Messi v Ronaldo | Contains double your daily salt allowance

[MS4]

Lets not kid ourselves.
Messi is ahead of Ronaldo, regardless of Ronaldo being one of the best goalscorers ever.
Whenever Ronaldo scores goals the discussion starts again. As stupid as it may sound but measuring 2 Players based on their scored goals - is nonsense

 

[MrEleson]

Just for his numbers and being the ultimate professional Ronaldo of course does deserve to be well within the top 10 but i ask myself the question if I could only pick one player in history to pay to watch who would it be? And personally I would pick any of the players I mentioned and a few more before Ronaldo. My own top 3 in order would be Best, Messi, Maradonna

How much have you actually watched of Best?

 

[RedRonaldo]

Ronaldo as a simple goal machine is such a ridiculous myth and oversight of what Ronaldo the player has been for the last two decades. This idea that he’s just some sort of big man up front who smashes goals in is almost a reductio ad absurdum type argument. Ronaldo in full flight when he was in his prime was every bit as exciting as any of the players mentioned. He was a force of nature with a bag of tricks. In his early years at United he was criticised for being a show pony with no end product which just goes to show how ridiculous your argument is.

I’ve always wonder why people tend to remember Ronaldo during his 30s (29-35), rather than Ronaldo during his peak in 20s (23-28), where he was far more exciting to watch and equally as effective. One reason I could think of, is perhaps Ronaldo being more successful in his 30s than in his 20s, the same period where he start catching up with Messi, so people tend to remember that period more.

IMHO, Ronaldo during his peak in 23-28, is every bit as good and as exciting to watch as peak Messi during the same period. The only real difference between them over that period is, Messi has Xavi and Iniesta supporting him, while Ronaldo only had himself to count on.

 

[Zehner]

I’ve always wonder why people tend to remember Ronaldo during his 30s (29-35), rather than Ronaldo during his peak in 20s (23-28), where he was far more exciting to watch and equally as effective. One reason I could think of, is perhaps Ronaldo being more successful in his 30s than in his 20s, so people tend to remember that period more.

Well, 99% of the arguments in his favor in this thread revolve around performances he pulled off when he was in his 30s. So.. you guys are kind of setting that agenda yourself. I actually think the gap was a lot closer when Cristiano was between 23 and 28 but we rarely discuss this time.

 

[Decomposing In Paris]

Out of interest, do people who use the argument that Ronaldo is better because he has played in different leagues discount players like Maldini, Baresi, Beckenbauer, Xavi, Iniesta etc? Messi is the only player I see getting criticised for this..

I’ve seen plenty of players criticised for just that... Giggs in particular. Apparently he won a lot when the Premier League was a poor league and the fact he was always better in the Champions League is ignored because he only won it twice, & neither of those were his best seasons. It’s just a silly argument, but hey, this is 2020... people feel they can win a debate with a quantity of points rather than the quality of the argument.

 

[Pexbo]

Well, 99% of the arguments in his favor in this thread revolve around performances he pulled off when he was in his 30s. So.. you guys are kind of setting that agenda yourself. I actually think the gap was a lot closer when Cristiano was between 23 and 28 but we rarely discuss this time.

He won 3 of his 5 Ballon Dor before he was 30, nobody is setting any sort of agenda.

 

[Zehner]

He won 3 of his 5 Ballon Dor before he was 30, nobody is setting any sort of agenda.

Thing is, his supporters constantly name the four CL wins for Real Madrid and his CL KO stage goal record as arguments. The version of Ronaldo that accomplished that wasn't the skillful and tricky player that steamrolled through defenses and had incredible scoring records on top of that anymore. He was all about goals and trophies, not about great dribblings and chance creation. Personally, I think Ronaldo was best during his late United and early Madrid years. But his fans have to decide which version they prefer: The one that was obviously the better footballer with the same "flaws" as Messi ("not clutch", "no trophies", etc.) or the one that was the inferior footballer but won more, hence the one that has more strawman arguments on it's side.

 

[trims]

What’s this whole Ronaldo has done it for his country and Messi hasn’t about.

He was part of a team that won an international trophy but so has Giroud and Nani.

He’s scored a lot of goals in qualifiers where they’ve mostly come against teams like Lithuania, Latvia and Luxembourg. But for someone who is touted as being the greatest, his performances have been pretty poor at international tournaments. His goal ratio in Euros is on par with Nuno Gomes and he has the worst ratio out of anyone in the top 10 all time goal scorers.

