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Son is a better LW than Martial there’s no argument.
There is and I will argue Martial's trickery just about edges it for me, even though he's playing CF now, most of his best work comes from collecting the ball from the left and cutting in.
 

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Son is much better at LW than Martial. It would be between Kane & Martial for the CF soot, depending on how you would want to play. I would probably go with Martial myself, as he adds more to the build up I feel & brings more players into the game. Kane is more lethal but goes missing much more. Son is a must start.
Kane is excellent in build up play, he could play as a 10 if he wasn't such a good goal scorer
 

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I am not sure what you mean with that. What holiday?
I was just curious as to why he downed tools and buggered off to play golf. If it wasn’t being dropped, then what was the thing that pushed him over the edge?
 

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If the reported 20m is going to be the total outlay, I am less disappointed we won't get him. It may not be broken down as such, probably to maintain harmony amongst Spurs top earners, but Spurs are effectively paying 70% of Bale's wages at 400k.
I imagine it will be reported they are paying 200k or less....
 

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I have a feeling the "injury" will disappear once he is transferred.
He got it on international duty with Wales apparently. Don't think it has anything to do with Real lying over it. Let's see mate, wouldn't really mind him playing against us. By then i hope Sancho is done too
 

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If the reported 20m is going to be the total outlay, I am less disappointed we won't get him. It may not be broken down as such, probably to maintain harmony amongst Spurs top earners, but Spurs are effectively paying 70% of Bale's wages at 400k.
I imagine it will be reported they are paying 200k or less....
I would say its been worked out to keep our wage structure, loan fee etc. Remember when Real signed Bale they lied about the fee, they will also not want it known what wages they are still paying Bale. I dont care about much of that, I wanna know whats in place after this one year loan.
 

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He got it on international duty with Wales apparently. Don't think it has anything to do with Real lying over it. Let's see mate, wouldn't really mind him playing against us. By then i hope Sancho is done too
Its down as "knee problems" on transfermarkt, no idea but would be funny if he was fit to start on Sataurday, if he signs of course.
 

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Its down as "knee problems" on transfermarkt, no idea but would be funny if he was fit to start on Sataurday, if he signs of course.
If he starts against Southampton he could well be out by the time he plays us , that would be quite a run of games for him.
 

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I was just curious as to why he downed tools and buggered off to play golf. If it wasn’t being dropped, then what was the thing that pushed him over the edge?
Bad relationship with Zidane, likely the club as well, Asensio's return meant more competition(now against Zidane's ideal starter), and i guess he didn't like being treated like a squad player. He got 30 minutes in the first post-lockdown game and was pathetic, unused sub in the next 2, then started in the fourth and gave the kind of performance that basically said "don't play me anymore". After which Zidane stopped considering him at all
 

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Bale kane son front three for Jose. You simply can't bet against Jose now he will finish outside top 4 with that front 3.

Jose will kill oppos with orchestrated counters.watch out.
 

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Bad relationship with Zidane, likely the club as well, Asensio's return meant more competition(now against Zidane's ideal starter), and i guess he didn't like being treated like a squad player. He got 30 minutes in the first post-lockdown game and was pathetic, unused sub in the next 2, then started in the fourth and gave the kind of performance that basically said "don't play me anymore". After which Zidane stopped considering him at all
Ok thanks for that. So it wasn’t Zidane freezing him out, Bale took it personally and threw his dummy out.
 

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Why did Bale go on a strop in the first place? I get that Asensio took his place in the team, but Zidane seemed determined to feck with him every chance he got. Why not just manage him well and have him rotate with the other forwards? Surely there's enough games for them all.

Why deliberately piss someone off to the point they go into self-induced golf exile just to get away from you? He was still a good player, right?
It's a very strange situation as it's not normal the most talented offensive player in a squad is left out of it. On the one hand, Zidane surely saw something wrong there and probably got very angered/disappointed at some point, on the other hand it's a very radical decision no matter the circumstances.

