RedCafe has become toxic as feck.

[patty123]

It’s because they changed the rules on letting newbies post. This used to be one of the best football forums on the Internet, full of knowledgeable and sensible fans from clubs all over the world

Now it’s flooded with the kind of idiots who should stick to writing “Ole out” on the clubs latest instagram post

Are you for real, as all these threads that are being complained about, are not threads started by "newbies" but by you "older" posters, so you are as guilty as anyone in this issue.

It's also like when you start here and read the rules, one of them, no txt speech, look at how many "older" posters do that or simply reply with a child like emoji. It's like when you get full member staus on here, the rules go out the fecking window.

 

[b82REZ]

Yeah, there's always balance that's needed in these debates. I've read a few times some claiming the achievement of third as a "miracle" - even though top 4 was the target when the season started as there really wasn't any teams to fear outside of Pool and City. Unless we start thinking the season/Ole only started when Bruno arrived, yeah. Then maybe it was a "miracle".

It would be interesting to see a bell curve of sorts. What sort of percentage of fans would be on either "extreme" (PE teacher vs miracle worker) and what percentage would be in the middle 2 quartiles.

The majority would fall in the middle. For all the people that complain about PE teacher comments, there are just as many at the other end of the spectrum. This is just another thread to split the fanbase.

 

[Himannv]

I think fans have a right to be unhappy after we got thumped 6-1 and had what was clearly a very poorly planned transfer window. Of course, there are some who will be optimistic, and some who will be pessimistic, but that's the nature of a fanbase of millions - not everyone will think the same way.

 

[Bestietom]

I think fans have a right to be unhappy after we got thumped 6-1 and had what was clearly a very poorly planned transfer window. Of course, there are some who will be optimistic, and some who will be pessimistic, but that's the nature of a fanbase of millions - not everyone will think the same way.

Exactly.

 

[Mihai]

Then keep your opinions to yourself please.

You definitely sound like Johnno White

 

[Ish]

The majority would fall in the middle. For all the people that complain about PE teacher comments, there are just as many at the other end of the spectrum. This is just another thread to split the fanbase.

I must say, I am not too bothered about the opinions of others. If I don't like a thread, or the general tone/direction of a thread, I stay out. Or I'll state an opinion (it's usually always ignored ) and I hear the counter arguments, and i move on. It feels like at times, some are unable to move on if someone doesn't agree with them.

But overall, I always enjoy it on here and my general posting direction (Football, General, CE, Entertainment etc.) is probably dictated by how well we're doing because I know what to expect from the FF after a bad result(s)!

 

[lilcurt]

Your attitude and the way you’ve replied to posts here are the discussions I try to avoid to be honest, passive aggressiveness and sarcasm. You may have a point so I’ll concede

I'm not trying to be passive aggressive at all and sarcasm comes

I don't agree with that last sentence. I've noticed a whole lot of posters, who historically have not been so prone to posting emotionally/negatively, that don't post here anymore. The excessive moaning is driving people away. That's not balance.

Let's agree to differ my friend. If people of leaving that is their choice, I don't agree that we should censor to keep old members happy.

 

[AaronRedDevil]

It was a miracle only from the position he put us in. All in all I'd say it was just about acceptable as far as league campaigns go. I'm sure you wouldn't call a manager who takes us near relegation and then lifts us to 5th as a miracle worker. We were really happy at the end of last season but your statement was a bit funny

Yeah united were in that position and honestly got lucky in the end. But at least he managed to turn us around and capitalize on something for the first time in 7 years hah.

 

[Swearing Budgie]

I don't even read the forum any more. Or reply to threads like this.

 

[van Nistelrooy]

I refuse to pretend that everything is fine at Manchester United and 'get behind the team' when they've put the kind of performance that they did against Spurs.

It's the "we go again" mentality by the players and fans that has allowed this great club, in part, to be reduced to the sinking ship it continues to be today.

The Glazers and the board are laughing in the faces of the United fanbase more than ever. They're the ones responsbile for causing such a toxic atmosphere around the club. No United fan should be made to change their views or be silenced just because some don't like the negativity. None of us do!

I simply refuse to act like everything is fine and dandy. If you're fed up of the atmosphere around here, just stop reading.

 

[The United Irishman]

The match day thread is one of the most vile places on here. Calling every player a cnut, the manager a cnut non stop throughout the 90 minutes, I actually watch the game, so I am never involved during the 90 minutes. I always go in for a quick read afterwards and you would swear they were all 12 years old the way they get on. I refuse to believe that grown adults actually type them messages, but I fear I am wrong.