Ronaldo hasnt produced any performances at major tournaments close to Messi in WC 2014 and Copa America 2015 and 2016. It is ridiculous to say that if higuain had scored the penalty in 2015 or the the one on one in 2014 Messi would then be considered Goat. Situations where Messi had absolutely no part in.

 

[Black Adder]

I’ve always wonder why people tend to remember Ronaldo during his 30s (29-35), rather than Ronaldo during his peak in 20s (23-28), where he was far more exciting to watch and equally as effective. One reason I could think of, is perhaps Ronaldo being more successful in his 30s than in his 20s, the same period where he start catching up with Messi, so people tend to remember that period more.

IMHO, Ronaldo during his peak in 23-28, is every bit as good and as exciting to watch as peak Messi during the same period. The only real difference between them over that period is, Messi has Xavi and Iniesta supporting him, while Ronaldo only had himself to count on.

What?

 

[Pexbo]

Thing is, his supporters constantly name the four CL wins for Real Madrid and his CL KO stage goal record as arguments. The version of Ronaldo that accomplished that wasn't the skillful and tricky player that steamrolled through defenses and had incredible scoring records on top of that anymore. He was all about goals and trophies, not about great dribblings and chance creation. Personally, I think Ronaldo was best during his late United and early Madrid years. But his fans have to decide which version they prefer: The one that was obviously the better footballer with the same "flaws" as Messi ("not clutch", "no trophies", etc.) or the one that was the inferior footballer but won more, hence the one that has more strawman arguments on it's side.

Oh come on that’s clutching at straws. Ronaldo was at his absolute peak as an individual and a joy to watch in his early to late 20s. That player won 3 Ballon Dor on top of racking up the stats and producing hours upon hours of youtube highlight reels of flicks, tricks and skills.

You’re seriously trying to suggest that we have to separate that iteration of Ronaldo from the latter iteration of Ronaldo for the sake of arguing what type of player and how good he was?

Ronaldo is both iterations, they both count when assessing how good he is and that in itself is a testament to what an incredible player he is.

 

[RedRonaldo]

What?

Well, even without Messi, Xavi and Iniesta dominate the world football during that period with Spain. So, there you go. He does have the advantage over Ronaldo during their peak period (23-28 years old). And of course Messi is still the best player in the world, but I regarded Ronaldo as more or less equal individually over that period of time.

 

[Zehner]

Oh come on that’s clutching at straws. Ronaldo was at his absolute peak as an individual and a joy to watch in his early to late 20s. That player won 3 Ballon Dor on top of racking up the stats and producing hours upon hours of youtube highlight reels of flicks, tricks and skills.

You’re seriously trying to suggest that we have to separate that iteration of Ronaldo from the latter iteration of Ronaldo for the sake of arguing what type of player and how good he was?

Ronaldo is both iterations, they both count when assessing how good he is and that in itself is a testament to what an incredible player he is.

Ronaldo's dribbling and key pass stats in the CL seasons...

07/08:
no data available

13/14:
Dribbles per game: 2.3
Keypasses per game: 2

15/16:
Dribbles per game: 0.8
Keypasses per game: 1.9

16/17:
Dribbles per game: 1.2
Keypasses per game: 1.5

17/18:
Dribbles per game: 1.7
Keypasses per game: 1.4



Those are average values. For comparison, Messi in his CL winning seasons:

06/07:
no data available

08/09:
no data available

10/11:
Dribbles per game: 6.1
Keypasses per game: 1.8

14/15:
Dribbles per game: 7.1
Keypasses per game: 2.8



As I said: The Ronaldo that won the CL three times in a row wasn't the same player as the Ronaldo that left United that caused opponent defenders nightmares with his runs and tricks. And even the young Ronaldo was nowhere near Messi's overall contribution but the one between 15 and 18.. no chance.

 

[Pexbo]

Ronaldo's dribbling and key pass stats in the CL seasons...