Last season Barnett said the situation could be explained very easily, he said Bale had no problems with the club. It was just a matter of Zidane not liking Bale and not having any communication with him. Zidane's declarations to the press last season were also a bit too much. I guess we'll need more time to know what was going on behind the scenes.

On a different note, Bale is still a phenomenal player and a joy to watch if he's on tune. On his advantage he will be extra motivated and will have the coach's confidence, which is nothing but good news for him. I wish him all the best at Tottenham.
 

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I was just curious as to why he downed tools and buggered off to play golf. If it wasn’t being dropped, then what was the thing that pushed him over the edge?
my biased opinion:

I don't think that there was any single incident, but its the result of a long process that frustrated all sides. Bale was bought as top player, marketed as star and paid as superstar. When Ronaldo was still playing for Real, the team was build around him and everyone else including Bale had to adjust to fit in. Bale never complained and was always willing to do much more of the dirty work, but I am pretty sure that the club would have liked to get a bit more from him on the pitch and in terms of leadership. A bit more like Neymar at Barcelona.
Previous to Ronaldo leaving, Perez extended his contract with improved conditions. The message was: okay, maybe you are second to Ronaldo, but once he leaves/declines, its going to be Bale's team. Long story short: When Ronaldo left, Bale offered more or less the same. Neither his performances nor his position in the team changed much, but now he was much more exposed, because he was expected to step up. Imo, Zidane never saw him as the center-piece and there was build-in tension between Zidane's opinion, Perez wish for Bale to have a bigger role and Bale, who was always very restrained. I think Bale is a bit too nice/quite for a team with lots of big egos, where everyone is under a lot of pressure. Last season it was Benzema, who stepped up big time, not Bale.

I think this gap between what was expected of Bale and who he was in his own rights frustrated everyone involved. I think Perez thought that he could "shape" Bale into this Real Madrid-esque superstar, but that didn't work. I think Real Madrid, especially Perez (not Zidane) are to blame for most of this. Imo before his contract extension it was apparent that Bale is a very good player, but he'll never be the kind of player that is leading Real Madrid and they should have acted accordingly.

Where I disagree heavily with some posters here is, that Madrid was holding Bale back or are to blame for his performances. Real's mistake was that they expected too much, including things that Bale simply couldn't/wouldn't do (on and off the pitch). These high expectations and the pressure didn't motivate Bale to push himself to his limit. Instead he lost interest in playing for them. That the part where I think Bale himself is to blame to some extend; he can't make excuses for his own performances. Hampered by injuries and lacking motivation, his performance deteriorated further. There was a period, when it wasn't particularly noticeable that he missed normal league matches, because the replacements offered more or less the same. During the last season, the youngsters just performed better than him.

Personally, I think a loan to Spurs is a interesting solution for all sides. The financial risk of a loan is overstated and usually I'd say that Tottenham's environment would suit him. Its more in his comfort zone. The problem could be that Jose is a specialist in making everything toxic and Tottenham's dressing room seems to be a bit dysfunktional. I am curious to see what he can do under these circumstances.
 

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It's a very strange situation as it's not normal the most talented offensive player in a squad is left out of it. On the one hand, Zidane surely saw something wrong there and probably got very angered/disappointed at some point, on the other hand it's a very radical decision no matter the circumstances.

Last season Barnett said the situation could be explained very easily, he said Bale had no problems with the club. It was just a matter of Zidane not liking Bale and not having any communication with him. Zidane's declarations to the press last season were also a bit too much. I guess we'll need more time to know what was going on behind the scenes.

On a different note, Bale is still a phenomenal player and a joy to watch if he's on tune. On his advantage he will be extra motivated and will have the coach's confidence, which is nothing but good news for him. I wish him all the best at Tottenham.
Ok, I did wonder if part of it was his agent embellishing things. He has always struck me as a bit of a knob, who isn't afraid to look like one to big up his client. Clearly good at his job though, I guess.
my biased opinion:

