1. Buy 30 year old Pjanic
2. Spend the next two months chasing Neymar and offering ridiculous money for him
3. ?????
4. Profit
2. Spend the next two months chasing Neymar and offering ridiculous money for him
3. ?????
4. Profit
How do Barcelona rebuild?
- Thread starter Bojan11
- Start date
Yes, Klopp also said he will never spend big money on single player then went on to sign VVD and Alisson for big money.
They don't until they didn't. If Mbappe wants to join City, do you think City won't spend 100 million on him?
They are a mess. They’ve been making bad moves in the transfer market the last few years and it’s coming back to bite them.
Theyve got a potential front 3 of Dembele, Griezmann and Coutinho who cost them about 400m, and none of whom are starters.
Theyve got a potential front 3 of Dembele, Griezmann and Coutinho who cost them about 400m, and none of whom are starters.
Hmmmm...Messi having so much power is actually on the board and manager
so people are right to blame themThis has been coming for a while.
As great as Messi is, his utter refusal to take part in any defensive phase means the top teams will exploit it time and again.
We've seen first hand from City and Pool that you need all 11 players working in unison against the top sides.
The writing was on the wall as soon as the team and formation was announced yesterday. Vidal and Sergi Roberto out wide with Messi and Suarez stuck up top, basically a walking pace 442 that was never going to be able to counter, and due to lack of numbers in central midfield was never going to be able to play possession football.
As great as Messi is, his utter refusal to take part in any defensive phase means the top teams will exploit it time and again.
We've seen first hand from City and Pool that you need all 11 players working in unison against the top sides.
The writing was on the wall as soon as the team and formation was announced yesterday. Vidal and Sergi Roberto out wide with Messi and Suarez stuck up top, basically a walking pace 442 that was never going to be able to counter, and due to lack of numbers in central midfield was never going to be able to play possession football.
Losing 2-8 is definitely embarrassing but imo things are not bad as it seems. They still have many world class players. Imo the biggest problem is their top management. They'll have to start from that. Their board is clearly clueless af, even worse than ours. 1st thing they need is a new president and a new DoF. Then a new coach who knows what he's doing. Then give that coach enough power to handle the dressing room. Then cut off the deadwoods and stop those 100m deals. Ah and their fans need to stop worship Messi as they currently do as well. So the coach could bench Messi if necessary without thinking about losing his job.
Imo if they do things right they'll get back to the top quite fast. Just look at Bayern under Kovac and Flick.
Imo if they do things right they'll get back to the top quite fast. Just look at Bayern under Kovac and Flick.
Messi by far. Ronaldo without a midfield gets even earlier exits in CL to inferior teams. Not even Ronaldo’s fault but at least Messi would provide playmaking and scoring.
I won't believe it until I see it. City will buy 100m+ players eventually, but not in the near future...I think City will break their transfer record bit by bit, 70m, 80m, 90m. At least that's their transfer trend up to now.
They should start by bringing David Moyes in on a 6 year contract.
Yes, the PR thing works like a charm. "Pep or Money" thing.
They paid 70 million for a midfielder like Rodri, you think they won't spend 100 million if good attacking player is available?
It has nothing to do with transfer policy, it's all about squad needs. Right now the don't need 100 million player.
Which is why I think that Pep is not all that great. Maybe once he picks a job where we can see if I am right.
Well, I don't particularly care about Barca, but from what I have seen they have problems at Board level, the manager is not good nor has any real power in the dressing room, and the team is filled with overpaid past it players who have a sense of laziness creeping in them.
Plenty to improve on, but I really don't have any pity for them. They did this to themselves.
Plenty to improve on, but I really don't have any pity for them. They did this to themselves.
They can begin the rebuild by selling Dembele to us for 30 mio. It will show to the world that they have strong resolve and they mean business. While they are at it, they can also loan Messi to us to help in the rebuild process in the interim, and as a goodwill gesture, pay his loan wages too. As quid pro quo, we will provide them with Jones, Rojo and Perreira - for free.
Better recruitment. Sanchez was our worst deal ever, but even that was only on a free. Over a slightly longer time frame, they’ve made 3 considerably worse deals. There needs to be a cataclysmic change over there, or they’ll become Arsenal.
Aside from a personnel revamp, the next coach needs to address the Messi's position in the team by that I mean when the team has the ball and when it doesn't.