 

[FatherWolff]

A good and healthy thread! I do agree it should be a place to vent. Especially after matches and some of the political aspects of the club. But honestly, I mostly stay away if we loose. I do miss reading some good healthy football debate, and miss some of the posters contributing to a wider perspective. Now I feel there is to much aggression, easy fixes and less substance in the debates.

I will take the criticism on board and try contribute being a Man Utd fan is being part of a community! I’m far to quick labelling posters, and that doesn’t help.
A community is the sum of their members, and the majority will define what culture they want.

 

[Himannv]

I must say, I am not too bothered about the opinions of others. If I don't like a thread, or the general tone/direction of a thread, I stay out. Or I'll state an opinion (it's usually always ignored ) and I hear the counter arguments, and i move on. It feels like at times, some are unable to move on if someone doesn't agree with them.

But overall, I always enjoy it on here and my general posting direction (Football, General, CE, Entertainment etc.) is probably dictated by how well we're doing because I know what to expect from the FF after a bad result(s)!

Quoting you so that your opinion is not ignored!

 

[Lay]

There was toxicity when we were great!

 

[FatherWolff]

The match day thread is one of the most vile places on here. Calling every player a cnut, the manager a cnut non stop throughout the 90 minutes, I actually watch the game, so I am never involved during the 90 minutes. I always go in for a quick read afterwards and you would swear they were all 12 years old the way they get on. I refuse to believe that grown adults actually type them messages, but I fear I am wrong.

I agree. But I think it’s ok. People express their feelings there and then. It’s not to different being in the stands. I don’t read it much. I rather watch the game. But it’s a good place for people who need it.

 

[Ish]

Quoting you so that your opinion is not ignored!

Aargh man! That's much appreciated!

 

[Ish]

There was toxicity when we were great!

Sack Fergie, Sell Giggs!

 

[adexkola]

You deserve any misery you get from posting in here if you condoned the black hole that was this place during the latter parts of Moyes' tenure.

 

[Bestietom]

Sack Fergie, Sell Giggs!

Yes, there was. I remember Cole getting terrible stick when he missed a sitter. This was on the old Man Utd Forum.

 

[Schmeichel's Cartwheel]

The Glazers are not good owners, Ed is not a good negotiator, Ole is not good tactically & Maguire is not a leader.

It’s justifiable criticism.

New owners, VDS as DOF, Poch as manager, Bruno as captain

 

[Garethw]

Everything surrounding the club right now breeds negativity. How do you expect the fans to remain positive?

 

[Bestietom]

The Glazers are not good owners, Ed is not a good negotiator, Ole is not good tactically & Maguire is not a leader.

It’s justifiable criticism.

New owners, VDS as DOF, Poch as manager, Bruno as captain

Fair play. You are right there.

 

[BR7]

I always believed football forums were for just that. I also find it interesting OP that you are suggesting we should lay off the owners and CEO. Why exactly? Dipward was the mastermind behind the vultures ladening our club with their debt. Is it a surprise our demise correlated with their take over? SAF managed to cover the cracks but they are poisonous to our club and it’s history. Please Kindly edit your thread and remove the owners and Dipward from it. We are in an absolute mess and we have to be toxic to remove certain people

 

[Zlatan 7]

Sack Fergie, Sell Giggs!

I remember the zombie football thread

but these things are still remembered, these days it’s just a free for all of shit slinging.
Guess it’s just a mix of where united are and the current internet trend of picking sides with no intention of changing your mind, only reinforcing your stance.

 

[Infra-red]

Football fans like a moan even at the best of times. These are not the best of times.

 

[youngrell]

Seems to me it's more of a reflection of society overall, particularly with how we interact online. I often feel like losing my phone so I can no longer read the vitriol I come across daily, but for some reason I can't stay away.

Speaking out with hate has slowly become normalised in society in recent years, and it's crept its way on here too, sadly.

But, I think most football teams probably have the same level of toxicity, it's just ours is amplified because of a larger fanbase.

 

[PoTMS]

Ooooh, I don't like fans criticising the manager or the players despite our once great club staring in the abyss after getting comprehensively thumped 3 Premier League games in a row. Give over. If you expect things to all be hunky dory after that, then maybe it's not the forum for you.

 

[izec]

I agree. I mean i am pretty negative regarding us and specifically Ole, but the last week has been an absolute disaster. I have a feeling people spend too much time on Twitter and bring over the nonsense. Absolute memes some of them.

 

[Paul_Scholes18]

Seems to me it's more of a reflection of society overall, particularly with how we interact online. I often feel like losing my phone so I can no longer read the vitriol I come across daily, but for some reason I can't stay away.

