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Literally everyone-

Real could spend after not doing it for an year and they need a right sided player to compete against their kid - Rodrygo.

Chelsea - they could upgrade CHO based on how this season goes.

City - Aguero's last year and Sancho could very well play through middle.

Barca - Suarez ,Dembele and Coutinho could leave and they are going to sign someone.

PSG - let's conveniently assume Sancho wouldn't go there.

Feck 20m if he is as talented as everyone think and just pay it off. It's just not worth it. If we dont get CL next season (going by our points this season, its probable), then he wouldn't come to us.
Their players are taking paycuts. Cheaper alternatives will be available from clubs who need to sale. Hell Chelsea backed off and will sign 3 top class alternatives instead.
Teams have supposedly been lining up next year for Sancho for the past 3 summers.
We have faced 3 months of Corona and we have Juve and Barxlca doing weird player exchanges with Bayern and Madrid not signing anybody during the summer.
Nobody has any money. Liverpool are broke and theyve cleaned up over the last 2 years.
And they are only options if he decides he doesn't want back in England after all.
It just doesnt make sense at any level. I can only imagine the carnage if there isnt a sign of a vaccine next summet and its anothet season of losses.
The football world doesn't revolve around a Dortmund vacum. We have already seen the reality
 

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New season starts in September. If we want to improve on last season, we need 2/3 players in, given 1 player takes 6 weeks to sign, no we do not have time.

If Sancho is the only player you want, then sure plenty of time.
:lol: I can sense the panic in your words. It’ll all be fine.
 

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Believe the difference is more than that.

We have drawn our line in the sand at around 70mil which is quite fair.
We could add Lingard or other shit players as makeweight for Dortmund, I wonder whether it was discussed
 

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New season starts in September. If we want to improve on last season, we need 2/3 players in, given 1 player takes 6 weeks to sign, no we do not have time.

If Sancho is the only player you want, then sure plenty of time.
Been reported plenty of times we have been talking to the agents of different players. So clearly we are not solely focused on the Sancho deal.

I dont expect much to happen until after the Europa league
 

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They would have done it earlier than that.
Laughable isn't it how some people think transfers are conducted. That Manchester United are gathered around a TV to watch what Zorc will say. Ed Woodward said recently that people should not expect United to spend like before. That is the reality of the situation.
 

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:lol: I can sense the panic in your words. It’ll all be fine.
I am not worried about the Sancho deal.

I am more worried about any other deals we might try. I can see the Sancho deal dragging on for another couple of weeks.

I want to see 2 signings before the start of next season.
 

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Been reported plenty of times we have been talking to the agents of different players. So clearly we are not solely focused on the Sancho deal.

I dont expect much to happen until after the Europa league
This is a recurring thing :lol: :lol:

Don't expect anything to happen until the end of season
Dont expect nothing until after Europa

So what if we win it? 21st August, sign Sancho then 3 weeks later the season starts?

Which players are we talking to? enlighten me?
 

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Heck, even sometimes you get clubs selling to the club offering a lower transfer fee because the player would only accept to go to one of the clubs.
Exactly. No matter how many clubs are prepared to pay huge fee, they all will be filtered when they can't agree personal terms with player, which usually happens before agreeing fee with club.
 

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Yes but all these clubs wouldn’t make us back down from competing with them all. Also, Sancho wants to come back to England. Let’s say he can be convinced otherwise, most of these aforementioned clubs are also reaching a point where a rebuild is needed except Chelsea.

But knowing our project is young and promising, Sancho will have an equally hard time rejecting us and the wages we’ll offer. We’ve done it before with Sanchez and this time we’ll be taking such a risk on a 20 year old generational talent.

It’s not all that bad to wait a year if we really have to. I see us getting him this summer only but just putting things into perspective for you.

Also - just for arguments sake, Real, City & Barca would make least sense anyways. Real want Mbappe, also safe to say Sancho will never pick city over us or chelsea even. While Barca can have an easier time saying they’ll conveniently move on Coutinho, Dembele and suarez and buy Sancho all in one window but it’s easier said then done. They couldn’t move Coutinho last summer for Neymar and can’t seem to make room for Martinez this summer either. I also agree that he’ll never go to PSG even if they did have space for him after selling Mbappe.

