Poch might be, he never had anywhere near the financial resources Ole has. Btw just to make myself clear, I like Ole and I think he has done a good job so far. I just wish for better than 'good' next year. Set high standards.
(A) You feel Ole isn't up to it. You can't you tell us why. How do you expect to persuade us he should be sacked when you never named your preferred replacement and can't even give us good reasons? You're argument reeks of sour grapes after defeat.
I agree about the windows, but the difference for me is the style of play. Even with the likes of Clyne, Morena etc, Liverpool were playing the style of football Klopp wants. I cannot say th3 same for Ole, I know he wants to play a fast press but I just cannot see the translation on the pitch. Personally, Ole is not the one for me but at the same time, I will always back whoever is in charge, especially with the windows. Ole will most certainly be here for next season, let's hope he gets what he wants. I think in terms of clearing deadwood he has made a decent start, I want to see him sign more players with Brunos attitude, that will be key for me. I really don't want Maguire as captain, Bruno is the right leader for this club, his attitude is infectious.
Well if they have a plan it's not working. We can comment on what we see during the match. For sure they don't have a successful plan for corners. Because it's always trying to get a straight cross for Maguire to head.
I'm not changing my mind just because of Sevilla defeat. Yes we do look good in parts but always struggle against determined opponents, we all see top notch teams play - Bayern, PSG, Liverpool, City etc. Do you honestly feel our passing, pressing, chance creation is comparable to those clubs? Yes their clubs have good players and we don't have much but still teams like Lyon, Atalanta, Leipzig, Dortmund put a very good show and can easily outplay us very easily. I simply do not have the confidence that OGS is capable of coaching to become a team like that. I'm complaining about our passing and movement since Moyes was appointed, only when I see those improving, I'll really get behind a manager. Till then nothing will convince me.
Who are these better qualified managers? Moyes is definitely not, van Gaal was beyond past it and was pushing retirement when we moronically appointed him over " genius tactic to sub a goalkeeper for pens". Mourinho - another "better qualified" manager who was also beginning to look stale and was past it again. He is destroying Spurs now. All of this appointments were farcical and for that Woodward has to go, I'm not denying that.
Look, can we just put the financial resources BS to bed once and for all. Poch had opportunities to win silverware and bottled it over 5 years. Leicester managed to do it with less resources than Spurs. You do realise that even if United, Chelsea, City, Barca, PSG, Real Madrid, Juve etc., threw £300m at their teams, there would still only be 2 winners of the top honours. We don't have a divine right to win anything. You don't get anything for 'agonizingly close' either. And I would argue that getting to three semis and finishing 3rd in your first full season is pretty decent.
Far too often
and the fact that team are unbeaten in the league in 2020 and created more than enough chances to win last night tells you what?
I haven't beaten Solskjaer with anything yet.
Say what now?
When nothing works. Just lie.
So you watched every corner? One was played short, one was towards Maguire and one was to Pogba.
Both Solskjaer and Pochettino will win a trophy as long as they manage teams like United. The question is whether or not they can do it consistently and create a culture or winning like good managers do.
Is that the same pochettino that pretty much fell out with Levy for not financing a rebuild?
Do you think those goals will be any different to those set at Liverpool, City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs and possibly even Leicester?I haven't beaten Solskjaer with anything yet.
I'm just setting goals for next year. Fair ones that any manager at United should be looking to achieve.
Yes it was. What’s your point?
Well, you've said he should win a trophy next year or be sacked which is simplistic and a bit of a weird goal tbh.I haven't beaten Solskjaer with anything yet.
I'm just setting goals for next year. Fair ones that any manager at United should be looking to achieve.
This is the thing with the Ole naysayers in here. They always conveniently leave important details out to support their arguments or say something that contradicts what they said three posts earlier.
Ha ha, see my post above. This is exactly the type of thing I'm referring to.
There isn't a manager in the world who doesn't need to spend a penny for build a team.
After reading through this thread all I have seen you contribute the square root of feck all to the conversation. Instead we just get snidey comments and strawmen.
This is brilliant!
I'd expect similar goals at City & Chelsea for sure. Two very successful clubs who we should be competing with.
Which you have been doing
Why have you conveniently left out Arsenal & Spurs? I don't think they (Arsenal in particular) will not tolerate another season out of the top 4.
I understand progression/transition which we somehow are perennially in but we never seem to deliver the goods. A cut throat approach is l'd like similar to clubs like Real/Barca/Juve and not risk having a drought similar to Liverpool's with our leniency.
Because I don't think they have enough ambition. They are fine with just being around doing nothing. Do you think going any manager will last 2-3 trophy less seasons at clubs like Real, Barca, Bayern, Chelsea?
Aside from the nonsensical comparison to clubs who mostly have become so used to winning the league all they care about is the CL, are you not going to address the point I made about the short-sightedness of judging success on a trophy, any trophy?
Yes, Poch is the answer. Even if Poch is not solution, i know that Ole certainly is not the guy who will lead us forward. And you seriously underestimate other leagues. Italy and Spain are not weaker than PL.
He wasnt the answer to us, Juve, Barca and Bayern. Maybe they are all run badly?
Fine, Chelsea and City then if you think La Liga and Serie A are 'nonsensical'.
I'll repost my question again, maybe you'll answer it this time.Fine, Chelsea and City then if you think La Liga and Serie A are 'nonsensical'.
What is short sighted about judging success on a trophy? You don't get a trophy for finishing second. We finished second under Mourinho and had quite a 'progressive' year after that.
Did all those Liverpool players really cost 400m pounds? Sounds made up to me. Salah, VVD and Allison's transfer worth would have grown so much now and Liverpool won the CL and the title and look set to dominate for years to come. So that was well worth the investment.
Say what now?
Are you claiming Klopp and Guardiola didn't sign big names or spend a fortune to get where they are?
Why did both of you conveniently choose to ignore points about improving our technique and tactics? Do you honestly believe Guardiola and Klopp are only successful because they signed all those players?
Because winning a trophy is not the same as establishing an era of dominance. To establish an era, you need to get the transition right, with the right players and the right profile. If you're saying you're in transition and the average age of your starting XI is more often than not 27 or so, which was the case in 17/18, you can't say you're in transition. If anything, I'd say you're towards the end of a cycle with a team.Fine, Chelsea and City then if you think La Liga and Serie A are 'nonsensical'.
What is short sighted about judging success on a trophy? You don't get a trophy for finishing second. We finished second under Mourinho and had quite a 'progressive' year after that.
My opinion is that Ole should remain in charge to finish the rebuild he began 12 months ago. We have made more progress last season than any other combined post-Saf, which I've stated a million times in this thread.
So you've proved you're clueless on the point you made and then you pivot to well even if they did invest massive amounts of money it was worth it? Ffs
Sorry mate, but once you make such a clearly false statement, anything else you said in the same post tends to be ignored.
If this is the case, the most likely scenario is that you are too biased to see them.
