I'd love to see him at Real Madrid
Lionel Messi
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That'd be the funniest thing of all time. Forget Luis Figo and the pig's head - Messi would probably get an entire horse or something hurled at him in the Camp Nou.
As I said before, Real Madrid should take the piss and put in a bid for Messi. It would be funny as hell. This would no doubt piss Ronaldo off and Barca. It can never happen for obvious reason but Real Madrid as a club is so much more well run and managed by Barca, so he would relish it there.
He'll get a Farm thrown at him from Barca fans.
It`s like you lack reading comprehension or something, despite me explicitly naming United as badly run you still bring them up as a strawmen. But it`s great that you`ve now moved away from the innovation and progressive gibberish but try to make a point that their net spent is not too bad because United is almost up there as well and Barca is on 60% of that.
Want to look a bit deeper into these transfer spending comparisons? According to transfermarkt they have more than double outspent every other club in Europe bar United, PSG and Barca in the last 10 years. And if you look only on the PL as comparisons they have more than triple outspent every other team. I wonder how that is necessary if they have such a smart vision and long-term planning? And all of that while investing a shitload in other structures such as youth academy, scouting etc.
"Reducing their success to their financial prowess is not fair" - yes, it`s totally down to smart next level thinking, having to outspent basically everyone else by 3 times that amount is just uhm a random byproduct of innovation and progressive club management.
I think there's a massive difference personally.
A player under contract has a long phone call with a manager of a potential suitor, then hands in a request to terminate their contract a day or two after.
An agent would work on behalf of the player speaking to the new club to gain the levels of interest, then speak to the contracted club.
To be fair, I doubt any of us really know what goes on, but I highly doubt a player speaks directly to a manager without some contact being made first either by the respective clubs or agents being involved.
In the Messi scenario there was neither agents involved or clubs, just a manager of another team directly contacting a player leading to a termination of contract request. It's a bit different from the norm.
Agent also talks to manager about their level of interest and then player submits transfer request, what's the difference when outcome is same, that player or his agent talk to other manager to understand their level of interest before submitting transfer request.
IMO it's all same and this is very common. Club won't waste time without knowing player's interest, likewise player wont ask for transfer without knowing how seriously the club wants him.
Why inter
It's an example of a club that has a good reputation among most fans despite the sugar daddying. I generally use Milan or Inter(Berlusconi-Moratti) because many people have fondness for them.Why inter
It's not a transfer request!!
It's a statement to rip up a contract!!
It's completely different.
"It's like you lack reading comprehension or something" - how quick-qitted, never read that opening. Did you come up with that yourself?
Anyway, so there are three clubs which spent in the same stratospheres as City did since 2012. And yes, I count Barca to since they would probably have a few pennies left for additional transfer fees if they wouldn't be spending 70+% of their record breaking revenues on player salaries. Barca is at shambles, United slowly recovering, PSG hasn't accomplished anything other than the absolute minimum requirements. So City hasn't outspent everyone, there are three clubs with comparable expenses that are doing significantly worse than them. Now I argue that this shows that they obviously have made the right situations in general because the examples of City, PSG and United prove that even with such much financial backing success isn't self-propelling. You on the other hand argue that it says more about the poor management of those clubs without giving credit to City. That's already quite cynical and hypocritical if you ask me. According to your logic, City can't be well run because they outspent every club in their own league except for United. That's quite funny since you simultaneously label Bayern as a best practice. Do we want to compare Bayern's finances in the Bundesliga with it's competitors? Since 2012, Bayern has -271m net spent, Dortmund is at +115. Don't even let me get started with the wage bill. Was Bayern a badly managed club in from 2010 to 2013, when Dortmund took two Bundesligas and one DFB Pokal from them with a positive net spent in the past 5 seasons?
Obviously not since Bayern got into 3 CL finals in the span of 4 years. Your whole argument is based on the argumentation "they sit on a lot of money, they aren't well managed" - well, you can be both, one of the two or neither one nor the other. A financial advantage in the league (which City doesn't even have strictly speaking) doesn't automatically ensure you success. You have to make it count and City does that.
