Wot, no transfers? It's all happening now!

[Green Arrow]

The only way we will be getting rid of the deadwood will be when their contracts expire and they get a testimonial.

Don't see any other way they will leave. We are a shambles of a club.

 

[48 hours]

I'd like to see a table of all the clubs expenditure so far into a window to see where we currently at.

Thought all the noodles sponsorships and Ed's business genius over the years would have been able to see us through covid 19, but all the media transfer journos makes out like it's affected us the most.

Also, to add we really need to improve on how to get to rid of players but also for a fair price. We always end up getting sod all or players always end up here longer than they should, rotting away i.e. lingard, darmian, rojo, Jones etc. Partially because of ridiculous contracts too.

we are 9th in the premiership...or 7th on net spend currently

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/einnahmenausgaben/wettbewerb/GB1

 

[DomesticTadpole]

We can do things in the transfer market that other clubs can only dream of.

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We can be best at the things that don't cost anything.

Tweet

— Twitter API (@user) date

He sounds like a manager of a gym.

 

[Coops73]

What’s your point? That having the GDP of a small nation piled into your football club is an advantage? If so, I think that goes without saying!

Problem is, it’s pretty hard to argue we’re hard done by when we’ve spent more net than Real Madrid, Barcelona, Liverpool, Chelsea, Bayern Munich and Juventus since 2010...

Lest we forget, we spent £70m net last summer and we’ve already spent £85m this year so far. The Glazers don’t control WHO we buy, that’s down the Ed, the Scouting team and the Manager. We can rightly point to the money we’ve spent on re-financing and dividends but the fact remains, the Glazers will feel £1BN net on transfers in 10yrs should be enough to compete for every trophy

It’s not just City and PSG even Liverpool’s owners have put some of their own money into the club and Henry, Tom Werner and Mike Gordon don’t even take a salary from the club.

Everton, Aston Villa, Brighton and wolves‘ owners have invested more than 100m in their clubs in the last 5 years according to a report by the Swiss ramble, the Glazers have taken out 89m.

They may of spent 1bn of Manchester Uniteds money on players in ten years and maybe they should have more trophies as a result but the way they run the club is shocking so that’s down to them.

 

[golden_blunder]

I’ll cut that shit when my owners cut the shit. Your choice to swallow it, pal.

Don’t get cheeky with me bud.

 

[TheGame]

There always seems to be increased activity towards the end of the window, just look at Liverpool. They could have signed players earlier as well. Expect some more signings but not sure which ones yet!

 

[tombombadil]

So quick recap. Liverpool are better than us at scouting players. Liverpool are better than us at buying players. And now they are also better than us at selling players. Sigh .....

 

[WPMUFC]

Speaking to United Review, via Manchester Evening News, Ed Woodward has once again reiterated the club’s stance on transfers during the coronavirus pandemic.


“Disruption from the pandemic is continuing to create huge economic pressures from the top to the bottom of the football pyramid and, while we are fortunate to be in a more resilient position than most clubs, we are not immune from the impact. Despite this, we are delighted to have brought in Donny van de Beek from Ajax, adding further quality to a midfield already strengthened by the recruitment of Bruno Fernandes in January.

United’s CEO went on to speak about the contract extensions the club have given out in the past few months as well as Academy signings.

https://utdreport.co.uk/2020/09/19/...anchester-uniteds-premier-league-opener/?s=09

Big oof.

 

[Sassy Colin]

Most of the heavyweight commentators agree that we will get a LB and a RW. Suggets Telles and Sancho. Patience my children.

 

[Ronaldo's Love Child]

https://utdreport.co.uk/2020/09/19/...anchester-uniteds-premier-league-opener/?s=09

Big oof.

Yeah-just read it in the last 5 mins. If I was an optimist I would say Woodward was damping dowen expectations but we might yet make further signings. However......the realist in me looks at his words and he appears to be saying that Bruno Fernandes and DVB were purchased in the same window and with the contract extensions given out to some first team players AND the signing of a few exciting academy players then it looks like that may be it

 

[The Irish Connection]

We need multiple signing especially if Sancho isnt coming. look at the dippers ffs. Finished 30 something points ahead of us and strengthening like mad.

All of our rivals are.

