Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

[Sky1981]

It's one game.

Give him time. We don't turn shit in 1 month, our players are exactly the same as last season + VDB, the coach/manager are still the same. Give it time.

Although coming in not fit after a break is always a big downer for me, you get preseason for a reason and the start of the season should be the freshest you'd be

 

[CG1010]

Very very few managers in the game who can get United at top or even near-top with the tragedy that's Ed Woodward sitting as their boss. One of them is sitting in the stands in our games, lovably sipping coffee under his masks , and another is managing Liverpool having been put off by the aforementioned tragedy into joining our club. To those who can't see this, they will keep harping on the right 'system' or coaching that will suddenly transform a set of haphazardly collected squad of players by various clueless managers into world beaters. Best of luck with that.

 

[RashyForPM]

Ole will be sacked by the end of the season through hardly any fault of his own. Of course, at times our play looks horribly disjointed which can only be put down to him, but he oversaw a massive improvement from February-July in terms of performances and results. From then on, it’s all about the board backing him with new signings, which once again, they didn’t.

It’s happened to Moyes, Van Gaal and Mourinho already, and it will happen to a club legend. Ole doesn’t help himself by exerting minimal pressure on to our useless board, but he clearly doesn’t want to be seen in meltdown.

The cycle continues.

 

[Bobcat]

It will be bumped though, because Ole is a man who can only take us so far. There was a great bounce back, some fantastic football for patches but you have to stop and ask what his actual limit is.

I don't think it's harmful to discuss that to be honest.

Sure, but i dont think we learned anything new based on todays game and so far i think hes shown
+ Good man manager
+ Has an eye for the right players
+ Seemingly a good motivator
- Questionable tactical skills
- In game management seem lacking

We looked rusty as fecking shit today, which is understandable and no ones fault really. Last season he proved he can assemble a very capable first XI and we actually did show quite a bit of bottle when we managed to scrape a CL spot. Everyone expected (including Ole) that the rebuild would continue and the added revenue from CL could be put into the team. That hasnt happened, and we have spent months fecking about with the Sancho deal while everyone else around us have strengthened.

 

[r0663664]

Wow, Ole interview after the match. He say he knows how Palace going to play. He was "HOPING", he put in a team hoping to take something out of the game. I give him one month where we are 10-15 point behind the front runners lying 15-18 places in the table to hear what excuses does he have. He is way over his head in managing Utd. He start his managerial career with a bang because of the feel good factor, then the team start slipping away until Bruno comes. Another feel good factor got us over the line. Let's see if new signing can galvanise this team. Early signing of he knowing he is in over his head.

 

[MackRobinson]

After 1 match. Embarrassing fans

 

[Icemav]

No point sacking a manager until Woodward is gone.

His time is done here first. He has failed long enough now & he shouldn't get a free ride. Let a new guy pick a new manager.

I believe you are correct. The reactive unskillful management of Woodward and the other top brass would see another terrible sequence of decisions. They should quite frankly have been targeting a managerial change for 21/22 for some time now irrespective of Ole's form, and only change if a championship contention has been truly achieved and Ole performed a miracle. As usual they will wait until the wheels come off and they see whats available out there. The strategy behind a manager appointment is extremely important but I don't expect much intellect shown here. And even if they get the manager right (highly unlikely) the new guy will have to contend with Woodward's team not being able to make important acquisitions and divestments.

Its shitshow at the top. The fact we can't unload several of our squad members (all on hefty salaries) and still have an unbalanced squad due to poor acquisitions is damning. Fans who think sacking Ole changes this underlying issue are delusional.

We are Liverpool (the old version). Though more dysfunctional considering the resources at our disposal.

 

[TheLord]

I changed my vote. The task is too big for him.

 

[IAmAWinner]

As I said all along. He did good as interim and that's what he should have been, an interim. Never should have been given the job permanently. Simply not good enough, never has been.

 

[rotherham_red]

0.7% of the respondents to that poll need their hard drives and floorboards checking

 

[DevilsOwn]

For fecks sake. Did last season not happen?
Did we not come 3rd in the league?

Yes, yesterday was dire. And it is on Ole, we should be better against CP.

But it's just one game after a curtailed pre season. Players barely being together for 1 week.

Give it a rest and stop moaning you lot.

 

[reddevilz007]

As long as Glazers and Woodward are in charge, we’ll see a rotation of managers that will never be backed to succeed on the pitch.

 

[rotherham_red]

For fecks sake. Did last season not happen?
Did we not come 3rd in the league?

Yes, yesterday was dire. And it is on Ole, we should be better against CP.