When Barca is on the ball Messi needs to learn to move more without it and create space for his team mates to take own more responsibility this will add another dimension to their attack. Their current system renders the big money signings like Coutinho, Griezmann, Dembele useless as a big part of their game requires them to be on the ball.
When Barca is off the ball Messi has to put some effort in at least covering spaces, playing with 10 men defensively is a big disadvantage in this era, everyone has to do something.
When Barca is on the ball Messi needs to learn to move more without it and create space for his team mates to take own more responsibility this will add another dimension to their attack. Their current system renders the big money signings like Coutinho, Griezmann, Dembele useless as a big part of their game requires them to be on the ball.
When Barca is off the ball Messi has to put some effort in at least covering spaces, playing with 10 men defensively is a big disadvantage in this era, everyone has to do something.
Get rid of all those has-beens on high wages who start every game because they're Amigos FC - Pique, Busquets, Suarez. Plus Vidal and Rakitic.
They are lucky Mourinho is currently managing spurs. He'll buy their OAP's. Conte too.
If City sign Messi it has to be a free transfer so they can pay him huge sign-on bonus (probably up to £80m) to compensate for the difference in wages.
I would argue tika taka without Lionel Messi ends up looking a bit like we did under Louis van Gaal
You don't create enough chances without an utter genius to make magic out of a defence that's had time to set up shape
Messi made that entire system work, without him it ends up with a lot of 0-0's and 1-0 defeats through counter attacks
Yup. They can also sell frenkie de jong for 20mil to us after this shambolic performance. They need top players like suarez, griezman, pique in new long term contract because they need the experience in difficult times.
We could offer them a swap deal.
I have to say considering the amount of people who put Ter Stegan in their world 11 teams, I thought he was absolutely shocking. I stand by, you can never truly judge a Barcelona keeper as their control of the game often limits opportunities on goal. I think back to even Peps team and Valdez was nothing more than average, followed by Bravo who is one of the worst keepers I've seen. Ter Stegan is better than those two, but it makes me realize how much better De Gea was at his peak. Prime De Gea and Bayern score half of those goals yesterday.
Sanchez wasn’t a free transfer. Jesus.
Pep might go back as sporting director
To be fair to Pep, Messi wasn't the same player he eventually became when Pep took over. He came in and got rid of Decu, Ronaldinho, Zambrotta, Yaya, and a few other fairly prominent players, promoted players like Busquets, Jeffren, Pedro, etc., bought a few like Pique, Hleb, Alves, Keita, etc. and changed the tactics completely. Most people thought it was crazy and it'll never work, especially after they lost their first La Liga game. He turned it all around and got them to play in a system that works, converted Messi into a GOAT false 9, formed a midfield pairing that became the best in the world, and took over football for a few years.
In short, he made a lot of drastic changes and rebuilt a first team, so he definitely deserves credit for that job. He's also made City a lot stronger than they ever were, although he's spent quite a bit of money to do it. I'd agree about a less than stellar performance as Bayern coach though.
1. Dembele and Fati, no brainer really. Pace and youth.
2. Griezmann at CAM.
3. Sell Coutinho, Vidal, Jordi Alba, Rakitic and Busquets, plus the rest of their useless oldies.
4. Messi as false ST.
5. Suarez as super-sub.
6. Get another player to be their starting midfield eg. VDV.
7. Change their whole system and best 11 lineup.
8. Get a new fresh LB.
9. Get a new fresh young CB replacing Pique.
10. Get Lingard.
2. Griezmann at CAM.
3. Sell Coutinho, Vidal, Jordi Alba, Rakitic and Busquets, plus the rest of their useless oldies.
4. Messi as false ST.
5. Suarez as super-sub.
6. Get another player to be their starting midfield eg. VDV.
7. Change their whole system and best 11 lineup.
Ansu Fati - Messi - Dembele
Griezzmann
VDV - De Jong
??? - Umtiti - Pique - Semedo
Ter Stegen
Subs: Suarez, Lenglet
Griezzmann
VDV - De Jong
??? - Umtiti - Pique - Semedo
Ter Stegen
Subs: Suarez, Lenglet
8. Get a new fresh LB.
9. Get a new fresh young CB replacing Pique.
10. Get Lingard.
Barcelona don't need to rebuild, they have the players. What they lack is good coaching and stop being Messi FC which isn't how they found success, Barcelona's success has always been down to being the better team not the better collection of individuals. Now they do need to bring one player per line, a CB, a playmaker in midfield and an attacker with speed and ideally more power.
