Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now

[ayushreddevil9]

My fulltime job is not a scout at Carrington. But as a fan I've noticed Sane' move for 45m, Gnabry move for 22m, Coman move for 23m, Salah move for 46m, Bernardo Silva move for 55m, Ferran Torres move for 25m. You don't necessarily have to pay 120m to "find" talent, there's been plenty of talent that have changed teams for a fraction of that.

There you go. When asked about options you come up with "its not my job". So maybe let the ones who are in that job do their thing? Or is it a general tendency for fans to moan for anything the club does?

How about trying to get a player that fits the profile a manager is looking for? And get the best one out there fitting that profile?

I wish PSG thought that it's wasn't worth paying 180m for talent like Mbappe or even City when they signed KdB for big money pre Neymar transfer. Only if it was so easy to find talent, with fitting profile, shopping in bargain bins that offers similar quality as what Jadon does.

But yeah I guess running the club are clueless fecks who should just listen to fans who witness transfers happening under special circumstances like last year of contract, players recovering from ACL, the club being in ruins ala Valencia.

People complained when we just got the players for the sake of it. People complain when there are standards set for recruitment. The complaints and moaning is the only thing constant here.

 

[Judas]

It's been awhile but I'm glad there's still dangerously worrying people on here offering up Wilfred bloody Zaha as an alternative.


Also, my Sancho senses are really tingling today.

 

[TheHeya]

Is today Sancho day?

 

[Drawfull]

Is today Sancho day?

Pope. Catholic. Silly hat. Bear. Woods.

 

[Andy_Cole]

There you go. When asked about options you come up with "its not my job". So maybe let the ones who are in that job do their thing? Or is it a general tendency for fans to moan for anything the club does?

How about trying to get a player that fits the profile a manager is looking for? And get the best one out there fitting that profile?

I wish PSG thought that it's wasn't worth paying 180m for talent like Mbappe or even City when they signed KdB for big money pre Neymar transfer. Only if it was so easy to find talent, with fitting profile, shopping in bargain bins that offers similar quality as what Jadon does.

But yeah I guess running the club are clueless fecks who should just listen to fans who witness transfers happening under special circumstances like last year of contract, players recovering from ACL, the club being in ruins ala Valencia.

People complained when we just got the players for the sake of it. People complain when there are standards set for recruitment. The complaints and moaning is the only thing constant here.

Fans seem to want us to magically get the best players for peanuts. We have to remember also that if we’re not spending the money it’ll just be paid out as dividends to the glazers. Why do we get so worked up about the fees? Leave it to the club accountant. I’d rather worry about the squad quality.

 

[The Man Himself]

That'd be a bitch. A slut is someone who sleeps with everyone. A bitch is someone who sleeps with everyone but you.

Finally we are into the 'sleeping with' analogies. Always a crucial part of any transfer saga

 

[TheNewEra]

Today is the day!

 

[murali_red]

Who are you to tell me to stop posting? Are you a judge? Is this a court? This is a forum and we are all free to discuss. My point is the Glazers are the owner of this club and it's within their right to do whatever they want with their investment. It's also within their right if they decide not to splurge 120 million euro on a commodity. It's easy to talk when this is not your money. Man Utd is a global listed corporation, an entity with shareholders to account to. You don't just go out and spend over 100 million euros just because of a group of naive and childish fans moaning for the next new shiny toy.

Shareholders where glazers have a the say, good if you buying that. Manchester United were a global giant long ago before glazers, they only listed to make some profits. Who are you to say fans are naive and childish, it appears you the one behaving so. Does that all the clubs and fans who payed over 100 million naive? Everything is about perspective, unfortunately it appears you only see the financial side but without success it will take a hit as well

 

[ayushreddevil9]

Last year we got Dan James for 15m. We know how that turned out. Are we expected to just keep signing cheap players hoping that one of them turn out to be good?

 

[Sultan]

Part of the summers' transfer budget was Bruno. Anyway, I reckon whats' hurting the club's finances is the dross the club has been purchasing over the last 7 years and very likely still paying the instalments on those purchases. Then there are the contract extensions given away like confetti on players who are basically not up to standard or on semi-permanent sick leave. There's obviously the dividend payments which need to be honoured when most sensible owners would cancel or defer for a later date during these times. United's success on the pitch should be looked at as long term goal and not just getting into the Champions League if that is the goal of the owners. They want to get winning big trophies before losing the younger generation of future fans who will then spoon-feed the owners.

 

[Still ill]

Last year we got Dan James for 15m. We know how that turned out to be. Are we expected to just keep signing cheap players hoping that one of them turn out to be good?

Well we don't know how that turned out, do we? We're a year in on a punt on a young player. James was never intended to be an immediate starter. A bit ridiculous comparing his signing and this potential one.

