Starts tonight against Sweden.
Strangely in a back 3 for France.
Strangely in a back 3 for France.
Dayot Upamecano | Signs for Bayern
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And should have gotten a second yellow card in 12th minute. Seems very nervous.
I feel that this is the transfer we will regret more (than the sancho one) if we don’t seal it this summer...At only 21 years of age and with our current state of cbs this makes sense on so many levels.
Didn't look the most comfortable yesterday. This is the kind of performance I've seen from him, other than the one against Atleti, where he was immense.
Maybe we want another season where we can weigh up targets to see who is the best fit for this team. Perhaps we will end up going for his CB partner or someone will completely get our attention out of the blue.
He literally just signed a new contract. This transfer is dead for at least another season. He has a release clause that lowers year on year so it makes no sense to go anywhere near him this summer
I wouldn’t get hopes up about this one.
A lot of strong reports from Germany saying he’s already nailed on to see out this season and then move to Bayern next summer. There’s no thought of him going anywhere else. It’s Bayern doing what Bayern do in Bundesliga.
A lot of strong reports from Germany saying he’s already nailed on to see out this season and then move to Bayern next summer. There’s no thought of him going anywhere else. It’s Bayern doing what Bayern do in Bundesliga.
Yeah could well happen but does make you wonder who is our backup CB target if we are unable to sign him next summer
More I think about that contract extension, the clause and everything.....just has Bayern next summer all over it
Doubt it. Upamecano is a much more unproven talent than Sancho, who I feel one of the few truly elite ones around.
We could have had him for almost nothing 4-5 years ago under Van Gaal. He said we didn't keep our promises we made so he didn't come.
Nerves is normal when you make a debut for a country you love. He finished the game enormously though and even sent Kylian clear with a sumptuous ball. After Kimpembe he was the best defender on the pitch between the two teams.
Having said that french players are not that keen on us anymore so he is likely to go to Bayern or PSG or Spain.
How did you come to that conclusion?
Facts? Sancho is breaking records in Germany as far as young players go. His productivity is comparable to top top attackers. He's being valued at over a hundred million.
Upamecano looks a promising CB but I'd consider Sancho far more bankable of the two. Hence if there's one I'd be happy for the club to break the bank for, it's him.
No not facts.
His productivity has been good for Dortmund indeed but they are players who can rack up stats while being just above averag, Mhiki comes to mind here. When ever I see Sancho up against great opponents in the CL he appears to be one of those players. While Upamecano has been standout against great sides in the CL. There is an element of risk to both transfers and neither at this point are worth more than 50-60mil.
He’d of left for Dortmund under mou and we be buying him for 200mil this season if that happened
People on this forum should stop refering to Mkhitaryan.
Mkhitaryan was terrible for Dortmund for three seasons, and the prime reason for Dortmund getting eliminated by Real in 2014, after that masterclass from Marco Reus.
I think Dortmund couldn't believe their eyes when United came with that offer, that's why they sold him despite the board promising Tuchel that no more players would leave. But he finally had one okay season where he did some stat padding in Europa League, and United came with 40M. Still wasn't good in Bundesliga and probably one of the most mentally fragile players ever.
Not at all similar to Sancho. It's real lazy to use that as main comparison.
Nagelsmann saying he will not be leaving this year at the very least
https://www.espn.com/soccer/soccer-...arget-upamecano-to-stay-at-leipzig-nagelsmann
https://www.espn.com/soccer/soccer-...arget-upamecano-to-stay-at-leipzig-nagelsmann
This guy is another case of the Caf wanting what they don't have despite not knowing exactly what they're trying to get into. Dude has a lot of mistakes in him, shows raw elements and clearly quite not there as a bonafida top player yet all you hear in this thread are people clamoring for him to get bought at all cost because he'll apparently instantly improve our defense.
Some people on the Caf need to watch more than highlights of good games and amv youtube compilations of players we are linked with. This guy at his current level will come here, make a few mistakes in his first few games and get absolutely hounded by the media which would easily lead to loss of confidence. He's better off improving at a place like Leipzig then move here where pressure is massive and players twice as good as he is currently have failed upon coming here.
