Neither were interested because they probably didn't want to take over for Fergie. I don't think either had an issue with the club. But yes, most top managers are taken for sure. I dunno about you, but I'd take a tier 2 coach who wouldn't be afraid to bitch about the board than what we have now.
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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From 1minute 30 onwards - everything these rival fans say is absolutely spot on.
You make some great points and I agree completely with the bolded bit that we are starting to see former United players make a name for themselves elsewhere. There could be several reasons for this but it's a cause for concern.
There is a bottleneck to how talent is nurtured at our club one chiefly caused by our wretched owners. Until they leave, we are going to have to adapt to a series of ups and downs. We may get the odd sequence of impressive runs but sustained progress will very much remain elusive.
I'd love to see what Pochettino or a Director of football can do for this club but my guess is their impact will be curtailed until we have new owners who appreciate and cherish the winning philosophy that made us the greatest footballing institution in the world.
No. I don't get it. Ole more or less has gotten what he asked for in the last couple of windows so if you think we're putting mower parts in a formula 1 car you have to ask yourself who put them there? So this summer we didn't get Sancho. Big deal. The club (Ole included) should of had a plan B. We didn't and ended up scrabbling around the last day.
Ed and the Glazers should not be anywhere near our club but unfortunately they are. But one thing they can't be accused of is not spending on transfers so you have to ask yourself why the managers have failed/failing when the club has normally supplied them with the players they wanted. The only one that's been shafted is Moyes. As for the other 3 could it be possible they failed/failing because they just weren't good enough or weren't the right fit for our club?
Sometimes we spend all our effort looking for excuses when the answer is normally right in front of our eyes.
Our fanbase's devotion to underperforming managers is arguably the biggest meme in club football. We're a joke - and they can't even blame Woodward for that.
Our fanbase is pretty much what RAWK was during our glory days - exception for ours is only devoted to the manager.
Imagine if we actually owned the club. We’d blow the budget backing Ryan Giggs
As a collective we are as bad as the ownership.
More deflections.
It's actually quite easy to prove whether or not he ran out of ideas: Did the team start regressing, or even stagnate, with Ole seemingly powerless to improve the situation? No, they kept improving, so he very obviously hadn't run out of ideas.
The fact that you keep doubling down, and continue to be cagey about how you've formed this opinion about Ole running out of ideas, leads me to believe you're just incapable of admitting you were chatting shit.
What the hell are you guys on about? Hicks and Gillett had the club sold out from under them by court order 10 years ago.
FSG appear to be good owners, if for no other reason that they've learned from their mistakes and have actively worked towards making Liverpool a top club again.
Any form of fan ownership would be the worst thing that could ever happen to this club. I'm not joking. We'd be bankrupt and crying about how we just need more time and even more money.Imagine if we actually owned the club. We’d blow the budget backing Ryan Giggs
As a collective we are as bad as the ownership.
Assuming you mean FSG: they were bad owners who only cared about their baseball team until they hired Klopp, at which point they suddenly became good owners.
But our only problem is who’s occupying the boardroom. We have a world-class manager and no other manager could do any better with this squad on the training pitch or in-game because they’re distracted from teaching patterns of play by what’s going on at board level. You simply can’t teach £700m worth of talent anything if you have the wrong boardroom setup.
A lot of this should also be put on people like Gary Neville etc who pushed so much for Ole to get the job. They should know that he is not capable of running a club like United. If United was too big for David Moyes as a manager how on Earth can they think Ole Gunnar is big enough to handle a club like United? We may as well give to Albert because he was Kit man for such a long time if being at the club is the criteria and knowing the culture.
Moyes has managed a decent size club like Everton and even got them into Europe and a top midtable side. Ole has never managed any top or even a midtable club. It is mind boggling that some people even think now he is good enough to manage a top club.
Moyes has managed a decent size club like Everton and even got them into Europe and a top midtable side. Ole has never managed any top or even a midtable club. It is mind boggling that some people even think now he is good enough to manage a top club.
Yeah Woody was far too reactive after the euphoria of that night in Paris and it has cost us big time in my opinion
yes probably had one.