 

[Sultan]

Big day today

Yes

Jummah Mubarak

 

[ayushreddevil9]

Well we don't know how that turned out, do we? We're a year in on a punt on a young player. James was never intended to be an immediate starter. A bit ridiculous comparing his signing and this potential one.

Before James the squad had no recognized RW. And whatever people are suggesting i.e save money shop elsewhere quoting Gnabry, Coman etc who weren't starting XI material at the time they were signed, we did the same with James. At least that's how I see it.

 

[ayushreddevil9]

Fans seem to want us to magically get the best players for peanuts. We have to remember also that if we’re not spending the money it’ll just be paid out as dividends to the glazers. Why do we get so worked up about the fees? Leave it to the club accountant. I’d rather worry about the squad quality.

Because moaning is important.

 

[SirAnderson]

Happy Sancho day errrrbody!

 

[giggs-beckham]

Quick question, does he need to bulk up a bit for our league?

 

[Sultan]

Before James the squad had no recognized RW. And whatever people are suggesting i.e save money shop elsewhere quoting Gnabry, Coman etc who weren't starting XI material at the time they were signed, we did the same with James. At least that's how I see it.

Ayush bhai,

It's pretty simple to quote players after they become a success. Hindsight and all that! However, does anyone, ever mention the players purchased with potential and failed? There will be many multiples of these types of players not succeeding and losing clubs many millions.

 

[Godfather]

Quick question, does he need to bulk up a bit for our league?

He is stocky enough.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

I think he's a very good player and will definitely improve our attacking options without question but I still don't think he's worth 108m either.

Still want us to get him though and at this point it's going to be a huge disappointment for many people of course if we don't. Overpaying for players has become our thing really. But I'd rather overpay for a good player which he is.

 

[RiqCantona]

Fellow Muppets of Muppetland, I believe today will be Sancho day (Sancho weekend). Here me out.
I'm not an ITK or anything but this is my assessment of the situation. If we don't get positive news by today ( absolute latest by Monday) - I personally don't think it would be happening this window. This is why:

1) Have been following various news reports regarding i) the previous Aug 10 deadline, ii) Dortmund already planning for next season with Sancho, and iii) not enough time to get a replacement before the season. I would imagine, if I were in Dortmund's place, either he is out this weekend, or he stays. I don't think they would drag this on till Oct 5th - they wouldn't risk it. This would be the absolute final deadline.

2) There was a "breakthrough" in the deal apparently (agent, personal terms, fee, etc etc) whatever it is - on Wednesday. So things should be happening behind-the-scenes already as we speak. It cannot drag on any longer than it already has as I think both clubs will start to lose patience. There literally is no reason for a further delay, if we are to believe reports of a breakthrough. The saga has already gone on for the entire window. Now, it is going to come down to a very simple yes or no. It's either happening or its not.

3) If it's a NO tonight, then we would have just over 3 weeks to find a replacement from today. Reaching an agreement with another player/club would take at least a couple more weeks. If we let this drag on for another week, and its still negative - we literally won't have time to sign a decent replacement and end up panic buying.

So bottom line is - all fingers point to today for some reason. I have a gut feeling that something should happen tonight (even if not 100% official confirmation). Expecting news one way or the other. Let's just hope that its the news we have all been waiting for. Fingers crossed.

 

[romufc]

I think he's a very good player and will definitely improve our attacking options without question but I still don't think he's worth 108m either.

Still want us to get him though and at this point it's going to be a huge disappointment for many people of course if we don't.

Maybe as a player his worth is questionable. As Maguire, it's more how much he is valued for Manutd.
We are desperate for a RW, like we were for a CB and clubs know this.

If we say he is £10/20m too expensive and we have a poor season and then next season someone else gets him, we will all be saying we should have signed him.

I know we need other players but they will be around, Sancho is a must Imo.

 

[Zehner]

He should have been ignored 300 pages back too, I reckon! I'm gonna leave him to it, he seems to be enjoying combing through this thread and regurgitating his rebuttals. Keep doing the lord's work, Zehner!

But nah, I'm thankful for the experience but I think I've had enough for a while

 

[ayushreddevil9]

Ayush bhai,

It's pretty simple to quote players after they become a success. Hindsight and all that! However, does anyone, ever mention the players purchased with potential and failed? There will be many multiples of these types of players not succeeding and losing clubs many millions.

They won't. They want the best signings at the first attempt for the cheapest prices.

I can talk about Nolito, Jesus Navas, Borini, Cuadrado, Mkhitaryan, Nicolas Pepe and other wingers who were signed for cheaper prices.

There is an element of luck required with a signing. The only thing you can do to ensure that the signing doesn't turn out bad is getting the best player available that fits your requirements. The numbers Jadon has put up during the last 2 seasons shows he is operating at a great level.