But it's just one game after a curtailed pre season. Players barely being together for 1 week.

Give it a rest and stop moaning you lot.

Players literally not being able to pass the ball to their own teammates over 10 yards should always be cause for introspection on the part of the players. Ole didn't help with that lineup but even still, those players should have been beating Palace. The blame should predominantly be on them. They are grown men, FFS.

 

[DevilsOwn]

Players literally not being able to pass the ball to their own teammates over 10 yards should always be cause for introspection on the part of the players. Ole didn't help with that lineup but even still, those players should have been beating Palace. The blame should predominantly be on them. They are grown men, FFS.

Completely agree. I am sure somewhere there is a stat on our missed/overhit/underhit passes yesterday. It was terrible to watch.

Our players are better than this. They need to get up to speed asap..

 

[Tony247]

Without natural wingers and natural fullbacks whoever manages United has to improvise a new formation, a new playing style. If the manager sticks to a text book formation and try to fit players who can't play or not effective in the positions then it will harm the team, demotivate the players.

IMHO Rashford is destabilizing the team at this moment. It is not his capability as a player but where he plays. Jose was right. Martial and Rashford both on the field can hamper the team shape. It may not be the case in every match, but depending on the quality of opposition. Against a tight defense both together kill the shape. It sacrifices one important midfield position for the sake of playing two good players, albeit one out of his position. A team of specialized average players playing at right position makes the team above average, but above average players playing out of position takes the team nowhere.

 

[Mainoldo]

We looked like a team that hasn't had a preseason. Very poor. Let's overreact and demand him sacked today though.

Let’s see how Man City look. Stop with rubbish excuse. Ole is crap.

 

[rotherham_red]

Completely agree. I am sure somewhere there is a stat on our missed/overhit/underhit passes yesterday. It was terrible to watch.

Our players are better than this. They need to get up to speed asap..

Yeah, there's mitigation on this aspect with the almost zero preparation time but seeing bad touches in receipt of the ball, or on the dribble, underhit short and long passes was so disappointing. This is the same set of players who were blitzing the league last season and were predominantly set up in the same way as they were towards the end of last season (which makes a mockery of every person on here who is talking about how poor we were tactically, and highlights how they really don't know anything). We know how they can play when they're playing well and yesterday wasn't that. At all.

The focus should now be on rectifying the mistakes and putting things right. The good thing on that front is that our next game is only a couple of days away and hopefully we can start to put some of those things right.

 

[red4ever 79]

Whatever way you want to look at it man we were poor. I dont get this Plan A, and nothing else from Ole. Is he is not able to change things, formations, tactics? According to Ole we lost because we were not prepared properly, not fit enough. Nothing to do with our players.
Lindelof - Not good enough, too soft, gets bullied too easily
Maguire - My god what an overrated pussy. Moves like a tortoise, his 'passing' was poor yesterday. We were robbed paying that
McTom - Jesus Christ - never a CDM no idea how he gets in ahead of Fred. Never a starter for Man Utd. He is to this squad what John O Shea was, a reliable back up
James - Should never start a game for us. Not good enough, cant cross, doesnt look up, has little awareness

 

[Lash]

Glad to see people at being rational about that one extremely poor performance. Those suggesting poch as well, someone who's won just as much as Ole and latest form got him sacked?

Also, just because you at home can't see a tactical set up, doesn't mean it's:

a) not there
b) not coached
c) know anything that ole asks them to do before a game

c is a big point for me after watching all or nothing. Everyone would have you think mourinho doesn't know anything about football and is past it, but is literally telling spurs players to do exactly what everyone cries out form - high pressing, expansive football.

I am deeply disappointed in yesterday, but Ole would be well down the list of people to blame. The players that were an embarrassment and the board would be all ahead of him.

 

[rotherham_red]

Whatever way you want to look at it man we were poor. I dont get this Plan A, and nothing else from Ole. Is he is not able to change things, formations, tactics? According to Ole we lost because we were not prepared properly, not fit enough. Nothing to do with our players.
Lindelof - Not good enough, too soft, gets bullied too easily
Maguire - My god what an overrated pussy. Moves like a tortoise, his 'passing' was poor yesterday. We were robbed paying that
McTom - Jesus Christ - never a CDM no idea how he gets in ahead of Fred. Never a starter for Man Utd. He is to this squad what John O Shea was, a reliable back up
James - Should never start a game for us. Not good enough, cant cross, doesnt look up, has little awareness

We did try and change things. Greenwood on at HT, VdB on after 68 mins and Ighalo had 15 mins. We even took a massive risk and went ultra attacking as soon as they got their penalty, leaving our two CBs exposed. What more did you want him to do? Short of putting his boots on, there wasn't much else, FFS.

