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A-man

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So let's get it straight, you're completely happy with the way that second goal was conceded innit?

Because the defenders can do whatever the feck they want if the attackers score 4 goals per match?
You seriously can’t read, can you?
Lindelof and AWB were very poor in that situation and it cost a goal. Our attaclears cost us many goals. That’s why we lost today.
 

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It's incredible that you've actually used this picture as evidence of Lindelof being largely at fault. The comment next it AWB is just dripping with agenda. :lol: Of course AWB should to free to frolic in the empty space behind him! Naughty Lindelof!

Roll it back a few frames won't you?
 

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Smalling deals with that all day every day. It's a shambles that Lindelof is ahead of him in our pecking order.
I think you should watch this at 00:20 before you make this kind of statement again.

 

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You seriously can’t read, can you?
Lindelof and AWB were very poor in that situation and it cost a goal. Our attaclears cost us many goals. That’s why we lost today.
Yeah and that's why I said that a CB upgrade is a must considering how many times Lindelof's lack of aggression, lack of aerial ability has cost us. He literally has no standout quality.

People thinking that adding only a new attacker will help us win games while these defenders continue to be brainless while defending, are in for a shock.
 

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I think you should watch this at 00:20 before you make this kind of statement again.

I've watched enough of Smalling here to know he'd have defended that situation tonight.
 

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Yeah and that's why I said that a CB upgrade is a must considering how many times Lindelof's lack of aggression, lack of aerial ability has cost us. He literally has no standout quality.

People thinking that adding only a new attacker will help us win games while these defenders continue to be brainless while defending, are in for a shock.
3 goals away from best defence in the PL.
36 goals away from best goal scoring team.

Every CB makes a mistake once in a while, but the United defence has been pretty solid overall this season.
 

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Let's us down time and time and time again. Have never contemplated on this site before but he's that atrocious that I would consider ignoring anyone that still defends him. In 25 years of watching united he's the only player I have ever truly despised
 

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Lindelof simply isn't good enough and a top CB is as much a priority as Sancho.
I've watched enough of Smalling here to know he'd have defended that situation tonight.
100% - Smalling does everything better than Lindelof in terms of actual defending, but because he can't hit a sexy pass he gets lampooned by some of our 'fans'. That second goal never happens with Smalling's pace and aerial ability. Simple as that.
 

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Lindelof simply isn't good enough and a top CB is as much a priority as Sancho.

100% - Smalling does everything better than Lindelof in terms of actual defending, but because he can't hit a sexy pass he gets lampooned by some of our 'fans'. That second goal never happens with Smalling's pace and aerial ability. Simple as that.
This kind of speculation that it could never have happened if Smalling played is ridiculous. It’s like he never lost an aerial. Never was out of position. Never made a mistake. As I just showed in a clip things like this and worse happens also with Smalling. And with other defenders, top notch defenders. Anybody who has watched the CL quarters needs two hands’ fingers to count costly CB mistakes.
 

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Watching second goal again I think I was a little bit harsh on him. While he fecked up in the air, the goal is about 90% AWB's fault. He literally left his man run toward the ball on his own and stood still as if he forgot he's playing the game!
 

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AWB's fault or not, chances like that happen in games and he should have done better. That is what defending is all about. I hope Smalling comes back so at least Ole can try more CB combinations with Smalling in there and see if it improves us defensively. Because there's no way we will buy another CB this window. No more of this "but he's good on the ball, modern CB" bullshit.
 

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AWB's fault or not, chances like that happen in games and he should have done better. That is what defending is all about. I hope Smalling comes back so at least Ole can try more CB combinations with Smalling in there and see if it improves us defensively. No more of this "but he's good on the ball, modern CB" bullshit.
Smalling had many disastrous defending with us so I'm not sure why you and many others are treating him as if he's the solution now, when he hasn't been for years for United.
 

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Watching second goal again I think I was a little bit harsh on him. While he fecked up in the air, the goal is about 90% AWB's fault. He literally left his man run toward the ball on his own and stood still as if he forgot he's playing the game!
Finally some sense
 

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Smalling had many disastrous defending with us so I'm not sure why you and many others are treating him as if he's the solution now, when he hasn't been for years for United.
You also forgot the part where he was our best defender since Rio and Vida. Yes the bar has been lowered but he was. Hence why i was very disappointed when he left on loan. He could have been useful as an option.

It's easy to talk about specific mistakes but I prefer to see the bigger picture where again Smalling was our best defender before Maguire came. For years.
 

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This guy never been dribbled past because he is never in front of the attacker but MIA somewhere rehearsing who he is going to scream at from own team.
 

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You also forgot the part where he was or best defender since Rio and Vida. Yes the bar has been lowered but he was. Hence why i was very disappointed when he left. He could have been useful as an option.
He was the best of a lot consisting of Rojo, Bailly, Phill Jones and stuff. Hardly an achievement. The reality is Smalling was never the answer for United's defense problem in past years so treating him as the savior and solution now just doesn't make sense for me. If we want to upgrade on Lindelof, we'll need to buy someone new. Smalling had his chance and time at United. I'll like him as squad option on the bench but he's not going to be anything more than that at a team wanting to go forward.
 

