injuries.
But now that you've brought it up we had Pogba missing for 80% of the season and Martial and Rashford both missed a couple of months each.
Oh you mean the VAR that has cost us at least 2 goals since the restart? Yeah really lucky.
Now who is salty?
What about your opening goal against West Ham which should have been disallowed for handball?
Was that not a bit of luck?
Need him to turn into prime Jose and smash Leicester.
Using the XG, XGA and XP are a really useful way of looking how well a team is evolving. I predicted us to finish above Arsenal and Spurs solely based on last season's metrics which had us at 10 points better off than them.
That's partly why I'm sure Spurs and Arsenal are stuck where they are for the foreseeable, they're not only down there but are even overperforming their metrics which suggests they are susceptible to dropping even lower.
It was sarcasm, but most of it is true. He did buy the players I mentioned and wanted Maguire too.
Rashford and Martial did develop on the wing, but not as fast and much as we would have hoped for.
Lingard played well for him too.
Faith in youth was minimal though, but he did bring in Mctominay.
It's not though is it.
He probably thinks Pogba and Martial being out injured was us getting the rub of the green.
Look with VAR I generally think it evens itself out in the end for most teams. I'm just enjoying Jose's shit.
Salty little man. Complaining about his injuries but forgetting how we had Pogba out for most of the season. How Martial and Rashford took turns to go out injured and Luke Shaw was also injured.
Imagine missing Kane for how long we missed Pogba and they had be struggling.
I just hope and pray we continue to improve and leave him and his club so far away.
Imagine missing Kane for how long we missed Pogba and they had be struggling.
I just hope and pray we continue to improve and leave him and his club so far away.
Being efficient is still a skill though. Being able to grind out wins another one. Arsenal and Spurs dropped like crazy last season, but so did we near the end.
Dominate and not giving away chances even when you can afford it is still the best football. Although it is not certain to win you things.
City play more like that and goes for big wins.
Alli's goal against Villa which he clearly handled.
I'll be cheering you on next game don't you worry.
I have nothing against Tottenham really anyway.
Not a big Mourinho fan and I like seeing Glaston upset but other than that Spurs don't bother me.
That presser actually pissed me off, and I didn’t even watch it. Probably irritated that he is utterly washed up and that Ole has cleaned up so much of his mess already.
The viruses
The bitterness is ripping out of him!
Just concentrate on beating Leicester José.
Just concentrate on beating Leicester José.
Smash and grab against Leicester would be more prime Jose.
Grinding out/shithousing wins is good in isolated circumstances but if it keeps happening over a period of time it's a matter of when not if results catch up with you.
I'm not basing what I'm saying on teams playing defensive football, I'm basing it more on when they play shit for ages (around half a season) but still win in the short term, it's a myth that that's a good sign in terms of the bigger picture.
Nothing is true.
Salty for what? That a outdated git is managing might Spurs?
Defending for your lives near the end all the time is not a good sign. Although if you get a goal ahead and still controll the game without creating much yourself it can still show dominance.
Wolves is a side that master that art fairly well, but Burnley got one against them late anyway recently .
My point is you don't need to smash it in terms of goals or xG to deserve the wins. Being efficient in attack and defending well could work out well.
Also if you chase a game and waste medium chances it doesn't mean you deserve the win particular not for a big side. It can be part of the other sides plan to allow certain chances.
Most of this is nonsense. Buying those players is pointless when you get nothing out of them. He had Pogba desperate to leave, same with Martial. He didn’t even want Fred and when he got him he looked like a non-league player. He couldn’t get Rashford and Martial playing together and kept rotating them, hardly a masterclass in development when everyone ended up miserable as a result of his management. Ole got a tune out of Shaw, and it was because of Ole bringing in Williams for competition that sorted him out, Mourinho nearly ruined him too. Another year of Jose would have left us a mid-table side.
1-0 wins are rarely ever comfortable, and more often than not, you are likely to lose control over the game. Wolves haven't mastered that art of 1-0. Its just that they score a majority of their goals in the latter part of the game and hence they're able to hang on (11 of their 49 goals were scored in last 15 mins, 24 of their 49 in last half hour) for the win.
Coming to your next point, is there any side in the world that is 'efficient' relative to their xG ? Teams have outperformed their xG over a season or 2 at max, but it more often than not comes back to actual numbers.
And there is no side in the world that would allow the opposition to have medium difficulty chances as part of their game plan ffs! At max, they'd have a deep defensive line and force the attackers to shoot from outside the box, but those chances can't be termed medium difficulty chances!
Most? I'd say all of that is trash
Here I supplement with another set of data - points and expected points. As you can see, in the more successful seasons Mourinho had (14/15, 17/18, and arguably this season), his team always got significantly more points than expected. When his tactic didn't work and he got a similar point as expected, it was already bad enough to get him sacked (18/19). His negative playstyle is just simply unfavorable for him in these stats. Refer to the "Tiki Taka vs Counter Attack" section to this thread if you are interested.
| Season (League position) | PTS | xPTS | Difference |
|---|---|---|---|
14/15 (1) | 87 | 75.32 | -11.68 |
15/16 after 16 games (16) | 15 | 22.88 | +7.88 |
16/17 (6) | 69 | 70.89 | +1.89 |
17/18 (2) | 81 | 62.33 | -18.67 |
18/19 after 17 games (6) | 26 | 23.92 | -2.08 |
19/20 recent 24 games (4) | 41 | 32.37 | -8.63 |
They have mastered that art fairly well Wolves. The number of narrow wins they get is insane.
Liverpool have shown to master it as well. They can still waste good chances with Firmino playing etc, but they had a knack of getting the goals when they needed them.
We will see if they can carry on that now without crowd that we might see at the start of next season.
We used to have that under SAF too. Could play like crap, but then turn it around late and did it time after time again.
I think just looking at xG for a game might blind you for how the game went. I guess if you look at all the chances and when they did happen you get a better view and xG is relevant then.
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Wouldn't put it past him to purposely sabotage his teams tactics against Leicester just to try and make united miss out on champions league football out of spite.
His digs don't even have bite anymore.