This is what I mean about the criticism he's receiving - it's very rarely based on reality at all. The players are undercooked. You could see it in the first 15 minutes when the normally indefatigable Fernandes was blowing out of his arse when he went to take a corner.

If we're still like this by the time we play Spurs, then by all means lay in to Ole. In fact, I'll join you in doing so, but right now, the focus should be on the next game and seeing if we have made improvements, and above all, supporting the team.

 

[rotherham_red]

Glad to see people at being rational about that one extremely poor performance. Those suggesting poch as well, someone who's won just as much as Ole and latest form got him sacked?

Also, just because you at home can't see a tactical set up, doesn't mean it's:

a) not there
b) not coached
c) know anything that ole asks them to do before a game

c is a big point for me after watching all or nothing. Everyone would have you think mourinho doesn't know anything about football and is past it, but is literally telling spurs players to do exactly what everyone cries out form - high pressing, expansive football.

I am deeply disappointed in yesterday, but Ole would be well down the list of people to blame. The players that were an embarrassment and the board would be all ahead of him.

Fully agreed mate. I'm trying to combat the wave of negativity which is coming largely from the same set of ignoramuses as last year, but I fear they are too far gone.

In any case, I hope the article below, while perhaps a little too lenient, gives them some pause for thought:

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ey-or-jadon-sancho?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

 

[Lash]

Fully agreed mate. I'm trying to combat the wave of negativity which is coming largely from the same set of ignoramuses as last year, but I fear they are too far gone.

In any case, I hope the article below, while perhaps a little too lenient, gives them some pause for thought:

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ey-or-jadon-sancho?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

I swerved this place last night as I knew it would be full of froth. I expect this will linger until we win a few games sadly. If we don't sign the players deemed appropriate, the next meltdown will insue.

Thanks for sharing. There are some good points in there. Sadly though, time is never on the side of the modern day manager. The fixture list is there and you just have to find ways to win - circumstances are irrelevant if performances like that continue to happen under ole.

 

[red4ever 79]

We did try and change things. Greenwood on at HT, VdB on after 68 mins and Ighalo had 15 mins. We even took a massive risk and went ultra attacking as soon as they got their penalty, leaving our two CBs exposed. What more did you want him to do? Short of putting his boots on, there wasn't much else, FFS.

This is what I mean about the criticism he's receiving - it's very rarely based on reality at all. The players are undercooked. You could see it in the first 15 minutes when the normally indefatigable Fernandes was blowing out of his arse when he went to take a corner.

If we're still like this by the time we play Spurs, then by all means lay in to Ole. In fact, I'll join you in doing so, but right now, the focus should be on the next game and seeing if we have made improvements, and above all, supporting the team.

Change things...> Greenwood and DVB were direct replacements no change in formation or adaption to the current situation. Ighalo 15 mins. Woopie doo

 

[Cantonaaa!]

I didnt think Lpool sacked mangers for fun at any time in the past

Not for fun, no. More like what we are doing now maybe? Liverpool was probably a poor example of ‘the sack manager till you win something’ tactics.

 

[Massive Spanner]

I mean, the chances are by the time they play Wolves they'll have dropped nearly £100m on centre backs this window to supplement the £60m and £50m centre backs already at the club. That is serious backing. They are also up against a Wolves team who have had a pre-season just as messed up as theres/ours.

Tbh I prefer us picking a specific target and going all out for that player rather than looking for a series of attributes & drawing up a list of 10 targets like you might on FM.

Solskjaer has his flaws at times obviously but tell me, today what are we doing differently with the players available if the manager is Pochettino or anyone else? The team pretty much picked itself with who was fit enough to play, maybe VDB should have played over Pogba (but then not playing Pogba seems to get him slated by the Pogba fanboys), Rashford and Greenwood sat too wide & Pogba-McT-Bruno would've worked better as a 3 in midfield against Palace than a 4-2-3-1 shape but Pogba clearly didn't have the energy levels to cover the left so we played a shape to accommodate him & other players playing at probably 60-70% fit such as Rashford - it didn't work today but I don't see how people cannot see past the result and look to the circumstances and levels of the players in terms of sharpness/fitness compared with Palace.

Personally I think it's crazy to suggest that it isn't at least somewhat down to the manager when you put in a shocking performance like yesterday, but each to their own.

 

[dwd]

I'm not making things up - it's all a recollection off the top of my head, if some details are wrong then fine, I can accept it.