Love this. Now playing them on FM seems like it's a fair challenge
Bartomeu has to go, and their next president has to be a non-politico. More emphasis on the sporting side of things if you will. I believe that sooner, rather than later Guardiola will have the job, but maybe not just yet.
Setién obviously has to go but I think it's the time to let go of Messi too. His salary is a huge anchor for Barcelona's finances and he's done all that he could down there.
Build up from de Jong and Stegen. Bring la Masia more into play and be more efficient in the transfer market, less superstar purchases and more pieces to fit a managers technical scheme.
Setién obviously has to go but I think it's the time to let go of Messi too. His salary is a huge anchor for Barcelona's finances and he's done all that he could down there.
Build up from de Jong and Stegen. Bring la Masia more into play and be more efficient in the transfer market, less superstar purchases and more pieces to fit a managers technical scheme.
You love to see it.
They’ll be fine if they get PED Guardiola back in.
They’ll be fine if they get PED Guardiola back in.
Trincao, Ansu Fati, Puig, De Jong, Dembele
Make them central to the technical project next season and go from there
Goes without saying they need to punt Nobita into the sun first
Make them central to the technical project next season and go from there
Goes without saying they need to punt Nobita into the sun first
Great post. I think the legend of Messi has blinkered a lot of people's opinions on Barcelona's stature as a football club.
I stayed 4 years in Barcelona, and most of the locals actually recognise how much of their success and stature they owe to Messi. Barca have always been the 2nd biggest Spanish club, but they don't really see themselves as a European juggernaut prior to Messi.
It's mainly the internet generation, which coincided with Messi's rise, and most of them are foreign fans which actually perceive Barca to be a club comparable in European stature to Real Madrid or Bayern Munich.
Last year when Utd played Barca in the QFs, I had been over there and had a discussion about this with my PhD supervisor, who's a lifelong Barca fan in his late 60s. He said for them, beating Man Utd is still a big deal because they still perceive Utd as a massive European powerhouse, they remember the late 90s and early 00s where Utd were rivalling Real Madrid for the title of the biggest football club in the world. It was surprising for me to hear that but local Barca fans actually appreciate how much they owe to Messi for their current stature, and recognise that prior to him they weren't the European juggernaut they were after him. This is another reason why it's inconceivable for them to imagine letting Messi go, even if his presence is harming them in the long run, because of the incredible gratitude they feel towards him putting them as a club at the pinnacle of European football.
Some money laundering and incomprehensible bank loans and they'll manage to get out of the shit somehow.
200 mil to bring back Neymar. Sorted! He's injured half of the season every year.
Not going off yesterday’s result but Barcelona are in bigger trouble than United, both on and off the pitch.
At least with us there are signs we are getting it right on the pitch
At least with us there are signs we are getting it right on the pitch
Last time I checked, £0 means free. Couldn’t care less if it was a swap or that we paid him a fortune every week. At the end of the day, we paid Arsenal nothing.
Miki had a value. Clearly it’s not free. Honestly if you think that, then you need to go back, or more likely complete school.
Barca need to look at a long term rebuild really. It’s going to be painful and probably mean no silverware for a few years but I can’t see them winning anything in the near future anyway if they do nothing.
Their wage bill is insane and their transfer record has been awful. Messi is single handedly keeping them in 2nd place in La Liga but it might be time, as his contract is about to expire, to let him go. The same for Suarez, Busquets and Pique. They won’t get big fees for them but they’d free up a hell of a lot in wages.
Then they need to find someone who can identify up and coming players and get them in for a decent price. Similar to a Liepzig or Dortmund model, except Barca wouldn’t have to sell them when they approach their peaks. Sounds easier than it is, but their current policy of introducing bang average academy players and spending huge sums on players who don’t fit into the system doesn’t work.
Their wage bill is insane and their transfer record has been awful. Messi is single handedly keeping them in 2nd place in La Liga but it might be time, as his contract is about to expire, to let him go. The same for Suarez, Busquets and Pique. They won’t get big fees for them but they’d free up a hell of a lot in wages.
Then they need to find someone who can identify up and coming players and get them in for a decent price. Similar to a Liepzig or Dortmund model, except Barca wouldn’t have to sell them when they approach their peaks. Sounds easier than it is, but their current policy of introducing bang average academy players and spending huge sums on players who don’t fit into the system doesn’t work.
Aye wanted him on the field last night
Maybe play ter Stegan outfield cos he clearly ain’t a keeper. I thought de gea had bad distribution but now I’ve seen the jedi master