Any club that enters the race next year will have a tough time matching our financial package for Sancho to begin with. You can also add our project being more promising then others with a young core that will be successful for the next decade potentially and not a couple years or so before needing the rebuild I was talking about.
The point is, they all are more than capable to match our wages. Transfer fees would be less with one year left.

And this is all assuming we get top 4 and I wouldn’t be that confident next year.
 

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Kebab pizza, "kebab roll", "kebab in bread"... don't know if there's a direct translation for those... if you ever visit Sweden, you must try any of those (preferably all of them). Imagine the joy you'd feel if Sancho signed for us... you'd feel the same when eating any of those!
On topic now: Get it done Ed ffs!
Kebab pizza :drool:
 

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The point is, they all are more than capable to match our wages. Transfer fees would be less with one year left.

And this is all assuming we get top 4 and I wouldn’t be that confident next year.
That’s my point though. They may match our offer just for us to up our offer a notch or two.

You mean you’re not confident we’ll make top 4 next season?? You do realize we made 3rd without Bruno, Pogba, Martial, Rashford not available for all or major parts of the first half of the season? Let’s also remember Greenwood didn’t become a starter till the lockdown didn’t end. Have a word with yourself mate :lol:
 

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He was literally the one banging in about the deadline from the start, as this progresses I’m more and more certain Dortmund have briefed the likes of him and Falk to put info out to put pressure on us to pay what they want and how they want. They’re desperate

 

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Typical Redcafe going mental because 2 weeks into a 2 month and a bit window and there have been no signings. There is 2 months of the transfer window left ffs. The other big clubs haven't signed players that their parent clubs wanted to/could keep.

With Chelsea they signed Ziyech before the Covid situation happened and Werner had a release clause. City signed Torres who has came out and said that Valencia didn't give him what he wanted so he was gone and it sounds like they need any kind of money so they could get him at a cut price. I feel like Ake had a gentlemens agreement with Bournemouth that if they were relegated they'd accept a good offer for him as he'd probably run his contract down otherwise.

Sancho is really the only player where the club has a heavy bargaining chip and you would want to keep at all costs.
 

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This is a recurring thing :lol: :lol:

Don't expect anything to happen until the end of season
Dont expect nothing until after Europa

So what if we win it? 21st August, sign Sancho then 3 weeks later the season starts?

Which players are we talking to?
enlighten me?
We won't be starting this season then if we win it. Clubs in the competition may start the PL season late

I'm not expecting us to sign anyone as usual before our pre season camp actually starts

No idea, but its been reported that we have been in discussions with the agents of 2 young CBs, we are also attempting to sell players (who likely won't leave until after the Europa League also)
 

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That’s my point though. They may match our offer just for us to up our offer a notch or two.

You mean you’re not confident we’ll make top 4 next season?? You do realize we made 3rd without Bruno, Pogba, Martial, Rashford not available for all or major parts of the first half of the season? Let’s also remember Greenwood didn’t become a starter till the lockdown didn’t end. Have a word with yourself mate :lol:
I have my own reasons to believe we may not get top 4 next year without a major signing in attack - thats a whole different topic though.

Its too risky to leave this signing for next year. Just pay it off.
 

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And if Greenwood/Martial get injured, we gonna go back to Dan fecking James and Lingard.
Pretty certain United have other offensive options on the cards if this deal doesn't got through.
Its not Sancho or nothing. :lol:
 

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Believe the difference is more than that.

We have drawn our line in the sand at around 70mil which is quite fair.
I don’t think United is ever getting a top3 talent in world football at £70M when there’s precedents like Felix and Dembele. Covid or no Covid. In fact it’s not even just talent/future promise, Sancho is rightly one of the best in the world in his position already.

If £70M is as far as we’re willing to go then I guess I gotta come to terms with him ending up and shining somewhere else and years of “smh, should have paid what they asked” posts
 

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This is a recurring thing :lol: :lol:

Don't expect anything to happen until the end of season
Dont expect nothing until after Europa

So what if we win it? 21st August, sign Sancho then 3 weeks later the season starts?

