If the Glazers and Woodward decide to fire Solskjaer, he’ll be fired. The situation is THAT shit.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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A multi-million business like United should never hinge on one single manager, be it Ole or anyone else, to "rebuild" the club. That view is seriously outdated. The club should have a proper organisation, with player logistics that work (almost) independent of whoever the manager is. The manager's job should be to fine-tune a team of high-quality players assembled by capable people, and then we would see whether the manager is a Kovac or a Flick, to put it that way. Unless we get to that kind of organizational structure, it doesn't really matter if we get this one over the line or not.
If they fire Ole this season that’s when the protests will really kick off. It’s all depending on if we somehow get away with it on the pitch and with injuries. It really could go either way, we still have some good players once they are fit and firing, Donny is going to be a good addition, we just don’t have nearly enough cover and quality pressure for positions or different systems.
the plane is probably Ed on the way home after offering 85 million
the plane is probably Ed on the way home after offering 85 million
Not convinced. Ole won't kick up a fuss internally like Jose. Fans won't turn on him like Moyes. Board won't want to spend money on backing a more established manager as was the case for getting rid of LVG.
Ole works for everyone for different reasons.
Yes, but it takes time to get there. Not to mention the fact that it's still easy to end up with the wrong people within a logical set up, and you still need to identify the correct type of manager.
I mean Ole can be fired for being a bad manager and Glazers/Woodward can still be useless/selfish/leeching idiots. I don't know how anyone can say that it's possible that Ole doesn't share responsibility if the team fails.
The only hope the muppets had left was Sancho pulling a Dembele in public and he's not going to do it. This deal is over and the club looks like a pathetic stalker that needs a mental health assessment.
Pages of hype about a plane that some twitter account is using to get clicks....jesus christ.
Pages of hype about a plane that some twitter account is using to get clicks....jesus christ.
This.
Although I think there is greater good toward channeling any and all dissatisfaction toward those higher than Ole. All as one, on a united front. We need organised fan movements by whomever can channel the right communications, where material numbers of the fan base are able to unfollow all social media, halt purchasing merchandise and whatever else it may be to get attention of club sponsors.
We have one person in charge who feels they're doing an adequate enough job at reorganising the structure to not be manager dependent, his name is Ed Woodward. He feels he's the DoF at United, so if this 'rebuild' isn't going to plan, it falls at his feet.
He should've done his homework before SAF and Gill called it a day and found out the try DNA and workings of what made United successful, did he? Nope, at thay is why we're in this mess.
He's the man that if he'd have known the true DNA of United, wouldn't have brough in a manager (LvG) that tried to completely undo all of that and imprint his own into the club.
Buying Sancho isn't going to matter much at all (not that I think we're buying him) in the grand scheme of things, we're ran as a business and brand, when we should be ran as a football institution, where football comes first and foremost, not money or clicks.
Did Sancho have any BVB-esqe branding on his twitter? Coz' he sure don't have one right now
Bizarre rant.
We're slow to change because everything just worked under Fergie, we improved the commercial side while the sporting side suffered a lack of innovation for a long long time. Did we have a long term plan fort ransitioning after Fergies retirement? doubt it. Why didn't Gill identify these issues earlier, or Fergie for that matter? Because they're hard to see when the club is successfull. This isn't just on one cnut.
There will be no protest. COVID happening made sure our fans cannot group together for any protests, even if the Glazers changed our color to yellow and our name to Manchester Tigers or something.
Definitely, it wouldn't be solved in a month or two. But, like in any re-start in any walk of life, there needs to be an admission that things aren't working properly. And as long as Eddie sees himself as a fully qualified director of football, who at the same time makes money for the Glazers regardless of results, we're stuck.
As an aside, unlike in other commercial organizations, football fans have a "brand" loyalty like no others. Apple, for example, would have removed Woodward in 2014 after a disastrous year, where the product was so awful that customers went over to their competitors. But I'm wondering how long we can play second fiddle and still be a commercial giant.
So Ole himself saying he is being backed by the board, yet his fanclub will still blame everything else but him if we continue to play shit football.
Give me an example where an employee has criticised his employer and how that resolved in a positive outcome for the employee.
You can quite literally look from the beginning of any record keeping if you like. I'll wait with bated breath for example.
I agree, he doesn't need to criticise the board, but he doesn't necessarily need to state outright that the board are backing him, because that's clearly not true, at least to those he's talking to.
Sometimes silence if deafening. If the press are asking him if he feels supported and he says nothing he might as well be saying no. On top of that they'll ask him the same question every month when we lose a game: "Do you feel if you'd have gotten more backing in the summer you wouldn't have list this game" etc.
It's best just to nip it in the bud now so we don't have the media circus of unrest at the managerial level rumblings going on throughout the season.
He knows, the staff know, we all know that he's been fecked this summer. He doesn't have to say it.
Youl find more examples of managers putting public pressure on their board to do business and it having a positive impact on the quality of the team (Pep, Jose, Conte, etc).
But if you get a manager who is barely backed, chances are it ends badly.
We are waiting for DOF to make any major transfer decisions. The new DOF will reportedly be given a 250m “war chest”!
Jose and Conte have both been sacked from their jobs due to said public demands. Pep is City's golden boy, he can ask for whatever he wants and they throw oil money at it.