07/08:
no data available

13/14:
Dribbles per game: 2.3
Keypasses per game: 2

15/16:
Dribbles per game: 0.8
Keypasses per game: 1.9

16/17:
Dribbles per game: 1.2
Keypasses per game: 1.5

17/18:
Dribbles per game: 1.7
Keypasses per game: 1.4



Those are average values. For comparison, Messi in his CL winning seasons:

06/07:
no data available

08/09:
no data available

10/11:
Dribbles per game: 6.1
Keypasses per game: 1.8

14/15:
Dribbles per game: 7.1
Keypasses per game: 2.8



As I said: The Ronaldo that won the CL three times in a row wasn't the same player as the Ronaldo that left United that caused opponent defenders nightmares with his runs and tricks. And even the young Ronaldo was nowhere near Messi's overall contribution but the one between 15 and 18.. no chance.

That’s lovely and all but it has nothing to do with the previous discussion

 

[Gehrman]

Messi wins by a landslide. Also over half of Ronaldo votes were from teammates, ex-teammates and compatriots. Only 19% of the Messi votes were Messi's ex-teammates and managers.

Weird that @SportingCP96

There is also some contradictory quotes.

Giggs says he obviously leans towards Ronaldo, but says Messi is one of a kind and a once in a lifetime player.

Scholes says he's shared the pitch with Zidane, Henry, Ronaldo, R9 etc but says that Messi is the greatest of them of all.

I believe Fergie said regarding Messi's 2019 Ballon d'or that in 2009 Messi was the best in the world and now in 2019 hes the best of all time.

 

[Zehner]

That’s lovely and all but it has nothing to do with the previous discussion

What? How the hell has it not to do with it?

 

[Forevergiggs1]

How much have you actually watched of Best?

I was only 6 when he left United so obviously not a lot although I have watched many hours on video. All I remember of him when I was young was the complete hype about him from absolutely everybody in the footballing world which is why I chose him as my number one choice of the one player I would pay to see. Not because I think he's the GOAT even though he'd definitely make my top 10

 

[Pexbo]

What? How the hell has it not to do with it?

Because the discussion was how exciting Ronaldo as a player was, I couldn’t care less how his dribbles per game compares to Messi, statistics don‘t have any bearing on the ascetics and excitement a player can produce.

 

[Forevergiggs1]

Ronaldo as a simple goal machine is such a ridiculous myth and oversight of what Ronaldo the player has been for the last two decades. This idea that he’s just some sort of big man up front who smashes goals in is almost a reductio ad absurdum type argument. Ronaldo in full flight when he was in his prime was every bit as exciting as any of the players mentioned. He was a force of nature with a bag of tricks. In his early years at United he was criticised for being a show pony with no end product which just goes to show how ridiculous your argument is.

Ok that's all fair enough but if you had only one choice to watch any player live in the history of the game who would it be?

 

[Pexbo]

Ok that's all fair enough but if you had only one choice to watch any player live in the history of the game who would it be?

Ronaldinho

 

[Gehrman]

What?

You know Ronaldo played in shit teams with only himself to rely on.... Milwall, QPR etc...

 

[Gehrman]

How much have you actually watched of Best?

I have an older friend who lived in Manchester and was a regular during the busby years and Best's career at Man Utd and he still maintains that Best is the greatest he's ever seen.

 

[SadlerMUFC]

I don't know how there can be any debate. I love to watch both players, but CR7 is at a different level. Sure, Messi is a very good dribbler, but Ronaldo has done it in 3 leagues and for his country (without great players around him Messi struggles). 101 goals is at a different level. Soon he will be the highest goal scorer of all time. He is a serial winner. I know the majority will say that Messi is the greatest ever, but I have to disagree. We are lucky to be in an era where we get to watch them both play, but CR7 is the GOAT and I dont know how anyone can disagree with that...

 

[Redplane]

I don't know how there can be any debate. I love to watch both players, but CR7 is at a different level. Sure, Messi is a very good dribbler, but Ronaldo has done it in 3 leagues and for his country (without great players around him Messi struggles). 101 goals is at a different level. Soon he will be the highest goal scorer of all time. He is a serial winner. I know the majority will say that Messi is the greatest ever, but I have to disagree. We are lucky to be in an era where we get to watch them both play, but CR7 is the GOAT and I dont know how anyone can disagree with that...

I agree.

There are three hings no one can argue (imho) that set him apart from Messi more than anything :

-National team performance
-Willpower/efforts to keep pushing himself to higher levels than he s been naturally gifted with. Something all footie players can look up to.
-Persona - more than Messi he's larger than life in a way but aside from his clear bitching on the pitch at times - he seems like a very enjoyable, relatively down to earth and approachable bloke. There are tons of videos etc with him showing up charities, doing nice things for kids and others etc. Messi seems like a nice enough guy too be he's relatively invisible in a way.