Its a pisstake what is going on at United.

Sure is.
It’s a big amount for Sancho but we need him. Pay a bit extra this year and next year get Upamecano for €50m and sell a few...

 

[mitchmouse]

“Pay the asking price”. Sure. That’s a good strategy to transfers. No club could possibly take advantage of that philosophy

If you want something, you have to pay but you don't seem to want to grasp the economics of it. Sure try to do a deal, but if you want that player and the selling club won't drop the price, then what? Look how we allowed ourselves to get fecked over when Beckham left. They pretty much paid nothing and still haven't

 

[mitchmouse]

Have you ever bought a house?

Just straight up paid the asking price did you?

No.. but if my offer hadn't been accepted I'd have been left with the choice of walking away or paying the asking price. But this is a fallacy of an argument because I already had s roof over my head. If I'd been homeless, what would have been my choice?

 

[mitchmouse]

You negotiate a Porsche too...omg...you are making all salesmen that meet you so happy! Bless you.

what are you on about?

 

[Jetrooooo]

Meltdown time. Ole needs to be backed. If we signed Sancho and Upamecano + Van Beek already, we shouldn't be needing any more transfers for the foreseeable future. No deadwood sold neither. This was the window. The money is there.

 

[mitchmouse]

Buy a fecking winger... we are told people "understand" the history of the club. Well, the club has always had wingers and this has (for some time now) brought success

 

[RedorDead21]

Meltdown time. Ole needs to be backed. If we signed Sancho and Upamecano + Van Beek already, we shouldn't be needing any more transfers for the foreseeable future. No deadwood sold neither. This was the window. The money is there.

We’d still need a DM cover and LB cover after those so you don’t see very far ahead

 

[VanGaalyTime]

Meltdown time. Ole needs to be backed. If we signed Sancho and Upamecano + Van Beek already, we shouldn't be needing any more transfers for the foreseeable future. No deadwood sold neither. This was the window. The money is there.

It's not even that we need those specific players. If we don't get Sancho (we will) there's guys like Calvin Stengs, who is avaialble for much less as the right wing Leroy Sane. It's just the lack of forethought that I take issue with. So many players out there that we can easily buy without a second thought. But we're just not proactive. And this happens almost every summer now.

 

[mitchmouse]

So quick recap. Liverpool are better than us at scouting players. Liverpool are better than us at buying players. And now they are also better than us at selling players. Sigh .....

and they are supposedly not as rich as us... said it before: the board should hang their heads in shame if we don't strengthen properly in this window

 

[Zen86]

There's nothing idiotic about it. The biggest talents cost the most money that's simply logic.

Making no attempt whatsoever to negotiate the price down is idiotic.

 

[Leftback99]

But you do for one of the best talents in world football. There's no player at that level that is not gonna cost you a ridiculous amount especially when they are only 20 years old. There is no going lower that is what you expect.

So if they ask for £200m should we just pay that as well?

 

[Goku23]

If DVB is our only signing or even if we add Telles and no one else we arnt finishing top 4 not a chance we dont have the squad depth especially the right side all it takes is 1 Greenwood injury and were screwed

 

[Zen86]

If you want something, you have to pay but you don't seem to want to grasp the economics of it. Sure try to do a deal, but if you want that player and the selling club won't drop the price, then what? Look how we allowed ourselves to get fecked over when Beckham left. They pretty much paid nothing and still haven't

If you don’t want to pay the asking price, you either negotiate it down or walk away and look at other options. It’s you who doesn’t seem to want to grasp the economics here.

 

[kouroux]

Making no attempt whatsoever to negotiate the price down is idiotic.

Indeed and it would have crazy consequences for every other signings attempted

 

[Zen86]

So if they ask for £200m should we just pay that as well?

That’s pretty much what these people are saying. Let’s pay £100m each for Grealish and Zaha as well while we’re at it.

 

[tombombadil]

and they are supposedly not as rich as us... said it before: the board should hang their heads in shame if we don't strengthen properly in this window

Yeah, lots of people were saying they couldn't buy Thiago unless they sold Wijnaldum, which I was hoping would happen and Thiago would wind up injury prone, but instead they kept Wijnaldum and sold other surplus youth players for decent fees and bought Thiago anyways. This has been a brilliant window of squad building for some clubs.