Jeez, who would have thought a simple joke would have caused a palaaver? Loosen up my man, the season has only just started!

Telling me to loosen up when you resort to childish retorts just because I pointed out Jose didn’t win the league the season before he joined us and had actually been out of work for six months because he had Chelsea one point above the relegation zone in December

Not everyone in this thread hates Ole by the way, so loosen up yourself and don’t direct your one man crusade at us all

 

[RedBanker]

So this defeat and shambolic performance was due to boardroom fallacies, lack of Sancho and the wind blowing at 12 knots.

Let's see what the next one is due to. This is fun. It's like watching your own house burn and you know why, but just can admit it so you just laugh weirdly.

 

[Litch]

Maybe they don't think Ole is the dude to give the money to?

 

[yan man utd]

In term of style of play we are definitely worse. It's boring watching our game yesterday. For Leed, they scored 7 goals in their last 2 league games.

I know that we will finish higher than Leed and that's a given with the money we spent. Then again we finished 2nd with Jose and that was one of the most boring season ever.

it is far from given that we finish higher than Leeds. For me it’s panic stations. I don’t see why we should be the nursery school for an unproven manager, but what is most worrying is that we do not have a style of play after 2 years under Ole.
Buying Jadon sancho is will not suddenly change our fortunes or give us a style of play
On top of that, the glaring mistake of persisting with lindeloff in defence smacks of naivety.
His alienating of Smalling makes it even worse, let alone being party to handing new contracts to jones, lindeloff etc...
He still has not cleared out any of the deadwood and a club like manxhester United needs someone who can take us forward quickly. There are managers out there who can do that!
He speaks about there being other things we can do aside from being active in the transfer market - like coaching ! But there is no evidence of that ! And finally the in game management has not improved in 2 years. There seems to be a lack of urgency, lack of fast evolution and understanding of reality at old Trafford

do We have to come 7th to fire someone? We should be observing the progressive styles of other managers. Everton, Chelsea and Leeds as well as Crystal Palace ffs all look in better shape than us. Unfortunately the manager is culpable and there is nothing to suggest - in our style of play that we will improve in the immediate term.How long does Ole need? As I said we are not a nursery school for managers!

 

[Giggsyking]

His third season now, I wonder what his fanboys will find for excuses in November when we are 8th in the league.

 

[#07]

Maybe they don't think Ole is the dude to give the money to?

This is always the excuse. Jose's not the guy so just give him Grant, Fred and Dalot. Ole's not the guy just give him Van de Beek.

This Board basically loses faith in a manager once every two seasons. Its a figleaf, an excuse. Its garbage.

The club is run atrociously. Despite the manager's changing regularly we keep giving new, expensive, deals to useless players. Why did we not allow Rojo's contract to run down? Jones'? Pereira's? Who was making these calls when the managers were, supposedly, not trusted and at times not even at the club. Its BS.

Why are we spending nearly 3/4ths of a million £1,000,000 a week on goalies? De Gea, Henderson, Romero, Joel Pereira, Lee Grant. Add it all up and its a ridiculous amount of money on f'n keepers. Then the club goes around briefing that Covid made the market difficult. Covid didn't make you spent all that money on goalies. If the club actually used the money it has wisely Covid wouldn't have made it so hard to buy players.

Just think of some of the names who've been given new deals recently. Even f'n Lindelof managed to get a renewal and he wasn't anywhere near the end of his old contract!? It speaks to a total absence of sense around the running of the club.

 

[Giggsyking]

And one thing, why is he sitting all the time on his seat watching in the screen beside him like any other fan not interested in instructing the players. My guess is he does not know what to say to the players. But I would gladly know the cause behind it, why is he stuck to his seat watching the game in the screen beside him?

 

[Bobcat]

Maybe they don't think Ole is the dude to give the money to?

Who is though? Its painfully clear that the owners and Ed have zero ambition outside of creating a steady revenue stream for themselves. Success for them just means getting CL because that means more revenue.

Its also painfully clear that the first XI is good enough for top 4, but we have a massive drop in quality when we have to play the backups.

 

[Red00012]

Maybe they don't think Ole is the dude to give the money to?

They’ve also said no to players that LVG and Jose wanted.

 

[Josh 76]

Who is though? Its painfully clear that the owners and Ed have zero ambition outside of creating a steady revenue stream for themselves. Success for them just means getting CL because that means more revenue.

Its also painfully clear that the first XI is good enough for top 4, but we have a massive drop in quality when we have to play the backups.