Messi is an enigma. Arguably (definitely?) the most naturally gifted player of all time - but he never rose to the level he should have at the national level and he's doesnt carry with him the inspiration CR provides.

All of the above IMHO of course.

 

[Suedesi]

You are?

 

[Suedesi]

I put R9 and Zico in the tier below with the likes of Zidane, Baggio, Baresi.

The post I responded to already named Di Stefano.

I'd put R9 ahead of all of them - Zico is in the same class as Zidane and Baggio.

 

[Gehrman]

Just for his numbers and being the ultimate professional Ronaldo of course does deserve to be well within the top 10 but i ask myself the question if I could only pick one player in history to pay to watch who would it be? And personally I would pick any of the players I mentioned and a few more before Ronaldo. My own top 3 in order would be Best, Messi, Maradonna

Nah, I agree, when I watch football videos for pure footballing genius and poetry in motion I prefer to watch Messi, M. Laudrup, Maradonna and Ronaldinho. However I will always have CR7 in my top 5 of best players of all time.

 

[red4ever 79]

Nah, I agree, when I watch football videos for pure footballing genius and poetry in motion I prefer to watch Messi, M. Laudrup, Maradonna and Ronaldinho. However I will always have CR7 in my top 5 of best players of all time.

Ronaldinho for me. Naturally the greatest

 

[Gehrman]

Ronaldinho for me. Naturally the greatest

Peak Ronaldinho is definitely the greatest flair player of all time. Peak R9 wasn't bad at that either.

 

[footballistic orgasm]

I don't know how there can be any debate. I love to watch both players, but CR7 is at a different level. Sure, Messi is a very good dribbler, but Ronaldo has done it in 3 leagues and for his country (without great players around him Messi struggles). 101 goals is at a different level. Soon he will be the highest goal scorer of all time. He is a serial winner. I know the majority will say that Messi is the greatest ever, but I have to disagree. We are lucky to be in an era where we get to watch them both play, but CR7 is the GOAT and I dont know how anyone can disagree with that...

Funny that you are trying to reduce Messi to just being a good dribbler when he's the number one creative force in his team (something which Ronaldo isn't) and also the number one goal scorer, also scoring just as much Ronaldo. Yet Ronaldo is undoubtedly better?

And what's the nonsense about the national team? Isn't Messi the highest goal scorer and the best passer in the NT history? Played 4 finals with the NT and has been unfortunate to not win any...
Portugal won that final without Ronaldo who only played about 10mins in that game, crazy how some willingly forget that when saying Ronaldo has won with Portugal and that Messi couldn't win with Argentina...

 

[footballistic orgasm]

Ronaldinho for me. Naturally the greatest

R9 was already doing in 94/95 things that Ronaldinho was doing in 04

 

[Zehner]

Because the discussion was how exciting Ronaldo as a player was, I couldn’t care less how his dribbles per game compares to Messi, statistics don‘t have any bearing on the ascetics and excitement a player can produce.

Well, this discussion started with this post by you:

Ronaldo as a simple goal machine is such a ridiculous myth and oversight of what Ronaldo the player has been for the last two decades. This idea that he’s just some sort of big man up front who smashes goals in is almost a reductio ad absurdum type argument. Ronaldo in full flight when he was in his prime was every bit as exciting as any of the players mentioned. He was a force of nature with a bag of tricks. In his early years at United he was criticised for being a show pony with no end product which just goes to show how ridiculous your argument is.

So, how exactly does he produce those ascetics and this excitement if not through dribbling or passing? Through his iconic goal celebration? His majestic facial features or defined abs? Has he found a way to contribute that no other player has found yet, probably even without touching the ball? Because I've re-watched his highlights in the games you guys keep mentioning and he usually was very, very mediocre if you ignore his goals. And yes, that's an unfair assessment since the goals did happen and they turned otherwise average games into great ones but he was a "simple goal machine" in those campaigns - at least by the standard we're comparing him with and by the standard he set himself earlier in his career.

I don't want to belittle his achievements and performances in the CL, I really don't, and I hate that it sounds like it again but you guys are inventing things that never happened. I posted those statistics to highlight that he contributed very little aside from his goals. Up until ~2013/14 it's a different story but after that, he focused his game completely on goals. And those are the seasons that coincidentally saw him winning the CL - and thus are the most quoted performances by his followers in this forum. The Cristiano pre-2014 actually was a player the CR7 fans in this thread shouldn't rate.

