Sorry but I just don’t by that nonsense. Man for man we are light years ahead of Palace and Brighton and arguably stronger than Tottenham but we’ve been utterly outclassed in all but one game. Ole has either signed - or decided to keep (de Gea, Pogba, etc) - the majority of that side. He’s had three windows yet how much further forward are we ? I’d say a bit, some might say a fair bit, but either way I think as fans we have a right to expect way way better than the rubbish churned out so far the season. A 2-9 aggregate at home this season against sides we’d beat with one eye shut for the past 30 years. Yes the board have questions to answer re recruitment but any deficiency in that area should show up in the CL against Real or Barcelona, not Palace, Brighton or Spurs in the PL.Whether you want him out or not, does anyone debate that he's been completely let down in this window? Same thing happened to Mourinho, not backed when it matters the most.
He insisted on Maguire and we paid a huge fee for him. He has regressed under Ole. Ditto for AWB. He was best RB in the league for us at one stage, and now he’s garbage.You would trust Ole with getting another CB after he sanctioned 80 mil for Maguire?
erWe came third last season? We've had a terrible window and we started this season later as a result of a late finish to the season. We are still not where we need to be as a team yet this season compared to how we finished last season for a variety of reasons. Get Ole a quality CB to go with Telles and give the team to the 10 games mark before we start making sack Ole statements.
People were having a go at me this week because I didn't think 66 points was that impressive, even if we got third. They'd probably class it as progress if we somehow managed to get 2nd with 44 points this season.Part in bold is pathetic.
Your entire reasoning is so off base. So because a few other teams are also shipping goals left and right, it doesn't matter if we are too. You are the perfect fan for the Glazers.
Get your own head up from your ***. I won't stop supporting the club. And I hope Ole does well for us, but I've lost hope in him managing anything with us going forward.
It wasn't impressive. It's been debated on here plenty of times. We didn't improve much from Jose to Ole. Ole got backed with plenty of signings to improve the team for that season.People were having a go at me this week because I didn't think 66 points was that impressive, even if we got third. They'd probably class it as progress if we somehow managed to get 2nd with 44 points this season.
It's like our own performances don't matter in terms of how we are doing as a club as everything is judged in relation to other teams.
Completely agree. Our point tallies haven't really changed much. We've clearly picked up more points against the top sides, but since we've obviously not improved in total points one can assume that we've regressed against the poorer sides.It wasn't impressive. It's been debated on here plenty of times. We didn't improve much from Jose to Ole. Ole got backed with plenty of signings to improve the team for that season.
It was the bare minimum for that season.
It really is pathetic.Haha...the cultists are running on fumes now
- Klopp lost today's game 7-2
- SAF lost some games conceding 5 or 6 goals in his legendary career
- No manager could do anything better with the squad
- It's Woodward and Glazers doing the tactics and coaching
- It's fecking Mourinho's fault
- No preseason
- Players are brain-dead
- Let's stick with this because next manager will not be backed.
- We need Sancho Koulibaly etc to be competitive.
Stupid post is stupid.Feck it, let's give him 7 years so there won't be any excuses and moaning. SAF got six years to turn it around, it's only fair.
The sad part is, I don't think your hypothetical is entirely unrealistic.Part of me is up for it - that part of me then also wants the club to identify all the Ole in crowd, set up a family planning program at OT and breed stupid out of the fanbase for good. If we want to go long term, lets go real long term.
Nah, Ole will be sacked if he fails to make top four this year.The sad part is, I don't think your hypothetical is entirely unrealistic.
This entire club(fans too) is so enamored by the idea of 1 man leading for years and years, they might just give Ole 5 years.
Probably.Nah, Ole will be sacked if he fails to make top four this year.
If by some strange reason they indeed employ him, they will be rock bottom by the end of the season. He'll get found out very soon enough at the next club that decides to appoint him.Imagine Ole is sack right now. Will Fulham, Aston Villa, Brighton, Newcastle sign Ole? The answer is "no". Anyone who watch Utd play knows Ole has nothing. All he wants is a star player through individual brilliance to win a game. Anyone of old boys will do better than him. Bruce or Mark Huges, they have works at club with limited budget where they needed the team is structured and compact. Ole isn't the right person from day 1, I knew it would not sustain. Feel good factor in his first season, then Bruno's effect in the 2nd season. This season, it is Sancho. Ole forget that football is a team sports. Poch in, we need someone who start from the bottom. Not someone who get the keys to Old Trafford because he is one of the favourite son.
He's had 1 full season here and his target was top 4 and he finished 3rd.It's genuinely shocking how far people will sink before admitting we're getting nowhere under him. Absolutely pathetic lack of standards.
I wonder if some of these people work for their parents or something because I haven't been allowed such leeway in normal job, ever.
Not sure if we had a run of 3 games where we got utterly dominated like this last season.He's had 1 full season here and his target was top 4 and he finished 3rd.