I don't think that there was any single incident, but its the result of a long process that frustrated all sides. Bale was bought as top player, marketed as star and paid as superstar. When Ronaldo was still playing for Real, the team was build around him and everyone else including Bale had to adjust to fit in. Bale never complained and was always willing to do much more of the dirty work, but I am pretty sure that the club would have liked to get a bit more from him on the pitch and in terms of leadership. A bit more like Neymar at Barcelona.
Previous to Ronaldo leaving, Perez extended his contract with improved conditions. The message was: okay, maybe you are second to Ronaldo, but once he leaves/declines, its going to be Bale's team. Long story short: When Ronaldo left, Bale offered more or less the same. Neither his performances nor his position in the team changed much, but now he was much more exposed, because he was expected to step up. Imo, Zidane never saw him as the center-piece and there was build-in tension between Zidane's opinion, Perez wish for Bale to have a bigger role and Bale, who was always very restrained. I think Bale is a bit too nice/quite for a team with lots of big egos, where everyone is under a lot of pressure. Last season it was Benzema, who stepped up big time, not Bale.

I think this gap between what was expected of Bale and who he was in his own rights frustrated everyone involved. I think Perez thought that he could "shape" Bale into this Real Madrid-esque superstar, but that didn't work. I think Real Madrid, especially Perez (not Zidane) are to blame for most of this. Imo before his contract extension it was apparent that Bale is a very good player, but he'll never be the kind of player that is leading Real Madrid and they should have acted accordingly.

Where I disagree heavily with some posters here is, that Madrid was holding Bale back or are to blame for his performances. Real's mistake was that they expected too much, including things that Bale simply couldn't/wouldn't do (on and off the pitch). These high expectations and the pressure didn't motivate Bale to push himself to his limit. Instead he lost interest in playing for them. That the part where I think Bale himself is to blame to some extend; he can't make excuses for his own performances. Hampered by injuries and lacking motivation, his performance deteriorated further. There was a period, when it wasn't particularly noticeable that he missed normal league matches, because the replacements offered more or less the same. During the last season, the youngsters just performed better than him.

Personally, I think a loan to Spurs is a interesting solution for all sides. The financial risk of a loan is overstated and usually I'd say that Tottenham's environment would suit him. Its more in his comfort zone. The problem could be that Jose is a specialist in making everything toxic and Tottenham's dressing room seems to be a bit dysfunktional. I am curious to see what he can do under these circumstances.
Ah right, so Madrid were expecting Bale to be something he's not. Perez wanted the Neymar-type poster boy to build a team around, and neither him nor Zidane were having it. Wouldn't be the first time this sort of expectation and board-meddling had hindered Real on the pitch. Wasn't the reason they sold Makelale because they didn't think he was marketable or good looking enough? Same with Ronaldinho?

If that's the case then there's no reason he shouldn't be one of Spurs better players right away. The place has changed a lot since he left, but at least he'll know what they want from him and how he can deliver it.
 

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Wait they're paying him full wages?

On Spurs books it will be around 200k but they are apparently also paying a loan fee as well, total outlay will be around 20m, so effectively is about a 400k p/w wage deduction for Real over the year
 

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On Spurs books it will be around 200k but they are apparently also paying a loan fee as well, total outlay will be around 20m, so effectively is about a 400k p/w wage deduction for Real over the year
That's a terrible deal for Spurs if true for someone who won't stay fit. The reports I've seen have said around £250k per week Spurs will play, which is still pretty high but relatively not terrible.
 

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He stays fit, he will smash this season. Need to put a big "if" at the front of that statement, of course
Yep. He is a magnificent footballer. When a footballer has no motivation due to being badly treated, can you really blame him? None of us is would want to be publicly shamed by our respective bosses. Providing he stays fit, I predict a 20 goal season. Hope not though.
 

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When will Spurs play Man United? Can't wait for the match. Bale is the same age as Aubameyang so 31 is not that old nowadays. Lewandowski is 32 already.
 

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When will Spurs play Man United? Can't wait for the match. Bale is the same age as Aubameyang so 31 is not that old nowadays. Lewandowski is 32 already.
Yes but Bale is a crock. The other two have great injury records.

Slightly concerned he'll feature for about 10 games this season and two of those will be against us.
 
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