 

[Suedesi]

So Messi sets god knows how many chances on a platter for Higuain in the final of the World Cup but he's penalized for that performance while Ronaldo goes off injured and his teammates win it for him yet this is a point in his favour? It'd be one thing if Ronaldo was top scorer in the tournament perhaps but he had half as many as Griezmann.

I just don't understand attributing team success to an individual player, especially when said individual misses 90% of the final.

Portugal were the shittiest team to win the Euros EVER.

Third in the group to Hungary and Iceland. No wins in the group, amass only 3 points. They only advance from the group stage because their goal difference was better than Turkey and Albania. No joke.

Knockouts - get outplayed by Croatia and need an extra time goal in the 117th minute. Gel boy was quiet all game. Renato Sanches MOTM

Outplayed by Poland, and the game this time goes to penalties. Renato Sanches again MOTM. Gel boy quiet.

Beat Wales convincingly in the semis. Not Germany, Italy, Spain... but Wales. First win for Portugal all tournament. Gel boy outshines the Welsh Ponytail. Good job.

Outplayed by France, gel boy has to leave the pitch in the first half. Portugal somehow fluke a win in extra time. Pulling an Eder becomes a meme. Pepe MOTM.

Gel boy fans go crazy and think that he's the greatest. Christ on a bike.

 

[Gehrman]

Portugal were the shittiest team to win the Euros EVER.

Third in the group to Hungary and Iceland. No wins in the group, amass only 3 points. They only advance from the group stage because their goal difference was better than Turkey and Albania. No joke.

Knockouts - get outplayed by Croatia and need an extra time goal in the 117th minute. Gel boy was quiet all game. Renato Sanches MOTM

Outplayed by Poland, and the game this time goes to penalties. Renato Sanches again MOTM. Gel boy quiet.

Beat Wales convincingly in the semis. Not Germany, Italy, Spain... but Wales. First win for Portugal all tournament. Gel boy outshines the Welsh Ponytail. Good job.

Outplayed by France, gel boy has to leave the pitch in the first half. Portugal somehow fluke a win in extra time. Pulling an Eder becomes a meme. Pepe MOTM.

Gel boy fans go crazy and think that he's the greatest. Christ on a bike.

This really. Context matters.

Higauin scores his 1 vs 1 in the 2014 WC final and suddenly Messi becomes the greatest ever? It's a very narrow way of looking at things.

 

[MrEleson]

This really. Context matters.

Higauin scores his 1 vs 1 in the 2014 WC final and suddenly Messi becomes the greatest ever? It's a very narrow way of looking at things.

Messi missed a similar 1-on-1 himself in the final so the fate of that game was in his own hands too.

 

[Gehrman]

Messi missed a similar 1-on-1 himself in the final so the fate of that game was in his own hands too.

Yeah, I agree, he had a good chance there. Not quite as good as Higuains, but a good chance none the less.

 

[MalcolmTucker]

Portugal were the shittiest team to win the Euros EVER.

Third in the group to Hungary and Iceland. No wins in the group, amass only 3 points. They only advance from the group stage because their goal difference was better than Turkey and Albania. No joke.

Knockouts - get outplayed by Croatia and need an extra time goal in the 117th minute. Gel boy was quiet all game. Renato Sanches MOTM

Outplayed by Poland, and the game this time goes to penalties. Renato Sanches again MOTM. Gel boy quiet.

Beat Wales convincingly in the semis. Not Germany, Italy, Spain... but Wales. First win for Portugal all tournament. Gel boy outshines the Welsh Ponytail. Good job.

Outplayed by France, gel boy has to leave the pitch in the first half. Portugal somehow fluke a win in extra time. Pulling an Eder becomes a meme. Pepe MOTM.

Gel boy fans go crazy and think that he's the greatest. Christ on a bike.

The details don't matter.

There is a human imperative for man to worship idols and religion sated that impulse for many a millennia. However in a modern secular society, to fill that void we now lionise celebrities and sportstars and hold them as idols. You see it in Trump, you see it in the Kardashians and you also see it in this thread. People who idolise Ronaldo create narratives and a mythology around him, when his team acheives something, no matter how he plays, it's because of his mentality, spirit and courage.