If you don't think he's ultimately up to it in terms of turning us into champions then fair enough, but to paint the narrative that he's got away with murder by keeping his job is completely false when he has met the target given.
We're 3 games in and we turned our season round from a much worse point last year, so I can see why the board haven't panicked yet.
Easy money to be made if you lay that bet.Skybet have now made Ole clear 5/4 favourite to be the next manager to leave/sack
True but we were in a genuinely awful position as late as December/January last year which looked irretreivable, no one would have predicted our turn around.Not sure if we had a run of 3 games where we got utterly dominated like this last season.
Brighton should have comfortably won their game were it not for divine luck.
Why should they fire him? He has won them the PL last season, he has won the CL the previous season, he has been in a CL Final with Dortmund and won the Bundesliga with them a couple of seasons. What has Ole done as a manager that is even close to what Klopp has done or doing now?Liverpool lost 7-2 to Villa today: should they fire Klopp? It was a bad day at the office, and coupled with the complete absence of fans inside Old Trafford and the loss of Martial early on, it turned into a mismatched training session.
Ole has made it pretty clear that the board haven't backed him even close to what he has asked for. That indicates pretty strongly that the money simply isn't there to make the reinforcements we need to make a genuine challenge at the top of the league. So an incoming manager would be lumbered with the same abject, demotivated squad and tasked with limited funds to make new acquisitions. He wouldn't have the limited success Ole has had with the same group of players to fall back on, and would be surrounded by the strange, discomforting atmosphere of an empty Old Trafford.
Our best option is to take this on the chin and remind ourselves that this is the same group of players who finished third last season and who got to the latter stages of the Europa League. It is not the time to call for Ole's head. He's not what's holding the club back, the owners are.
Some of you just have to accept that the club has been run in a lacklustre fashion for a while now and the man bearing the brunt of it is the manager, who is in a hopeless position. He's the fall guy for the lack of investment in the club, season after season.
With a bit of togetherness and team spirit we might go on a run again and get a head of steam, but this idea that a new manager would work wonders with this current squad and the overarching structure of the club is a pipe dream. We are where we are for a reason and it is chronic lack of investment in Manchester United Football Club.
Yeah, pretty much.If he wanted to emulate SAF, he should have brought in a top coach or two to assist him - Ole could have left the backroom staff to get on with the tactics and fitness, while he did the "United legend" cheerleader stuff.
Carrick et al clearly aren't up to it - AWB, James, Maguire all looked like they had something to offer when they arrived, but we've coached that right out of them. Fernandes will probably be next to regress and VDB must be wondering if he's just committed career suicide.
The structure of the side is appalling, we can't defend as a unit, can't build up from the back, can't press the ball, can't play in an organised attack, our fitness levels are atrocious and the players don't look motivated. From a tactical/coaching perspective, it's difficult to think of anything that is actually going well.
Solskjaer is a club legend so the top reds are out in full force to defend him. Even they know deep down we're going nowhere under him though.Can’t believe that Liverpool losing is being used to defend our dead end manager. There really are no lengths that our fanbase won’t go to.
oh but you see he doesnt "Get the club" or something.Wouldn't someone like Carlo Ancelotti have been better for us ? At least he has a proven track record in management...
Multi time champion for Milan
Champion for Chelsea
Champion for PSG
Champions league winner for Madrid
After Madrid he did decline a little bit, yeah, but he is still Carlo Ancelotti
I don't understand why we weren't in for him when Jose was sacked. It looks like he will do a great job at Everton.
I strongly agree with you on this. I've heard Ole talk about MetalPepBall and he is obviously trying to implement his version of that. He should have recruited the best coaches available who knew how to implement this rather than rely on inexperienced coaches like Carrick and McKenna who are also having to learn on the hoof.If he wanted to emulate SAF, he should have brought in a top coach or two to assist him - Ole could have left the backroom staff to get on with the tactics and fitness, while he did the "United legend" cheerleader stuff.
Carrick et al clearly aren't up to it - AWB, James, Maguire all looked like they had something to offer when they arrived, but we've coached that right out of them. Fernandes will probably be next to regress and VDB must be wondering if he's just committed career suicide.
The structure of the side is appalling, we can't defend as a unit, can't build up from the back, can't press the ball, can't play in an organised attack, our fitness levels are atrocious and the players don't look motivated. From a tactical/coaching perspective, it's difficult to think of anything that is actually going well.
I’m in this boat. Whoever the manager is, we still need 6 or 7 players, and All the Clubs around us have good managers and players. Liverpool and Man City are stronger than last year. Huge investment at chelski. Jose has a Good squad at Spurs now. Everton looking reformed under Ancelotti. Arteta getting a tune out of the Gunners. Wolves have had strong recruitment and were already a good well managed side. Even Villa and Leeds are playing some ball.I'd probably keep him for now but I'm not particularly confident he'll turn things around. I just still think it's reasonably plausible and I'm not particularly confident a new manager will turn things around.