Some people on the Caf need to watch more than highlights of good games and amv youtube compilations of players we are linked with. This guy at his current level will come here, make a few mistakes in his first few games and get absolutely hounded by the media which would easily lead to loss of confidence. He's better off improving at a place like Leipzig then move here where pressure is massive and players twice as good as he is currently have failed upon coming here.
Cracking header but not the most accomplished defensive display
I generally disagree with this. He's in my top 5 of CBs worldwide right now. He was incredible in the CL this season and was damn good the 15 or so matches I caught of his in the Bundesliga. Lewandowski, Havertz and Haaland aren't exactly shite, and he's had to mark those fellas. His quickness in the challenge is particularly special. Physically, he's much more imposing than Lindelof. He would improve us instantly.
I agree on the media glare being so bright at Man Utd. I really don't think he cares much as Leipzig is generally reviled across Germany and it hasn't seemed to bother him. I will say that I'm a bit worried with his injury history.
He would be an excellent addition. However, unlike Chelsea, we can't seem to chew gum and walk simultaneously on the transfer front, so I highly doubt we'll get him this window. If we are in for him, the fact we let his release clause expire before expressing interest was, well, inexcusable. Maybe inept is a better word? The more I watch Woody in action, the more I think the reason he favors slip-ons is because he can't tie his shoes...
I'm one of those people you refer too
but I've seen quite a few games with him in the last year. Yes, he's got mistakes in him, but he's nowhere near as reckless as Bailly, for instance. Maguire has a mistake in him too, but he's generally quite composed. Upamecano isn't any worse, it's not like he's a liability. Lindelof doesn't take many risks, but sometime shies away from a challenge (mainly aerial ones) that effectively lead to problems. Upamecano is at an age where he's physically top class, is becoming more cultivated in his play and is getting into his national side, no small feat.His ability on the ball plus his pace, will instantly improve us, as it makes our tactical intentions more plausible (higher line, high press).
Seems his stock fell down a bit lately with his performances for France. I must be seeing something else, because I thought he was pretty solid in the second game after a nervous first game with quick yellow cards. He's young and he's going to learn, but the foundation is solid and I can see him becoming a main stay in the French defense for the foreseeable future. I think it's only a matter of time with him before he's considered a top 5 CB in the world but I'm not certain on it because as great as Varane has been in his career (at least in accomplishments), I was expecting more when he was 19 and dominating Barcelona in the Copa Del Rey.
While I agree with the sentiment of Mkhitaryan not being a good comparison, you are going way overboard. Mkhitaryan had one poor season, one decent and one very good season for Dortmund. In that very good season he had the highest assists in the league and was voted the Bundesliga's Players' Player of the Season.
I would agree if you said top 5 promising CBs in the world. There are important pieces missing and probably /maybe/ hopefully they will come with experience and further development. He had some very good matches in the CL, especially against Atletico, but also had poor moments and was imo poor against PSG where some of his weaknesses were exposed. This is typical for a promising CB of his age. Play very well but make some crucial mistakes. This is fine for a promising CB during his development, but it is not world class.
Is he VVD, Chiellini, Ramos, Koulibaly level? Not yet. Certainly has the talent to reach those levels. I’m struggling to find better CBs. Maybe Gimenez of Atleti? He's already better than Sonyuncu and Maguire. Alaba is outstanding, but Hummels was disappointing this year. If he's not top 5, he's top 10 in my opinion.
Chiellini is not on that level anymore but I agree with your premise for sure. Though I would say he is not on Kimpembe's level as yet either as Kimpembe has gone up in ability this year.
He is not a top 5 defender 
So typical of the Caf. They see a player for the first time in a CL game, we get linked to him and this place start overrating him to no end with people pretending to have in depth knowledge about the player when in reality they've just started watching his youtube amv compilations after we got link to said player.
How could anyone watching him play claim he is a top 5 defender when he has so much raw elements and mistakes in him. Sure mistakes happen to every players but we still have the issue with his rawness. He got schooled against PSG, was mediocre to average in the latest international games with France. Putting this kid as top 5 defender currently is ridiculous but I wouldn't expect anything less from the Caf.