 

[Zen86]

Indeed and it would have crazy consequences for every other signings attempted

Indeed. Before you know it we’re paying twice the price for everyone we look at. We’re already suffering a bit of that due to past transfer dealings IMO.

 

[Leftback99]

That’s pretty much what these people are saying. Let’s pay £100m each for Grealish and Zaha as well while we’re at it.

We'd be bankrupt in no time with them running the club. Buy high, sell cheap.

One of the worst things about these transfer threads this summer has been reading ill informed nonsense about our finances with the idea we can basically spend what we like even if there was no coronavirus situation. I'm no expert but just a bit of reading for a basic understanding goes a long way.

 

[Lentwood]

So quick recap. Liverpool are better than us at scouting players. Liverpool are better than us at buying players. And now they are also better than us at selling players. Sigh .....

It's taken you until now to realise this?

Michael Edwards is the genius behind Liverpool's transformation from laughing stock to world champions. I would suggest United fans read up on him to understand why we've spent £1BN net with virtually bugger all in the cabinet to show for it and Liverpool have spent maybe £250m/£300m net and have won everything

In fact, I'll make it easier, here's a full list of all of the in's and out's at Liverpool since Edwards took on the role of Sporting Director

IN

Jurgen Klopp - Manager

Sadio Mane - £37m
Loris Karius - £4m
Joel Matip - FREE
Ragnar Klavan - £4m
Georginio Wijnaldum - £25m
Dominic Solanke - £4m
Sadio Mane - £37m
Mo Salah - £38m
Andy Robertson - £8m
Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain - £35m
Virgil van Dijk - £75m
Naby Keita - £53m
Fabinho - £40m
Xherdan Shaqiri - £13m
Alisson Becker - £67m
Adrian - FREE
Takumi Minamino - £7.25m
Kostas Tsimikas - £11.75m
Thiago - £20m

Total = £442m

OUT

Sergi Canos - £2.5m
Jordon Ibe - £16m
Martin Skrtel - £5m
Joe Allen - £14m
Brad Smith - £3m
Christian Benteke - £28m
Luis Alberto - £4m
Tiago Illori - £4m
Lucas Leiva - £5m
Kevin Stewart - £8m
Mamdou Sakho - £25m
Philippe Coutinho - £142m
Danny Ward - £12.5m
Dominic Solanke - £20m
Ragnar Klavan - £1m

Rafael Camacho - £5m
Danny Ings - £20m
Simon Mignolet - £6m
Ryan Kent - £6.5m
Dejan Lovren - £10.8m
Ovie Ejaria - £3.5m

Total = £341.8m
Total NET = £100.2m

Keep on blaming the Glazers if you like...I don't like them either, however, the reality is it's the FOOTBALL-side of the business that has failed at Manchester Utd over the last 15yrs or so. If you want my opinion, and I can't be bothered going into all of the detail as this post is long enough, I would say the following have contributed to our struggles;

- Alex Ferguson's failure to freshen up an ageing side
- Alex Ferguson's nepotism in setting-up our Scouting department
- Alex Ferguson's negligence in allowing the Scouting department at Utd to fall way behind other clubs
- Alex Fergsuon's failure to tolerate agents, who have to now be accepted as part of the game
- Ed Woodward's ridiculous 'Adult Disneyland' approach to the rebuild
- Ed Woodward throwing ridiculous wages at players
- Ed Woodward's desperation to sign 'names', as opposed to less marketable players who can actually play football
- Short-termism from Ed Woodward with his managerial appointments
- Short-termism from our managers themselves, perhaps looking out for themselves rather than the long-term health of the club
- Ed Woodward giving TOO MUCH power to players and agents

That all being said, the last 18-mnths (since Ole took over) have been very refreshing and it finally looks to me like we're making good decisions again. The problem is, we've made so many bad decisions over the years it's going to take maybe 3/4 summer windows to undo them all

 

[Zen86]

We'd be bankrupt in no time with them running the club. Buy high, sell cheap.

One of the worst things about these transfer threads this summer has been reading ill informed nonsense about our finances with the idea we can basically spend what we like even if there was no coronavirus situation. I'm no expert but just a bit of reading for a basic understanding goes a long way.