If you told a fundamentalist Christian that it would be impossible to build an ark that would fit two of every animal and it wouldn't shake their faith. Just like this accurate breakdown of Ronaldo's Euro win tournament won't shake theirs - he won an international trophy so he's the best. That's not to say the same doesn't apply to Messi, I'm sure there are Barca fans who are just as religious in their idolisation, however his unnoteworthy personality outside of his football ability makes him less of an obvious target for a cult like following.

I hope you enjoyed my thesis

 

[SportingCP96]

What’s this whole Ronaldo has done it for his country and Messi hasn’t about.

He was part of a team that won an international trophy but so has Giroud and Nani.

He’s scored a lot of goals in qualifiers where they’ve mostly come against teams like Lithuania, Latvia and Luxembourg. But for someone who is touted as being the greatest, his performances have been pretty poor at international tournaments. His goal ratio in Euros is on par with Nuno Gomes and he has the worst ratio out of anyone in the top 10 all time goal scorers.

Ronaldo hasnt produced any performances at major tournaments close to Messi in WC 2014 and Copa America 2015 and 2016. It is ridiculous to say that if higuain had scored the penalty in 2015 or the the one on one in 2014 Messi would then be considered Goat. Situations where Messi had absolutely no part in.

The WC where Messi did feck all in the KO stage while scoring against Iran in the groups? Bravo

Ronaldo is the KEY player in Portugal’s best ever finishes in major competitions.

Euro 04 Final (3 goals including one in the semi final)

16 Champions with him being the reason we made it out of the groups. Semi final goal, his shot caused the winning goal vs Croatia etc.

Please let’s not compare international Careers cause it’s a landslide win for Ronaldo.

 

[ThierryHenry14]

The one thing Ronaldo did better than Messi is he knew exactly the right time to leave a club for his own good. It is really sad to see the last year Messi with Barca turn out like this. I just watched MJ's "the last dance", and Messi's last dance with barcelona is nothing alike.

 

[Forevergiggs1]

Ronaldinho

Very good choice. I've already admitted being harsh on Ronaldo for not including him in my top 5 but for me it all depends on what metric is being used. Personally I think players like Ronaldinho, R9 and Zidane are more superior footballers than Ronaldo but where Ronaldo wins hands down is longevity. What metric do people choose? Longevity where Ronaldo enters in the top 5 easily or looking at the impact the players mentioned above had in their time? And I'm not saying Ronaldo only enters for longevity because he is definitely one of the best players to have lived. Just not on my list ( tried inserting smiley face but won't let me on mobile version)

 

[SportingCP96]

Here is the facts we know:

Ronaldo has 5 CL wins to Messi 3 (he has 4 but he had no influence in the 06 win at all as he barely played in the como)

Ronaldo won Balon d or league title and CL in Spain and England and is currently scoring for fun in Italy. So he is accomplished in 3 leagues.

Ronaldo has 1 major international trophy to Messi 0. Ronaldo is the main reason Portugal have enjoyed there most successful ever period on there history.

Coincidentally (maybe not) Messi most successful ever period came with the core of the greatest national team and club team of all time. Once those guys left his success was not the same.

Ronaldo is the greatest CL player of all time. Most wins (tied) most goals, most assists, Most KO goals by double what Messi has. You literally can’t even make this up.

Messi for Argentina is not the same player as Messi in Barcelona.

Ronaldo for Club and country gives you the same thing.

Never say die attitude, ability to lead a comeback on his own (think Wolfsburg, think atlético, think almost Lyon, think last minute goal vs Spain) meanwhile Messi just disappeared the past 3 CL KOs as his teams surrendered insurmountable leads. Bayern was not just him but his mentality was just terrible that game. No grit or fight with his back against the wall.

Hell even The penalty ca Juve in the 95th minute with over 2 minutes of stoppage. Those are extreme high pressure situation that Ronaldo is built for and Messi buckled under.

Lastly, Messi LITERALLY QUIT on his country after HIS missed penalty led to there defeat in the final. How is that the goat? Never in a million years can a player with that kind of mentality be considered the goat. Coincidently and fittingly Ronaldo won the Euro with Portugal that same summer. While one publicly quit for Argentina the other was spurring his country from the sidelines after being intentionally injured.


All the things I just stated are literal facts that happened.

Ronaldo is the greatest player of his generation.