That letting go of Rafael wasn't that bad a decision, as many would have you believe in this thread.
Rafael interview in The Athletic
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Van Gaal is a bit marmite with everyone. Fans, players, journalists. I dont think anyone says "I dont actually mind him!" People seemed to find him funny and liked him a lot or thought he was a prick.
Lyon got to the final stages of the champions league last season, what did we do?
Jones contract was renewed when Ole was caretaker so it isn't clear how much say he actually had in the matter. Lingard's contract runs out next year. Mata would probably be a better example.
There are many? So you didn't read the article nor the thread then. There's one comment questioning the decision. The problem is how he did it. The part about LvG is what everyone knows, that he's a shit person but Rafael gives us more insight into why is football was shit too.
Yeah I read the article and I seen a few posts here with the consensus that it was a bad decision. Sounds like LVG didn't rate him, similar to the way Pep didn't rate Joe Hart. Hardly anything in that article that suggests LVG is some kind of monster. The football was indeed shite, most of us could see that from the beggining.
So the club board did a good job in getting rid of Fellaini then?
Why are you quoting me, I did not make that point?
Shame Rafael played no part in getting them there.
We don't know if LvG didn't rate him. He didn't see him train, didn't see him play much and he's got a history of booting Brazilians out of his teams.
Guess SAF was wrong in rating Rafael then and LvG was right based on nothing. Good thing he replaced the right back postition oh wait...
I didn’t get your point that’s why. Are you saying he had no involvement in selling Fellaini and renewing Jones contract?
Rooney, think that's about it.
Yet cleared out a load of deadwood and nourished the young players who were breaking through the ranks into the first team. Shaw was gotten by him, Rashford was given his league and European debuts likewise Martial had his best season with LvG aged 19.
Rafa, Welbz and allez were too inconsistent and injury prone for us to be kept at the club.
We do know he didn’t rate him. He literally told him so.
He’s a millionaire manager with unlimited supply to game footage. Stop acting like he’d never seen him play.
But you’re right, I guess van Gaal was wrong. That’s why Rafael has had such a fantastic career since winning so many trophies, oh wait...
The original poster said he gave long term contracts to three players when one of them was Jones, which he probably had little involvement in (he was a caretaker at the time) and another player was Lingard whose contract actually ends next year. The better example to use is Mata who was given a three year contract. I didn't make any comment about Fellaini so I don't really get why you keep going on about him.
Someone at AC Milan didn’t rate Vieira. Someone at Juve didn’t rate Henry. It happens... At the end of the day stop Dramatising the situation. He didn’t like him he moved him on. It’s hardly something we have gone on to regret.
Of course Rooney has good things to say about the manager who said “my captain always plays”
I imagine Van Gaal remembered the red card Raf got against his Bayern team which gifted the tie to Bayern. Van Gaal is very black and white, before he got to carrington he will have known raf wouldn't play for him.
Such a shame Raf left when he did.
Feel like Raf, Hernandez and a few others could have done a bit longer at the club and given something more than what replaced them.
Such a shame Raf left when he did.
Feel like Raf, Hernandez and a few others could have done a bit longer at the club and given something more than what replaced them.
It's not the same. LvG has a history with Brazilians. You might call it xenophobic. We've also been moaning about the right back position for years whilst it possibly could not have been a problem all this time.
Fair enough. But what’s the relevance of removing Jones? They all were poor decisions. Fellaini was a good one.
And Schweinsteiger, and Martial, and Giggs to name a few. Seems quite a coincidence there that’s is the actual world class talented players who praise and speak well of him while it’s the average not good enough ones who have all the time to speak badly.
Read that just now actually, now that's pretty bad if true. Although we've no idea if LVG seen him play much before coming to United. Rafael was decent going forward in our last title winning season but then injuries seemed to get the better of him and didn't do much of note, from what I remember anyway.
It was the right move getting rid of Rafael, Chicharito, Nani, Evans, Welbeck, etc. Bringing in the likes of Darmian, Rojo, Memphis, Falcao, etc. to replace them was the problem.
Raph was becoming too injury prone and had a terrible season under Moyes. It was 50:50 and quite frankly he’s gone on to do nothing. But I loved his time under Fergie and I’m sure he would have been a great RB If Fergie had continued on.
Ah yeah i remember Giggs saying some positive things. No doubt he was a great coach but i didn't find his style for us particularly enthralling. Although we had some good wins, especially vs Liverpool.
Yeah this thread has been derailed now by the LvG gang. It was never about if it was correct or not the decision. The critique lies with his management.
LVG said he wanted his players to think with their head and not their gut. Then made Wayne Rooney his captain.
Fond of LVG are you? Good for you. One of the worst managers of all time for United. Tactics mean diddly squat if you don’t have players motivated and playing to their potential individually and as a collective.
People that dislike van Gaal:
Rivaldo
Stoichkov
Johan Cruyff
Hugo Sanchez
Zlatan
Di Maria
The man is an absolute cnut of the highest order and a bad manager.
Thank you, for years I've had to read ridiculous comments about van Gaal offloading players when they should've been kept. Look where they ended up, did they do better when they left the club, no they haven't. Three out of those five it was definitely the end of the road for them at United.
Bingo, on every word.
Sold too soon. Sad to see why.
2012-2013 Rafael as a tots package was far better than AWB ever was. He dealt pretty good with many of the best wingers (including Ronaldo), and even as a pure defender he never had the nightmare games AWB had.
And that critique is crap. A manager doesn't have to give everyone a chance. He can learn players before he starts his job and decide some just aren't good enough or right for him.
It's giving chance after chance to certain players - by new managers as well - that resulted with us being stuck with so much deadwood.
He was briliant in Fergie's last season. Unfortunately, he was nowhere near that in 2013/14 as he was injured a lot (again).
I liked him, but in reality it wasn't some weird decision to move on from him.
He's also extremely overrated as a manager by his own cult. He was a good manager but never as good as his cult believes or wants everyone else to believe. His career has as many failures as success, or even more.
Of course. Imagine working your butt off to get to your dream job and some fat cnut comes along and just tells you to piss off without even seeing your work. Yes Rafael had some injury concerns but if what he is saying is true, then that's disgraceful management from LVG.
It's rather easy to watch football games and make up your mind about the ability of a player. You don't actually have to be his manager to do that.
We do that every day!
I really thought all the LvG fanboys had repented but look at them still getting upset at criticism.
Shame Woody didn't get rid of him on day 2 instead.
Shame Woody didn't get rid of him on day 2 instead.