Gary Neville's media presence has been severely damaging for the club in the last 7 years. His shit-show of a rant kept Mourinho in a job for about 2 months longer than necessary when the club was about to sack (and Mourinho himself was desperate to go). Those two months put us far too behind in the race for top 4.
It still is. We’ve been ill prepared for 2 premier league starts now.
The anger....... I’ve been done with Neville ever since. His views on everything except United are okay.
Do remember that after criticising this club once he’s boy gets a job he suddenly believes we might win a title before Liverpool.
Presume you are talking about the start of 18/19 season rather than the 19/20 one
100% agree. You wouldnt trust either to take the game by the scruff of the neck. I would sell both. How many seasons have they been here now and still theres doubts about them ever being close to WC.
No 19/20. We beat Chelsea which was amazing but also very lucky if you watch it again. Then we didn’t pick up another 3 points until Leicester. Literally go look at our first 6 games. It will match exactly what we will do now.
Oh yeah they should have been 2-0 up in the first half if memory serves me right
4-0 Was lucky?
The first half was very edgy and they hit the post early whilst missing another good opportunity. We got a penalty and then hit them on the break very well in the second half. We was clinical but it was fair from a comfortable 4-0. It’s like being a Spurs fan right now and thinking your going to have a good season because you beat United 6-1. Reality is we was poor you took advantage it will never happen again under better management with the same set of players.
He's an idiot for that. Hope this Maguire episode shows them to manage the club according to common sense and good practice rather than listening to emotional fans with unrealistic expectations. The same rationale that had us back the manager and "pay leicester the fn money" for Maguire. It's an ever shifting goalpost. He was supposed to be the VVD type final piece. Everyone that said that seem to have disowned their previous positions
He's the model unbearable sanctimonious top red and the club officials are spineless for acquiescing to his rants
The other reality is though, pretty much all of Ole's apparently incredible signings are going backwards fast, not just Maguire. He's not close to an £80m CB, but he's not as bad as he was vs Spurs either.
I agree with you. Maguire is not a bad defender at all. Yes he had a shit show against Spurs and the midfield does not help our defence. Or for that matter even our forwards. Lets be sensible about this. Which of our players in our side can hold the ball and hold off a defender and bring other players in? None. Not even Martial. All the players are geared for is hit and run. Just the space. Martial can dribble inside the box and shoot I agree. But the rest? This is extremely bad planning and coaching. Anyone who thinks Maguire can play a high defense line is utterly mad. Leicester never play a high defensive line. They defend in depth and in numbers and hit on the break with Vardy. That is what Maguire is good at. Not play in a high pressing team. He would have been a very good CB for Jose who is defensive and do not do high pressing. If Poch comes, I think he is going to be sold because he does not have the pace to do it or else the have to buy a top class quick CB to partner him.
I just can't see us taking the financial hit in selling him.
That was always the problem with this signing. We had to get it spot on, but we were far from it. He's going to be around for a few years and whatever planning we do will have take his weaknesses into consideration.
We hype them up at first and they get energy from joining. Then our terrible coaching takes over and the rest is history.
Definitely seems that way. Fernandes has also been a shadow of the player that dragged us into top four contention when he arrived. What would happen if these players actually downed tools now as they did under Mourinho, if they're actually trying now with whatever tactics Ole is trying to deploy. Scary thought.
That was so crazy. The timing couldn’t have been worse. We had a run of bad results and then got lucky with the PSG game with the help of VAR.
Then Woody in his wisdom decides to hand him a contract when it was clearly acceptable to wait until the end of the season and see how the rest of the season pans out.
If you want to play counter attacking football, Maguire is a good player. He can do the low block and is a good header of the ball and has a decent long pass. Ideal Jose player and why on Earth did Ole think he can do a high press is beyond me.
If he hadn't Gary Neville would have caused a revolution.
I haven’t made anything up I just have a different opinion that’s all, I’m not narrow minded enough to assume you thinking he hadn’t run out of ideas is made up because I don’t like it.
I’m not acting like a victim I just don’t see why you are throwing your toys out of the pram and you seem to assume your nationality qualifies you to be right.
Ole ran out of ideas and Molde needed someone to take them that next step, does hindsight appear to support that, definitely but it’s not definitive proof either way. Does you being Norwegian and having watched football qualify you to assume you are right about anything and act petulantly, not in my opinion.