 

[Sandikan]

Everyone knows we have to hit 1000 pages for this to happenm

 

[Nou_Camp99]

Maybe as a player his worth is questionable. As Maguire, it's more how much he is valued for Manutd.
We are desperate for a RW, like we were for a CB and clubs know this.

If we say he is £10/20m too expensive and we have a poor season and then next season someone else gets him, we will all be saying we should have signed him.

I know we need other players but they will be around, Sancho is a must Imo.

Overpaying is something we just seem to do. Still a very good player and we'd rather have him than not wouldnt we?

Don't think he's done enough yet to warrant such a fee. Have Dortmund even won anything with him?

 

[Inigo Montoya]

1000 pages beckon

 

[ayushreddevil9]

We're in the end game now.

 

[romufc]

Overpaying is something we just seem to do. Still a very good player and we'd rather have him than not wouldnt we?

Don't think he's done enough yet to warrant such a fee. Have Dortmund even won anything with him?

Well, the market is not based on trophies, there is alot more to it. He's had 2 consistent seasons, he was creating chances and scoring goals in the league and CL, he is 20, he can play RW and LW, there isnt that many wingers who can play both positions as effectively in the modern game.

Then there is the case of other transfers such as Felix, Griezman last year and Havertz this year. Sancho is more talented than Havertz.

He went to Dortmund to do exactly this, develop into a top talent, now he wants a move for trophies. He could say the opposite, why should I join United? What have you won in the last 3 years?

 

[do.ob]

Expected far more Dortmund mouthpieces to have debunked this by now if it wasn't true.

Why? It's not a big story in Germany. English press have spread so many stupid and obviously false rumours regarding Bundesliga players over the years people don't take them very seriously anymore. Dortmund seem to have given a clear answer to one of their more reliable outlets, so people who were wondering about it got their answer.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

Big day today

I agree.

Just not for Manchester United, Sancho or Dortmund.

But someone out there is probably getting married today

 

[RkkMan]

We won`t hear anything serious from the BVB press till we actually make a bid don`t know why anyone expected anything else. I suspect this saga will drag on a little as Dortmund will make things VERY difficult for us me feels but we`ll still get it done

 

[Brownie85]

Why? It's not a big story in Germany. English press have spread so many stupid and obviously false rumours regarding Bundesliga players over the years people don't take them very seriously anymore. Dortmund seem to have given a clear answer to one of their more reliable outlets, so people who were wondering about it got their answer.

Yep because we all know Dortmund speak nothing but the truth regarding their players and transfer activity, as they've proven throughout the years.

I'm thinking there's a lot more to this than the clubs are telling the media

 

[Pexbo]

Yes

Jummah Mubarak

Jummah Mubarak to you too Sultan x

 

[Tincanalley]

I could smell a con artist from 1000 miles away and I knew @altodevil was one with his post. Cocks out tonight he says . Similar to the way I can smell Ole. This upcoming season is for Ole to prove me wrong as he clearly didn’t last season. Sancho, Bruno, Mason, or one of our many other world class talent will be his (Essence of) Ronaldo and hide his flaw if we meet my expectations I can imagine. We have a top squad that should be challenging for titles.

So @altodevil Smells no Better that Ole?

 

[red thru&thru]

Happy Sancho day, everyone.

Need this sorted soon...my F5 button is starting to misfire!

 

[Skåre Willoch]

Ah, I can't wait to read 10 more tweets about how we've agreed to personal terms, but Dortmund is still demanding €120m.
And that we've found a solution with the agent fees.
And that we're preparing a bid of £X + add ons, but Dortmund want the full €120m guaranteed.



Happy Sancho day, everyone!

 

[MDFC Manager]

Can we get to 1000 pages by Sunday morning?

 

[Red Company]

Doing my part posting this useless post if getting to 1000 pages is what gets the deal done.

Anything for King Ed (Dumbward) .

 

[LawCharltonBest]

What do people think needs to happen next in this public saga? United saying personal terms agreed. Dortmund saying Sancho seems happy and won't agitate to move.

Watzke said this 6 months ago..

"You always have to respect what the player wants," Watzke told Bild. "We already said before corona that our preference is for Jadon to remain with us"

"I can say clearly that even the very rich clubs, despite the current existential crisis, shouldn't think they can get a bargain from us. We don't have to sell anyone below their value."

https://www.skysports.com/football/...not-stand-in-the-way-of-potential-summer-exit

Makes me think they're just waiting for Sancho to publically agitate for the move so it looks like it's out their hands.

 

[The Man Himself]

@Amadaeus can identify a con artist by smelling their cocks when they are out is the new thing we learnt overnight. Here I was thinking he only sniffs & sucks Poch's.