It’s basically what happens when children grow up with FM and oil clubs such as City. They have no grasp of reality and far too much entitlement.

 

[VidaRed]

It's taken you until now to realise this?

Michael Edwards is the genius behind Liverpool's transformation from laughing stock to world champions. I would suggest United fans read up on him to understand why we've spent £1BN net with virtually bugger all in the cabinet to show for it and Liverpool have spent maybe £250m/£300m net and have won everything

Liverpool's Transfer Business Since Michael Edwards Became Sporting Director Is Incredible

The Reds have had a slow summer transfer window but reached an agreement with Bayern Munich for Thiago on Thursday. It is believed the club will pay £20 million for the Spaniard with clauses potentially taking it to £26m. A fan on Twitter pointed out that is just £1m higher than Bournemouth paid Liverpool for Dominic Solanke back in January 2019.

Liverpool of 2020 are a far cry from the Liverpool that spent £35m on Andy Carroll on deadline day back in 2011. A lot of that can be traced back to Edwards, who became sporting director in 2016. Liverpool have gone on to become Premier League and European Champions in that time while keeping their net spend moderately low compared to 'big six' rivals.

Check out the transfers the club have made under his guidance below.

SIGNINGS
Sadio Mane - £37m
Loris Karius - £4m
Joel Matip - FREE
Ragnar Klavan - £4m
Georginio Wijnaldum - £25m
Dominic Solanke - £4m
Mohamed Salah - £38m
Andy Robertson - £8m
Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain - £35m
Virgil van Dijk - £75m
Naby Keita - £53m
Fabinho - £40m
Xherdan Shaqiri - £13m
Alisson Becker - £67m
Adrian - FREE
Takumi Minamino - £7.25m
Kostas Tsimikas - £11.75m
Thiago - £20m
TOTAL: £442 million

There aren't many flops on that list. Check out the outgoings under Edwards' stewardship below.

DEPARTURES
Sergi Canos - £2.5m
Jordon Ibe - £16m
Martin Skrtel - £5m
Joe Allen - £14m
Brad Smith - £3m
Christian Benteke - £28m
Luis Alberto - £4m
Tiago Illori - £4m
Lucas Leiva - £5m
Kevin Stewart - £8m
Mamdou Sakho - £25m
Philippe Coutinho - £142m
Danny Ward - £12.5m
Dominic Solanke - £20m
Ragnar Klavan - £1m
Rafael Camacho - £5m
Danny Ings - £20m
Simon Mignolet - £6m
Ryan Kent - £6.5m
Dejan Lovren - £10.8m
Ovie Ejaria - £3.5m
TOTAL: £341.8 million

TOTAL NET SPEND: £100.2 million

Liverpool assembling a squad of that quality in such a short period of time is nothing short of remarkable. There won't be many in world football that can compete with Edwards when it comes to transfer negotiations.

https://www.sportbible.com/football...nce-edwards-became-sporting-director-20200917

 

[Lentwood]

Liverpool's Transfer Business Since Michael Edwards Became Sporting Director Is Incredible

The Reds have had a slow summer transfer window but reached an agreement with Bayern Munich for Thiago on Thursday. It is believed the club will pay £20 million for the Spaniard with clauses potentially taking it to £26m. A fan on Twitter pointed out that is just £1m higher than Bournemouth paid Liverpool for Dominic Solanke back in January 2019.

Liverpool of 2020 are a far cry from the Liverpool that spent £35m on Andy Carroll on deadline day back in 2011. A lot of that can be traced back to Edwards, who became sporting director in 2016. Liverpool have gone on to become Premier League and European Champions in that time while keeping their net spend moderately low compared to 'big six' rivals.

Weird isn't it...it's almost as if having someone who specialises in a Data-driven approach to analysing footballers and identifying their strengths and weaknesses (physically, technically and mentally) is better at transfers than a chubby little accountant with a physics degree

Who would have thought it?

 

[NinjaZombie]

“New Manager”

Context, my friend. I'm not in an Ole Out Brigade.

I was saying the way Woodward and the Glazers operate, they don't support the manager once 4th place is achieved. This results in the manager getting the sack when he inevitably fails.