Just because Woody has been safe until now does not mean he should be this time. With Moyes it was too early and he took all the blame, arguably with LvG as well even though a lot more were critical of the upstairs people at the time. Ideally he should have gone with (or even before) Jose, but the impression i think most had was that Jose had a meltdown and became toxic so he had to go. Woody got away with it that time as well just because Jose stole all the media attention, but really that should have been it
And the bolded part is true, but i think we can make an educated guess: Managers give their wishes of outgoing and incomings to the board, but ultimately they are the ones who sanction it. Transfer and contract negotiations are most likely handled by the club. So yeah, just praising the manager for the good transfers and blaming the board for the bad ones is hypocritical, but the problem imo is not so much the transfers themselves, but how they are conducted and how much we end up paying versus how much we sell for.
The whole Sancho saga and then the following panic buys at the end of the window i think is fair to blame at Ed and the board. If we were completely unable to meet Dortmunds demands, why the feck did we linger so long at it instead of looking at alternatives? I also think what former managers have been saying about the club/board is a clue to how things are going behind the scenes. Many just wrote it off as sour grapes, but when everyone says pretty much the same things then there has to be some truth to it.
Just to be clear, if we dont drastically improve before Christmas then Ole needs to go, but so does the board and Ed as well. Pinning yet another manager to the wall and just carrying on as we have wont fix anything
When you are done bench pressing, maybe you should read the reply one more time.
I give up. You keep rambling without answering the questions at all. I’m trying to make your opinion valid by asking some very simple questions, which you refuse to answer and just try to spin with insults.
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All the we dont have good enough players talk and Ole hasnt been backed needs to be put to bed now. Now its up to the players and Ole to perform. As I see it we have the players to beat the bottom 10 teams home and away. Thats 60 points. And get 20 points from the top 10 teams. Yes football doesnt work that way we will get beat by Palace etc but then it will equal out by beating a City on an off day.
Basically its now down to performance. Grinding out results week in week out. The excuses need to stop. There is no excuse for being beaten by Palace or getting battered by Brighton and Spurs. None. Its up to Ole now to maximize the team and get them performing consistently. Not for 10 games on then 10 games off. Like Wolves or Leicester. They have good teams but not at the level of the top teams. But they maximize their potential, have a system and perform 90 percent of the time even when they are beaten. If Wolves and Leicester can get 5th/7th then we should be able to do this and get top four. That should be a given. Then with a bit of luck and surprises i.e. a few players getting to another level then we could win a cup.
Anything else and Ole should go.
Basically its now down to performance. Grinding out results week in week out. The excuses need to stop. There is no excuse for being beaten by Palace or getting battered by Brighton and Spurs. None. Its up to Ole now to maximize the team and get them performing consistently. Not for 10 games on then 10 games off. Like Wolves or Leicester. They have good teams but not at the level of the top teams. But they maximize their potential, have a system and perform 90 percent of the time even when they are beaten. If Wolves and Leicester can get 5th/7th then we should be able to do this and get top four. That should be a given. Then with a bit of luck and surprises i.e. a few players getting to another level then we could win a cup.
Anything else and Ole should go.
Don’t need to, you shot your mouth off and still are.
But it most likely won’t change and if Woodward goes he may well get replaced by someone similar, same as the board. This club could spend less on transfers, less on wages and be more successful if it was run competently. There has been ample opportunity to being in a DOF but the club aren’t interested.
It doesn’t matter what fans think about Woodward, the Glazers don’t care, they don’t really care what fans think about the manager either.
All that is likely to change is the manager and the coaches, that might change half a dozen more time’s before Woodward goes.
No insults, I just don’t see point in trying to rationalise with someone who has already assumed they are completely right and know everything and that a different opinion is wrong and made up because they don’t like it. I’m just saying he ran out of ideas, ultimately it can’t be proved either way, if you don’t like it just move on.
I’m not asking you to evidence your opinion he hadn’t run out of ideas and justify your expertise or knowledge because you can’t. If you did I could just adopt your approach and say, well they won the league without him so you’re wrong.
It beggars belief how 2/3 of the Cafe are happy to keep Ole. We really deserve everything we get.
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