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Nope.
Messi is the better player simply because he can do more, and has always been a better player imo. However, it's hard to argue that he is greater and in future, when people remember forget how they played( pele) and rather the moments, it's going to be a hard argument to make that he was greater. Personality and determination matter a lot. In my opinion, the simple consistency and longevity of both messi and ronaldo put them ahead of anyone else, but head to head, even though messi is better, ronaldo is a better leader and in turn takes charge whenever called upon.
Yep. It's the most reductionist narrative that's thrown around and it's bizarre. It'd be one thing if Ronaldo single-handedly carried them to the title but he categorically did not.
GTFOH....
Nonsense about the national team? You're having a laugh. Yes, Messi has been to 4 finals. So have the Buffalo Bills. And just like the Bills, Argentina and Messi choked. Ronaldo may have been injured in the final but if you're seriously trying to downplay his role in the team then you aren't just being a prat, you are showing your complete bias against Ronaldo. Messi is amazing. In my opinion he is the second best player ever. But there is only one GOAT. Disagree all you want, but Ronaldo has proved it time and time again. Not only does he score in bunched against the minnows (just like Messi), but he is also a big game player. Something Messi has proven time and time again not to be. 101 international goals is an absolutely amazing accomplishment. And it won't be long before Ronaldo is the all time leading international goal scorer. More than Pele, more than Maradonna, and certainly more than Messi. The man is a beast...and BTW....Ronaldo may not have as many assists as Messi, but he is the third highest assist in La Liga history, so please don't underrate his creativity when he has more assists than some of the best players to ever play in La Liga other than Messi and Xavi. Also keep in mind that Ronaldo did all this in 10 years while Messi has been playing in LaLiga for 16 and Xavi played for 17...
https://www.sportskeeda.com/footbal... Assists ,Luis Figo. Luis Figo was a... More
You seem to have no idea what the word "literally" means. Or what the word "facts" mean, for that matter.
That comment does Nothing to go against everything I just said. Which is not opinion it all literally happened.
The moment he quit on his country which coincided with Ronaldo winning a major trophy for his country that was it.
That’s all she wrote, GG pack the bags.
The man literally QUIT when have you ever seen a. Player recognized as a GOAT do that? You think MJ is the Goat because he quit? you think Brady is the Goat because he quit? The list goes on and on.
Let’s not conventionally forget that.
When it comes to being the GOAT mentality and leadership matter just as much as talent.
Ronaldo happens to have an abundance of both....Messi? Has one for sure but...not so much the other.
Besides the *opinion where is said Ronaldo is the greatest of his generation, please tell me what else I said in that post that is not true. Because everything stated happened.
He is and it's not even close. Messi might have been the more talented one. Ronaldo achieved way more though.
Don't do this @TheMagicFoolBus, it's a trap.
Your entire argument boils down to giving Ronaldo a disproportionate amount of credit for his teams' successes whilst proclaiming various and specious character defects are literally true of Messi and therefore make him worse. Pointless fanboying. If Messi were Portuguese and Ronaldo Argentinian you'd be on the other side of the argument.
Also this argument that he did it in more leagues is so tiresome. Is Anelka some all time great because he played in 7 fecking leagues or whatever he ended up with? Of course not.
It’s fine I’ll wait
I'm well known to be baited by the ol' Tuga Trap; I do live in Portugal now after all!
Just himself. No Tevez , Rooney or Scholes. No Alonso, Marcelo, Benzema or Di Maria. Definitely no Ozil. Just Ronaldo... all alone.
You unsurprisingly chose not to comment on the fact he quit on his country. so again I ask how can someone who quit on there be considered a goat?
Also no I am looking at what is presented to me. For example.
What did Portugal do before Ronaldo began to play for them? How many times did they qualify? How well did they place etc. IF those Numbers increase and get better (this at a time where besides Moutinho and Nani the team were full of potatoes) then it must have been because of him.
Real Madrid won a 3 Peat and 4 CL while Ronaldo was there was the team good? Of course it was but who was the X factor on those teams? The guy who has over 60 goals in the knockout phases and over 15 goals in the competition for multiple season. Ok so 2/2
He did it in United as well right? Who was the main player and best player on that team in both finals appearances? Alright there we go.