I'd quite like to see him go to inter and massively outscore ronaldo for a few years and stop juve winning ten in a row
Still think he will stay at barca though
Ah allright. That was why i asked
I mean, it's also a transfer request. Nothing says "i want out" clearer than "i'm terminating the contract"
Well for a contract to be enforceable on either party it has to be seen as fair
He has a contract that says at the end of the season he has the right to leave for free by a certain date (typically two or three weeks after the end of the season)
The season has been delayed and therefore the point in question is does the right to leave for free at the end of the season take precident or not over the fixed date of 10th June
Messis lawyers would argue they are simply acting within the spirit of the contract and looking to enforce it not rip it up and it is not right that due to a global pandemic (force majeur their client is prevented from exercising his right to terminate within so many days of the season ending)
Suspect the president will resign and messi will stay for at least a year to see how things work out
But it would be interesting if it came to a legal case... though ultimately untenable I think that messi is in court against barca Monday to Friday and playing for them on Saturday
History isn't winning. History is heritage. Just because United had a couple of golden periods doesn't entitle them to a golden future. Every team has a dream of being the best - thats why there are 10 levels of football and the FA Cup has 700 teams - rich tapestry of history buddy and the opportunity to dream of a successful future. Whether you like it or not Man City however has a rich history (small team that has held the attendance record for the best part of 100 years and indeed their 5th highest crowd is indeed higher than all bar 2 teams). Unfortunately most journalists are aged 40-50 and therefore were brought up in the Liverpool and/or Utd era. Therefore they peddle constant garbage about only these teams are big teams and the fans latch on to it
Something about this transfer doesn't make sense to me. I guess i have hard time wrapping my head around the fact that if he leaves his last match for Barcelona would be an embarrassing 8-2 hammerring from Bayern. I mean would this sit well with him. Last match of Ronaldo for Real Madrid was CL win against dippers. Strange.
Yeah, would be an interesting case for sure,
There appears to be a date (July 1st?) On the contract, which if so kind of seems like Messi hasn't really got a leg to stand on.
If it states ' seasons end' anywhere in the contract then I'd imagine he's bang to rights.
Would certainly be a unique situation, an employee carrying on working despite taking his employer to court!!
Not comparable, you don't always go out on a high, Barcas recruitment means itll take years to rebuild, Messi doesn't have 4-5 years of his career left at the top level, he's 33.
If he was 28 sure, but all the squad would be in their prime too.
Yeah, I get that, but it's a bit deeper then just telling your club you'd like permission to move clubs!
Messi and his dad are sitting in the Etihad boardroom, about to sign the contract. Messi stands up, walks slowly over to the vending machine, very deliberately puts in some coins, taps E14 on the machine. turns around, never breaking eye contact with Pep - who inaudibly whispers the word "Don't" and opens a can of full fat Coca Cola, taking an almost unnecessarily huge swig from the can, albeit he has to turn his head at an awkward angle to maintain eye contact.
"And don't think I'll be doing any fecking pressing either".
"And don't think I'll be doing any fecking pressing either".
Somehow reminded me of a scene in Harold & Kumar 2.
Please stay Messi! Don't ruin your legacy by going to an oil club. Although Barca are already sponsored by Qatar companies anyway.
Interesting point. I wonder if the compensation agreed will be that Barcelona’s sponsorship revenue is not impacted by Messi’s departure for X number of years.
He is about to turn his back on the club and clearly livid with the personel and how it has been run. You really think he cares about what his last match was?
Im too scared to click on this video
Interesting interview. Great post.
Isn't it the wrong term 'oil clubs', doesn't it carry racial Undertones after some journalists have been warned in some quarters?
He's chosen City apparently, it's going to be interesting to see him in the Premier League, and very strange.
Same. Looks like someone gave Messi a facial. Suarez probably.
i already knew he will join Man City this summer then Man City will win premier league itle and possible champion league next new season
Agreed.
The correct term is sport-washing, human rights abusing, draconian regime and financial doping clubs.
It`s about as creative as opening with "You`re displaying cognitive dissonance at its finest" and given that you ignore the majority of what I wrote and instead keep moving the goalpost its still accurate I`d say.
You started with the claim that City are where they are because of innovation, progressive thinking and other nonsense and not because of the money. I simply pointed out that`s rubbish and why its exclusively down to money. I never said they`ve used their money in a horrible way and I never dismissed the fact that others are using money in an even worse way.
That still does not change the fact that what City has done is simply down to money and not because they`ve been "smarter". And from the 3 clubs you named, Barca and PSG have actually achieved the same or better over the last decade given that they actually won the CL or reached the final, unlike the single semi-final City has achieved. So if you go by success metrics, City have not been more successfull than Barca and PSG which makes the whole "They`ve been run more intelligently" stance even more dubious. But I guess you`ll write a third paragraph on why City is a fantastic well run club because after all, bad boys United spent almost as much and have been worse. Great line of thinking that...
Kuper's a good man. While some of his input there is still probably very much speculative - it's pretty much close to what I'd think reality is. Especially about the man himself, the club not so much.
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