Ole has his work cut out for him. We've got a thin squad, and whole bunch of our dross earn too much to be moved on and are too shit to be relied on.

 

[Zen86]

That all being said, the last 18-mnths (since Ole took over) have been very refreshing and it finally looks to me like we're making good decisions again. The problem is, we've made so many bad decisions over the years it's going to take maybe 3/4 summer windows to undo them all

Couldn’t agree more

 

[dinostar77]

It's taken you until now to realise this?

Michael Edwards is the genius behind Liverpool's transformation from laughing stock to world champions. I would suggest United fans read up on him to understand why we've spent £1BN net with virtually bugger all in the cabinet to show for it and Liverpool have spent maybe £250m/£300m net and have won everything

In fact, I'll make it easier, here's a full list of all of the in's and out's at Liverpool since Edwards took on the role of Sporting Director

IN

Jurgen Klopp - Manager

Sadio Mane - £37m
Loris Karius - £4m
Joel Matip - FREE
Ragnar Klavan - £4m
Georginio Wijnaldum - £25m
Dominic Solanke - £4m
Sadio Mane - £37m
Mo Salah - £38m
Andy Robertson - £8m
Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain - £35m
Virgil van Dijk - £75m
Naby Keita - £53m
Fabinho - £40m
Xherdan Shaqiri - £13m
Alisson Becker - £67m
Adrian - FREE
Takumi Minamino - £7.25m
Kostas Tsimikas - £11.75m
Thiago - £20m

Total = £442m

OUT

Sergi Canos - £2.5m
Jordon Ibe - £16m
Martin Skrtel - £5m
Joe Allen - £14m
Brad Smith - £3m
Christian Benteke - £28m
Luis Alberto - £4m
Tiago Illori - £4m
Lucas Leiva - £5m
Kevin Stewart - £8m
Mamdou Sakho - £25m
Philippe Coutinho - £142m
Danny Ward - £12.5m
Dominic Solanke - £20m
Ragnar Klavan - £1m

Rafael Camacho - £5m
Danny Ings - £20m
Simon Mignolet - £6m
Ryan Kent - £6.5m
Dejan Lovren - £10.8m
Ovie Ejaria - £3.5m

Total = £341.8m
Total NET = £100.2m

Keep on blaming the Glazers if you like...I don't like them either, however, the reality is it's the FOOTBALL-side of the business that has failed at Manchester Utd over the last 15yrs or so. If you want my opinion, and I can't be bothered going into all of the detail as this post is long enough, I would say the following have contributed to our struggles;

- Alex Ferguson's failure to freshen up an ageing side
- Alex Ferguson's nepotism in setting-up our Scouting department
- Alex Ferguson's negligence in allowing the Scouting department at Utd to fall way behind other clubs
- Alex Fergsuon's failure to tolerate agents, who have to now be accepted as part of the game
- Ed Woodward's ridiculous 'Adult Disneyland' approach to the rebuild
- Ed Woodward throwing ridiculous wages at players
- Ed Woodward's desperation to sign 'names', as opposed to less marketable players who can actually play football
- Short-termism from Ed Woodward with his managerial appointments
- Short-termism from our managers themselves, perhaps looking out for themselves rather than the long-term health of the club
- Ed Woodward giving TOO MUCH power to players and agents

That all being said, the last 18-mnths (since Ole took over) have been very refreshing and it finally looks to me like we're making good decisions again. The problem is, we've made so many bad decisions over the years it's going to take maybe 3/4 summer windows to undo them all

So your saying we need a Director of Football? That wont happen under the glazers or woodward. Once the window is closed and we havent signed anyone other than Van Der Beek. Woodward PR will again leak the story that we are looking for a DoF. No one will take a DoF role where you have no power but shoulder all the blame.

 

[laughtersassassin]

It's taken you until now to realise this?