Now look at Messi was he always the best player in Barca ? Of course he was because to me he is the 2nd best player of all time BUT is it a coincidence his best ever season were with the core of the greatest national team of all time? Yes
What did that core go on to accomplish without Messi? They won everything, they cleaner house in Europe and in the World Cup
What did Messi do for his country in that time who btw for a majority of his career he had a superior national team then Portugal as of course Argentina is a traditional superpower.. well what did he do? Nada, he is not the same player for Argentina as he is for Barca.
Also the league thing does matter which is why I was so excited for the possibility of him leaving to England.
Spain is a 2 team league and for the past 12 years bar a few season Barca have had the superior team of them all (once again core of the greatest national team of all time) the team play a certain way that he has been used to for years.
The only glimpse of Messi out of Barca that we see is Argentina and they don’t look the same which makes you wonder how he would be with a team with different players, coach, ideas etc.
Also do you think it is an accident Ronaldo has double the KO goals then Messi? The KO rounds are the big time those are where every goal counts and he outshines anyone In that category.
The problem is if anyone goes against the idea of Messi being the best it has to be “fanboyism” when in fact it’s more so at looking at the things places in front of you and looking for yourself.
I hope you loved it here! It’s a beautiful country! I suggest going to a game at the Alvalade
Dribbler, passer, finisher, set piece taker
I saw what you did there
I love them both, and feel blessed to have had a decade and half to enjoy what they have done. Always had a soft spot for Ronaldo though.
But if I am looking at it unbiasedly then I would have to say, Messi is the more technical player, but Ronaldo has by and far achieved the best career out of both.
All depends on how you measure greatness I guess, but goes without saying, both are the greatest players of their generation by a long distance.
But if I am looking at it unbiasedly then I would have to say, Messi is the more technical player, but Ronaldo has by and far achieved the best career out of both.
All depends on how you measure greatness I guess, but goes without saying, both are the greatest players of their generation by a long distance.
So Messi is worse than Ronaldo because the Argentinian FA is completely incompetent & corrupt? They hired Maradona as a manager for feck's sake. Messi standing up to them and using his leverage worked and brought about real change. How is this an argument against Messi?
The bolded is fecking ridiculous. So because Argentina won things before Messi was born they automatically had a better squad? Man for man the Portuguese national team has been significantly better than that of Argentina over the past 15-16 years. Argentina are maybe the most imbalanced country in the world in terms of where their quality is distributed - the best non-attacking players they've had with Messi have been who? Mascherano? Past-it Zanetti? Mediocre Zabaleta? Madman Otamendi? Traffic cone Demichelis?
The league thing doesn't matter one iota. Both these players are highly decorated in the Champions League. Messi has scored the 3rd most goals against England's top 6 of any player since 11/12.
And where on earth are you getting double the KO goals? I see it as 63 to 45 in favour of Ronaldo. Obviously that's a not-insignificant gap and is a point for Ronaldo, but it's certainly not as stark a difference as you're suggesting. Again, hyperbole.
Claro, e um pais mesmo muito lindo! Ja fui ao Alvalade umas vezes mas minha esposa e uma Benfiqista...I hope you loved it here! It’s a beautiful country! I suggest going to a game at the Alvalade
What did I do? Messi is a better dribbler. That's it. And if you ask Ronaldo he will say Messi has a better left foot. Other than that, Ronaldo is either equal to or superior. Messi may have better passing stats, but it's not because Ronaldo can't make those passes. It's because he is the one on the end of those passes. He can do a lot of things, but he can't pass the ball to himself
Maybe not completely alone but he was by far the most pivotal player on each of those teams. It's fair to say that neither side would have achieved as much if he wasn't there.
Por menos foste ao melhor estádio do país! Ainda vais a tempo de fazer a tua mulher uma sportinguista!
Literally a one-man team. Had to play goalkeeper as well. If that doesn't make you the goat, I don't know what does.
Pois, e muito lindo mas tambem eu adoro o estadio de Braga!
E acho que nao sera possivel com minha esposa - e portuguesa e toda a familia e benfiquistas!