So typical of the Caf. They see a player for the first time in a CL game, we get linked to him and this place start overrating him to no end with people pretending to have in depth knowledge about the player when in reality they've just started watching his youtube amv compilations after we got link to said player.
How could anyone watching him play claim he is a top 5 defender when he has so much raw elements and mistakes in him. Sure mistakes happen to every players but we still have the issue with his rawness. He got schooled against PSG, was mediocre to average in the latest international games with France. Putting this kid as top 5 defender currently is ridiculous but I wouldn't expect anything less from the Caf.
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With all due respect, I’m going to go with the opinion of former top defenders who have actually played the game over your assessment. Cheers mate.He is not a top 5 defender
So typical of the Caf. They see a player for the first time in a CL game, we get linked to him and this place start overrating him to no end with people pretending to have in depth knowledge about the player when in reality they've just started watching his youtube amv compilations after we got link to said player.
How could anyone watching him play claim he is a top 5 defender when he has so much raw elements and mistakes in him. Sure mistakes happen to every players but we still have the issue with his rawness. He got schooled against PSG, was mediocre to average in the latest international games with France. Putting this kid as top 5 defender currently is ridiculous but I wouldn't expect anything less from the Caf.
Same here. I watched both France games and he looked like someone with lot of potential but still not there yet.
Only time will tell
United's been tracking him for too long. It's a sign.
Imo opinion he is one of the 3-4 most promising young CBs and has all the potential to become top 5 in the world in the coming 3-4 years but he still has a long way to walk. He has, as I wrote, pieces missing. He has not the best awareness of what’s going on behind him, he sometimes switch off and he is awkward positioned to defend headers, to give a few examples. Then he already now has some outstanding skills. I haven’t seen many defenders, if any, who are better at driving up the ball and he is very skilled with the ball under pressure.
It could seem like a pointless discussion. You think he is too 5-10 in the world and I don’t agree. But my point is, he has the potential to become world class. With that comes risks: injury prone, could he adapt to English football, has pieces missing- will he develop those sides, he hasn’t showed that he is good at cooperating with the rest of the defence- is he a individualist? Etc. Is that what United want and need? A CB with great potential but with risks and at a high price? Maybe, maybe not, but imo we shouldn’t assume he would come in and be guaranteed to hugely improve our defence. That’s not who he is atm. He is not already better than Maguire. He could not do the job Maguire does in the air for example.
He looks a bit one-footed (right) to me, from the little I’ve seen. Ole wants a left footer, no?
(If I’ve got it wrong and he IS left footed then it turns into a positive because he’s obviously comfortable with right as well.)
(If I’ve got it wrong and he IS left footed then it turns into a positive because he’s obviously comfortable with right as well.)
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I dont know why we get excited when this stuff is put on.
1st of all there will no no buyers for Jones and Rojo.
Even on the off chance we sell, we will have like 1/2 days to get a new CB, with this board, it is impossible for that to happen.
1st of all there will no no buyers for Jones and Rojo.
Even on the off chance we sell, we will have like 1/2 days to get a new CB, with this board, it is impossible for that to happen.
Another one that isn’t going to happen.
MANCHESTER UNITED ARE INTERESTED IN SIGNING UPAMECANO!!
if they can find buyers for the three stooges.
if they can find buyers for the three stooges.
We're never going to offload Jones and fecking Rojo. Unbelievable that we gave Jones a new contract.
Hahaha we are interested in a player that:
isn’t for sale
probably doesn’t want to move after just signing a new contract
Is dependant on selling grossly overpaid/injured/not suitable players
Never change Woodward you clueless tit
isn’t for sale
probably doesn’t want to move after just signing a new contract
Is dependant on selling grossly overpaid/injured/not suitable players
Never change Woodward you clueless tit
I find this the most frustrating part of United in recent times. Giving good or obscene contracts to average and unfit players.
Drives me mad.
Ed and Matt Judge couldn't get out of the club sooner. Bl**dy dimwits.
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