Which players are we talking to? enlighten me?
You should chill a bit. The non-big deals are always done quite quickly even by us.
 

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We could add Lingard or other shit players as makeweight for Dortmund, I wonder whether it was discussed
If anything that will help them increase the price. You're looking at 180m if you add Lingard.
 

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There is a reasonable chance that the entire next season will be played behind closed doors meaning the clubs turnover takes a hammering. Paying 120m for a 20 year old from a different league in that context is crazy in my view. Yes he might be best player in world in next few years but there is also a chance that he might end up being sh1t.

I'll be over the moon if we sign him for a fee that reflects the new economic reality that the entire world is now operating under. We are going to look like the worlds most stupidly run club yet again if we pay what Dortmund are currently asking which does not take account of the impact of covid 19.

Dortmund can get stuffed if a 1000% profit on a player they have had for only 3 years isn't enough for them.
Posts like this, littered throughout the thread, make no sense to me. We're the ones who want to buy; the seller sets the terms. At what point in that process do you think the buyer has the right to throw a hissy fit or start calling shots?

If there is give and thus room to operate in, sure, try your luck, otherwise, you look like a chancer from a flea market coming into an upmarket establishment trying to haggle when there was never any hope of it coming off.

The notion it's this summer of bust for Dortmund with one of the most coveted assets in football, outright, is wishful thinking. Next summer, Sancho could have had a storming Euros and yet another stellar season with his club. There will also be a probability of all the big names having moved or being in the process of doing so, and by big names, I mean players from clubs who are viable destinations with the kind of money it takes to bring a 9-figure player in.

We can gamble on Dortmund salivating and being desperate for the money whilst saying we'll walk away, but it doesn't mean much, Covid world or not. Sancho is an appreciating asset, with a fair portion of his worth revolving around his age and the fact, even with his absurd output, there's room for growth. He could fairly be worth more next summer than he is now that being a third stellar season in a row plus an outstanding Euros easily offsets the number of years then left on his contract. Dortmund's hands aren't tied, and it is so odd to read post after post where people sincerely believe we hold all the aces here and should be shot-callers when it's simply not the case.

I can't really get with the supposed roller-coaster this is for some people, even though I believe Sancho to be the best possible signing we could make, even in an open market. I also doubt we have any intention of calling this off and the deal will be concluded, but these ultimatum and posturing posts don't make an iota of sense to me. The only time you make those kind of statements is when you're genuinely prepared to walk away - walking away from the best possible talent we could buy would be inherently stupid and self-defeating and I don't see why people think it'll be a dagger to the heart for Dortmund should we in fact do so - sans having a disgruntled kid on their books... ultimately, it'd be seen as United not valuing him enough to pay up.

Anyway, I believe the impasse, if there is one, is about structure of the deal not the amount we will end up paying in total for the player.
 

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Just sell Daniel James to make up the £10M difference
I mean thats not entirely crazy, I know youre just playing but ya maybe we should have sold some dead wood to make up the difference and be done with it. Easier said than done obviously.
Like had we sold Smalling for like 15 mil and maybe Lingard for about 10, voila. We unloaded Alexis too.
I know it seems fairly simplistic but hey if we really want Sancho that bad..
 

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I'd love Dortmund to say "Sancho stays" today, just for the meltdown on here.
I prefer your earlier material.
Laughable isn't it how some people think transfers are conducted. That Manchester United are gathered around a TV to watch what Zorc will say. Ed Woodward said recently that people should not expect United to spend like before. That is the reality of the situation.
Quite a worrying statement when you think even last season was "Only" an 80m net spend or so wasn't it?

So he's either learnt from his mad "we can do things other clubs can't" nonsense, or they're urgently trying to ship a whole stack of players out to afford Sancho.
 

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This is destined to end with us paying the full asking price on deadline day.

I do wish we could have got this done quickly, and strengthened other areas of the team, but it’s looking increasingly likely he will be our only signing.
 
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