O Braga tem um estádio lindo mas os afetos não enchem o estádio como deviam fazer!
Se puderes devias ver um jogo no estádio de Guimarães. Para mim os adeptos deles são os melhores a seguir aos três grandes. Adeptos fervorosos e malucas pelo clube. Estão a construir uma grande equipa com jovens talentos e ontem comprarem o Ricardo Quaresma!
Poor Ronaldo had to play with such a subpar Real Madrid over the years (Raul, Benzema, Higuain, Kaka, Ozil, di Maria, Bale, Modric, Kroos, Isco, Xabi Alonso, Pepe, Ramos, Marcelo, Varane, Carvajal, Casillas) against the mean Catalans who just insist hogging the ball and dominating play.
And Messi is so overrated, he doesn't score in El Classico at all I mean Barca won 5-0, 4-0 and 3-0 and Messi was not even on the scoresheet. Such a loser! He's nothing without Xavi, Iniesta and Suarez and Neymar.
And Messi is so overrated, he doesn't score in El Classico at all I mean Barca won 5-0, 4-0 and 3-0 and Messi was not even on the scoresheet. Such a loser! He's nothing without Xavi, Iniesta and Suarez and Neymar.
Ya I didn’t even bother commenting on that post haha Just thinking of the likes of Postiga, Hugo Almeida, Raul Meireles, Miguel Veloso, Varela, and Danny give me PTSD.
No one said Ronaldo played with bad players though?
The point is how did that core in Barca do without Messi? They conquered it all.
Also...
Are people still ignoring the fact he fecking QUIT on his country after a game where he sent a pen to the moon?!
That alone makes him not the GOAT. Anyone who quits on there team ESPECIALLY there county just disqualified themselves.
Ronaldo went from the richest most dominating team in the PL to the richest most dominating team in Spain to the richest most dominating team in Italy. This is somehow irrefutable proof he's the greatest footballer that has ever lived.
Cruyff quit his country in 78, doesn't make him any less great.
Ronaldo quit Man Utd after Moscow, that makes him a quitter and whiner in my book.
Portuguese FA has been every bit as incompetent and corrupt throughout the years. And we had plenty of terrible managers.
Before managing the national team the most known achievement of Fernando Santos in Portugal was losing a league title with Porto to a roundabout in Porto
To say Ronaldo is as good at passing as Messi is like me saying Messi is as tall as RonaldoWhat did I do? Messi is a better dribbler. That's it. And if you ask Ronaldo he will say Messi has a better left foot. Other than that, Ronaldo is either equal to or superior. Messi may have better passing stats, but it's not because Ronaldo can't make those passes. It's because he is the one on the end of those passes. He can do a lot of things, but he can't pass the ball to himself
Not only does Ronaldo not make the passes Messi makes, he doesn't even see them.
Madrid were the most dominant team in Spain?! Lmaooo
Sure I guess we can gracefully ignore that Messi for a majority of his career ALWAYS had the better team
When Ronaldo joined United were they the most dominant team in the country? Was he not the X factor in United being so dominant? Did United Have a great team? Yes
Yet that Barca team played them out the park. That Barca team was the greatest club team in history and that core was part of the greater national team in history.
His dream was to play for Madrid and he stayed another season in United Before making his dream move.
Your comparing a transfer to a player publicly quitting on his team the moment the game ended? Like I said one of the greatest he is but the greatest ever? Not with that mentality. Not possible.
What is the point in this debate?
520 pages and has anyone’s opinion changed since page 1 after many, many detailed posts to back up their choice?
I am done debating it, it’s tiresome.
520 pages and has anyone’s opinion changed since page 1 after many, many detailed posts to back up their choice?
I am done debating it, it’s tiresome.
I watched that tournament and I do think Ronaldo did a lot for Portugal to reach the finals, not only scorin but being very active in both attacking and defending for his team. So I'm not sure how people can conclude he wasn't a key player in that tournament for Portugal.
Of course football is always a team sports and no one can do it alone. You don't have to make it sound so dramatic. None of the players you've mentioned has managed to dominate the world football in a way similar to Xavi and Iniesta did during that period though, and that's my original point.
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