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You also forgot the part where he was our best defender since Rio and Vida. Yes the bar has been lowered but he was. Hence why i was very disappointed when he left on loan. He could have been useful as an option.

It's easy to talk about specific mistakes but I prefer to see the bigger picture where again Smalling was our best defender before Maguire came. For years.
Because the bar was so low. Always injured Bailly, Rojo and Jones had no chance being ahead of him. Too much revisionism here. It was not like clubs were lining up for him.
And any talk of "useful as an option" is pointless. He left because he didn't want to be 2nd choice.
 

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He was the best of a lot consisting of Rojo, Bailly, Phill Jones and stuff. Hardly an achievement. The reality is Smalling was never the answer for United's defense problem in past years so treating him as the savior and solution now just doesn't make sense for me. If we want to upgrade on Lindelof, we'll need to buy someone new. Smalling had his chance and time at United. I'll like him as squad option on the bench but he's not going to be anything more than that at a team wanting to go forward.
Not saviour and solution but an option. You missed my point. I said because he was the best out of the bunch we had and he's proven it over the years, and it doesn't look like we'll sign a new CB this window. Smalling could be an option to be Maguire's partner at the back. He should be ahead of the rest, at least on par with Lindelof and behind Maguire in the pecking order. To go forward where? next season we'll probably have the same options plus Mengi, but he's still 18.
 

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Because the bar was so low. Always injured Bailly, Rojo and Jones had no chance being ahead of him. Too much revisionism here. It was not like clubs were lining up for him.
And any talk of "useful as an option" is pointless.
Yeah that's your opinion.
He left because he didn't want to be 2nd choice
Since Roma didn't extend his loan, I wasn't talking about last season.
 

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Not saviour and solution but an option. You missed my point. I said because he was the best out of the bunch we had and he's proven it over the years, and it doesn't look like we'll sign a new CB this window. Smalling could be an option to be Maguire's partner at the back. He should be ahead of the rest, at least on par with Lindelof and behind Maguire in the pecking order. To go forward where? next season we'll probably have the same options plus Mengi, but he's still 18.
He would be a good squad option for us sure but he shouldn't be a starter that's all. If we want to be a title challenging team and think Lindelof isn't good enough for that, we'll have to buy a new main CB from the market.
 

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Since Roma didn't extend his loan, I wasn't talking about last season.
As per reports at least, it seems he is trying hard to lower his wages and see if Roma and United can reach a deal. He wants to stay there and be first choice, rather be an option here.
 

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He would be a good squad option for us sure but he shouldn't be a starter that's all. If we want to be a title challenging team and think Lindelof isn't good enough for that, we'll have to buy a new main CB from the market.
Yep and I completely agree with that. But if we don't then I'm okay with relying on Smalling and Lindelof competing for the 2nd CB role, at least for one more season.
 

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That little slowmo grab of him not accepting responsibility for his mistake and Bruno rinsing him was embarrassing. Just nut the fecker out for a corner.
 

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Am I the only one who thinks it is pretty normal for team mates to have a go at each other and react angrily after a goal is conceded. Everyone is doing the hard work and is tired.
Some of the posts here would make people think some kind of emotionless saints play for us.
 

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3 goals away from best defence in the PL.
36 goals away from best goal scoring team.

Every CB makes a mistake once in a while, but the United defence has been pretty solid overall this season.
3 goals away really not showing the bigger picture. Liverpool only conceded 21 goals while we were 31 goals before they secured their league title. They were on holiday after they secured the league and conceded 12 goals in their remaining 7 games.

In reality is that if we want to challenge the league, we need to improve our defense because Liverpool‘s defense before they secured the league was superb. Our defense is good enough for challenging top 4 now but to go into next level, need to be better.

There are aspects where we are good defensively but also aspect where we are poor defensively. Majority goals we conceded if we exclude DDG mistakes this season are from similar situation which set pieces and unable to handle crossings.
 

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Are you suggesting Neville never had to cover his CBs and they never got caught of of position?
He wasn't out of position, he just did what he very often does, expects others to do his job. He loves pointing and delegating.
 

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He's kinda guilty on the first goal also... if you're coming up that far out, better block the channel and put the ball out of touch

That's always been the problem.

That jockeying just puts us on the back foot without him doing anything explicitly wrong. Sometimes it can be costly, but a lot of the time it's just a subtle yet consistent disadvantage.
 

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It's incredible that you've actually used this picture as evidence of Lindelof being largely at fault. The comment next it AWB is just dripping with agenda. :lol: Of course AWB should to free to frolic in the empty space behind him! Naughty Lindelof!

Roll it back a few frames won't you?

Our two centre backs are both on the ball side side of the only attacker in the penalty box which is bad enough in itself .

Yes Wan Bissaka should have followed the player in but that doesn't excuse Lindelof for just allowing the ball to go past him.
 

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Worst part about his game is his unwillingness to just man up and accept he fecked up.

Just go pointing fingers and moan at others while he does feck all and keeps standing off attackers expecting people to go where he points.
 

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Worst part about his game is his unwillingness to just man up and accept he fecked up.

Just go pointing fingers and moan at others while he does feck all and keeps standing off attackers expecting people to go where he points.
Because all top defenders go on apologising to entire team when they make mistakes
 
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