Conte won the Premier League while he was at it. Jose won the Europa Cup and brought in a league haul that was our best since SAF in 8 years.
They imploded for other reasons, but generally when a manager pushes to be backed, they end up with better tools to go about executing their vision. Ole today in the presser proved to be quite the yes man. I like him and there are phases where he wins me over, but the diabolical answers he gave today gives me little confidence that he's challenging the board enough.
I watched the pressure. He did feck all, and I would urge you to watch the full video if you haven't already.
His response to ex players who know the club criticising the club operations was extremely awkward to see. He could have politically agreed with them whilst showing decoram as a manager, and that would have done a lot more.
He instead said something like "they can come to me to speak about it" before realising its their job to say it in skysports as employees.
Think he kept talking about results on the pitch that matter most when there was more opportunities to try and voice his expectation for the transfer market. I get he's the manager and its his job to save face for the club, but with his blatant laid back answers it might as well have been Ed giving the responses.
And let me be clear. This protecting the club works fine when you're top of the mountain, or close. But when you're no way near the peak and just trying to climb up, it doesn't fly with "I have a good group" and "it's the results that matter" off the back of a season that got what, 66 points or something.
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Hows that plane tracking going? Have the muppets got spies on the tarmac? 
There is enough pressure on this board publicly, Solskjaer making a rallying cry today would have incited a riot. How is that good prep for Tottenham at the weekend?
He made his feelings pretty clear at the end of last season. The board have chosen to not give him what he wants and I'm sure he'll be throwing chairs around the room next time him and Woodward get in an office, but there is absolutely nothing to be gained by doing it publicly. It just makes it a million times easier to sack him the first poor run we have, just like Jose and just like Conte.
This thread just gets sadder and sadder.... seriously fellas, it’s time to close it down. We all cannot stand Woodward and Judge. Best to turn the despair onto a thread that has nothing to do with Sancho. I don’t blame Dortmund or Sancho, this lies at the feet of Woodward & co. And is just a microcosm of his leadership since SAF left.
Watching the All or nothing Spurs doc, Jose actually doesn’t seem like a bad guy. Comes off as a realist.
Watching the All or nothing Spurs doc, Jose actually doesn’t seem like a bad guy. Comes off as a realist.
He dose not need to come out and say that they backed him either and life is rosy. He shuts his mouth up and work, when being asked try to divert, its not rocket science. Otherwise, he resigns like respectable managers do and there are many examples of managers resigning.
You know my view, is not pressure. Maybe his view is the same as Ed's.
I don't think he's made feelings clear at all, and the answers he gave today do nothing more toward rallying his team than putting pressure on the board would have. That's quite an odd response, I mean if you saw the full presser today you'd agree he gave some odd answers.
He was backed into a corner so I'd agree it's not his fault by any means. But he had an opportunity to pressure Ed more than he did today, and that's independent of rallying the troops for the Spurs game.
Yeah sure, get's his dream job, does well at it and then resigns because the club wouldn't spend €120m on one player. Modern day martyr.
He'd be fecking ridiculed.
Why are you going over the top? Did anyone suggest he should resign or are you making up off scenarios in your head?
Exactly, he is happy as money pouring into his account. Novice manager that wont get a job anywhere near div 2. He will do exactly what Ed tells him.
The owners have royally fecked us over on this one. Chased one guy the entire summer and still ended up missing out even when he was 100% attainable. As if we didn't already look pathetic enough after this clown fiesta just wait until next year when someone else swoops in with a quick deal.
Exactly.
It amazes me that some people still take what managers say in press conferences at face value.
His actions make it patently clear that he isn't happy with the squad he's got. He didn't trust any of his bench to come on and change a European semi final, and in his relatively short tenure he's already completely frozen out Fellaini, Sanchez, Lukaku, Jones, Pereira, Rojo, Smalling, Dalot etc.
Despite all his actions to the contrary, you still get a weird band of posters on here saying "See? He told the media he was happy with the squad so that's proof that it'll be his fault if he can't repeat last season!".
Watched the Dortmund documentary from season before last. So we first made contact in 2018 about Sancho.
Seems clear they would have definitely sold for the right price but Matthias Sammer (Dortmund adviser) in particular seemed to be very against selling Sancho.
So he is to blame by my count....
Seems clear they would have definitely sold for the right price but Matthias Sammer (Dortmund adviser) in particular seemed to be very against selling Sancho.
So he is to blame by my count....
Mad isn't it?We're bottling a one-horse race
How we end up bottling as good a chance as we'll get for the managers top target who the club have followed for years after bragging about being able to take advantage of the opportunity and the current circumstances just a few months prior.
Truly don't think the club has any ambitions grander than qualifying for European football. We seem perfectly content with leaving the trophy winning and challenging aspect of being a mega club to our biggest and most direct rivals.
Really do seem to have become the rich man's Arsenal which is demeaning for a club that bills itself as the biggest in the world
So very very close now, lads!!
I have. When he did the interview about Schweinsteiger signing and how it put fear into others. It was so cringe!
Obviously Barcelona will ask for a huge fee for him given that they initially spent. Were chasing top talents but don't want to play top dollar. And we don't have the transfer acumen and intelligence in the market to spot smarter deals.
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