Michael Edwards is the genius behind Liverpool's transformation from laughing stock to world champions. I would suggest United fans read up on him to understand why we've spent £1BN net with virtually bugger all in the cabinet to show for it and Liverpool have spent maybe £250m/£300m net and have won everything

In fact, I'll make it easier, here's a full list of all of the in's and out's at Liverpool since Edwards took on the role of Sporting Director

IN

Jurgen Klopp - Manager

Sadio Mane - £37m
Loris Karius - £4m
Joel Matip - FREE
Ragnar Klavan - £4m
Georginio Wijnaldum - £25m
Dominic Solanke - £4m
Sadio Mane - £37m
Mo Salah - £38m
Andy Robertson - £8m
Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain - £35m
Virgil van Dijk - £75m
Naby Keita - £53m
Fabinho - £40m
Xherdan Shaqiri - £13m
Alisson Becker - £67m
Adrian - FREE
Takumi Minamino - £7.25m
Kostas Tsimikas - £11.75m
Thiago - £20m

Total = £442m

OUT

Sergi Canos - £2.5m
Jordon Ibe - £16m
Martin Skrtel - £5m
Joe Allen - £14m
Brad Smith - £3m
Christian Benteke - £28m
Luis Alberto - £4m
Tiago Illori - £4m
Lucas Leiva - £5m
Kevin Stewart - £8m
Mamdou Sakho - £25m
Philippe Coutinho - £142m
Danny Ward - £12.5m
Dominic Solanke - £20m
Ragnar Klavan - £1m

Rafael Camacho - £5m
Danny Ings - £20m
Simon Mignolet - £6m
Ryan Kent - £6.5m
Dejan Lovren - £10.8m
Ovie Ejaria - £3.5m

Total = £341.8m
Total NET = £100.2m

Keep on blaming the Glazers if you like...I don't like them either, however, the reality is it's the FOOTBALL-side of the business that has failed at Manchester Utd over the last 15yrs or so. If you want my opinion, and I can't be bothered going into all of the detail as this post is long enough, I would say the following have contributed to our struggles;

- Alex Ferguson's failure to freshen up an ageing side
- Alex Ferguson's nepotism in setting-up our Scouting department
- Alex Ferguson's negligence in allowing the Scouting department at Utd to fall way behind other clubs
- Alex Fergsuon's failure to tolerate agents, who have to now be accepted as part of the game
- Ed Woodward's ridiculous 'Adult Disneyland' approach to the rebuild
- Ed Woodward throwing ridiculous wages at players
- Ed Woodward's desperation to sign 'names', as opposed to less marketable players who can actually play football
- Short-termism from Ed Woodward with his managerial appointments
- Short-termism from our managers themselves, perhaps looking out for themselves rather than the long-term health of the club
- Ed Woodward giving TOO MUCH power to players and agents

That all being said, the last 18-mnths (since Ole took over) have been very refreshing and it finally looks to me like we're making good decisions again. The problem is, we've made so many bad decisions over the years it's going to take maybe 3/4 summer windows to undo them all

Mate the Glazers and Woodward are the reason we don't have an Edwards running the show so it is their fault.

Our board is made up of Eds Mates like Matt Judge ffs.

When they won't change anything it is all their fault.

 

[Ronaldo's Love Child]

If you want something, you have to pay but you don't seem to want to grasp the economics of it. Sure try to do a deal, but if you want that player and the selling club won't drop the price, then what?

Agreed but there is another element to player transfers which we keep forgetting and that is that Sancho isn't pushing for a move.

If a player isn't actively pushing to leave the club then it leaves the selling club in the position of naming their price and only selling if that price is met (however inflated that price might be). That is where we are at at the moment.

If Sancho walks into his manager's office at Dortmund and says"I want to be able to leave and sign for United" then it's a game changer. For some reason, he doesn't appear to have done that leaving Dortmund holding all the cards.

 

[MrSingh2002]

Weird isn't it...it's almost as if having someone who specialises in a Data-driven approach to analysing footballers and identifying their strengths and weaknesses (physically, technically and mentally) is better at transfers than a chubby little accountant with a physics degree

Who would have thought it?

Dayummm.

 

[MrSingh2002]

Still need 3 signings minimum.

LB CB and Sancho.

And a whole lot of scrap players sold/allowed to leave on a free/paid off to leave.

When all of Smalling/Jones/Mata/Lingard/Pereira are gone I'll rejoice and Ole should be able to reallocate the wages atleast to players that contribute something.

 

[sp_107]

Do you support Ole to keep this job if we finish outside 4 with out any other signings?