Hopefully fans will now stop saying,
Where would Grealish have played?
Where would Thiago have played?
Where will Donny play?
Where will Regulion have played?

They would all have played in the positions of out of form and over rated players like Shaw, Pogba, Mctomminy.

 

[Litch]

This is always the excuse. Jose's not the guy so just give him Grant, Fred and Dalot. Ole's not the guy just give him Van de Beek.

This Board basically loses faith in a manager once every two seasons. Its a figleaf, an excuse. Its garbage.

The club is run atrociously. Despite the manager's changing regularly we keep giving new, expensive, deals to useless players. Why did we not allow Rojo's contract to run down? Jones'? Pereira's? Who was making these calls when the managers were, supposedly, not trusted and at times not even at the club. Its BS.

Why are we spending nearly 3/4ths of a million £1,000,000 a week on goalies? De Gea, Henderson, Romero, Joel Pereira, Lee Grant. Add it all up and its a ridiculous amount of money on f'n keepers. Then the club goes around briefing that Covid made the market difficult. Covid didn't make you spent all that money on goalies. If the club actually used the money it has wisely Covid wouldn't have made it so hard to buy players.

Just think of some of the names who've been given new deals recently. Even f'n Lindelof managed to get a renewal and he wasn't anywhere near the end of his old contract!? It speaks to a total absence of sense around the running of the club.

Ive never run a club worth Billions and I guess neither as any on here yet people seem to think they do. What people mean is the clubs not winning things. These are not mutually. Plenty of we'll run clubs in division that win feck all. Is Man City a well run club aside from being owned by a country? Arsenal that built a Stadium and spent nothing since? Chelsea who just through money at it and sack players, harvest out young players then buy 6? Yes Bayern who play in a league of 3 competitive teams, have first dibs on any top Germany player in the world?

The problem will goalkeepers is Ole's making. He should have been stronger about DDG and made a decision about whether is was on the decline or not. Once they had signed DDG on a big contract, they should have sold Henderson but clearly either Ole or the board don't trust that decision. Yesterday proved that cause DDG looks again that it was yet another mistake to give him such an expensive contract.

No different than CB's. Why would you give managers 80m a record fee to buy a CB, that makes the current CB's redundant? Would you give the same manager another 60m to make the 80m player look better?

No idea about the contracts to those players but what I do know is Ole has his favs and is blinded by it with this hope that one day they come good.

I'm not pro these owners but I haven't got blind faith in Ole either. Ole's track record in signings and keeping 'dead' players so far is questionable and I don't him to spend another 100m either.....

 

[anant]

Haha. Exactly. I don't even remember what you're referring to.

Jest aside, I just think we've reached the point where he is under serious scrutiny, now he's got to show that he has what it takes to be a top manager. I'd also suggest that if any other manager was at the helm, with no playing experience at the club, more people would be doubtful about what they see in him.

I mean he did get us top 4 in his first full season. That's more than what a serial winner in Mou got us then. He held his side of the bargain, but he needs to be backed in the transfer market. His signings so far have been great and obvious improvements. He clearly knows and understands what we need to get us to the next level.

 

[Falcow]

Glad to see people at being rational about that one extremely poor performance. Those suggesting poch as well, someone who's won just as much as Ole and latest form got him sacked?

Also, just because you at home can't see a tactical set up, doesn't mean it's:

a) not there
b) not coached
c) know anything that ole asks them to do before a game

c is a big point for me after watching all or nothing. Everyone would have you think mourinho doesn't know anything about football and is past it, but is literally telling spurs players to do exactly what everyone cries out form - high pressing, expansive football.

I am deeply disappointed in yesterday, but Ole would be well down the list of people to blame. The players that were an embarrassment and the board would be all ahead of him.

Well the buck stops with Ole in fairness and that's only right.

The issues for me are as follows:

- Bruno and Pogba together as part of a midfield three, it's just not working and needs to stop, the better teams will savage us, even the smaller teams are doing it.
- lindelof and Maguire, not a good partnership. Simple as. Lindelof needs to be dropped, mistakes in last 2 games.
- TFM no explanation needed here.
- Mr undroppable, Marcus Rashford. This guy really really really needs to be benched. When you play shit (shit doesnt begin to describe his performances since restart) for 10 games in a row, you need to be dropped.
- Tactically Ole is starting to worry me.

 

[foolsgold]

We need to give Ole the money and let him see things through, we can't keep chopping and changing.

It's long past time we properly backed the manager and the rebuild

 

[Sky1981]

Not fit is not an excuse.

We have the same break and the same schedule as every other team.

It's our responsibility to make sure our player are fit on the first game of the season.