Speaking out with hate has slowly become normalised in society in recent years, and it's crept its way on here too, sadly.

But, I think most football teams probably have the same level of toxicity, it's just ours is amplified because of a larger fanbase.

Don't feel there is that much hate here at all unlike other places. More love and frustration with how things are going.
We have just lost 6-1 and I am sure most people are still angry over that. I guess people struggle when their worldview gets questioned and might take those opinions as hate.
I guess the few with hate and extreme negativity step up in these times too.

 

[Bestietom]

I remember the zombie football thread

but these things are still remembered, these days it’s just a free for all of shit slinging.
Guess it’s just a mix of where united are and the current internet trend of picking sides with no intention of changing your mind, only reinforcing your stance.

No matter how much we won in Fergie's time here, we always had moaners.
Should sell this guy.
New CF needed
Midfield needs changing
You will always get this on a football forum.

 

[FatherWolff]

Ooooh, I don't like fans criticising the manager or the players despite our once great club staring in the abyss after getting comprehensively thumped 3 Premier League games in a row. Give over.

Was this irony? Or a contribution to less toxic tones of debate? My stand: 9 weeks is a long time in football, if the world can go from white to black in such short time.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

I used the ignore button for the first time ever on here this week, mainly for all the drivel threads written by basically the same group of posters who start all the moaning threads and don't have the first clue about football or running a football club.

So now when I connect to Redcafe the United forum usually starts with "Ignored thread".

If Redcafe continues to get worse and it's now worse than it has ever been during my time on here , I'll just leave although there are a lot of decent posters and I like to get news of the club from here.
Shame the place is being poisoned.

 

[Mihai]

The match day thread is one of the most vile places on here. Calling every player a cnut, the manager a cnut non stop throughout the 90 minutes, I actually watch the game, so I am never involved during the 90 minutes. I always go in for a quick read afterwards and you would swear they were all 12 years old the way they get on. I refuse to believe that grown adults actually type them messages, but I fear I am wrong.

Yes, like "Martial is championship quality" type of messages.

 

[Bilbo]

Now I feel there is to much aggression, easy fixes and less substance in the debates.

This is pretty much the crux of it. Too much hate fuelled abuse. Not enough calm analysis

 

[Paul_Scholes18]

No matter how much we won in Fergie's time here, we always had moaners.
Should sell this guy.
New CF needed
Midfield needs changing
You will always get this on a football forum.

Always different opinions. I never really complained about centre forwards for the club we always had great attackers.
Midfield though could have needed improvement in the last few years. Fletcher got ill and Scholes was getting old.
Anderson too fat and Cleverley not really a world beater.
I wanted a box-box midfielder over getting Van Persie, but can't complain with the short term outcome.

 

[Bestietom]

Always different opinions. I never really complained about centre forwards for the club we always had great attackers.
Midfield though could have needed improvement in the last few years. Fletcher got ill and Scholes was getting old.
Anderson too fat and Cleverley not really a world beater.
I wanted a box-box midfielder over getting Van Persie, but can't complain with the short term outcome.

Haha. I was the same.

 

[youngrell]

Don't feel there is that much hate here at all unlike other places. More love and frustration with how things are going.
We have just lost 6-1 and I am sure most people are still angry over that. I guess people struggle when their worldview gets questioned and might take those opinions as hate.
I guess the few with hate and extreme negativity step up in these times too.

I agree it's not as bad as other places but the level seems to be rising, and I mean that outside (or before) Spurs trounced us.

Fans are rightly aggrieved about performances, results and even the transfer window, but the disgusting way people talk about the manager, players and anyone else in the firing line is way over the top for me.

 

[#07]

Sack Fergie, Sell Giggs!

Classic.

Honestly, I can remember people chanting 4-4-2 at the dugout and actively demanding Carlos Quieroz be booted out of the club back in 2006 time. Not just on the internet. In person, at games. And that was having gone one, single, season without winning a trophy.

I actually think, all things considered, United fans have been pretty measured in their responses to the past seven years.

We might have stewed and ranted but compare our muted reaction to Sporting fans launching a full frontal assault on their training ground, attacking players, attacking the club President etc.

 

[Bilbo]

Everything surrounding the club right now breeds negativity. How do you expect the fans to remain positive?

There are things to be positive about if you want to see them. Most people that I talk to in real life (and before at the games) felt that the club had bottomed out under Mourinho and were now making positive strides.

 

[Web of Bissaka]

RedCafe is in danger of becoming a toxic place to be for Man Utd fans and we need to get back to how it used to be. A fun place to discuss, everything Man Utd related.

Is it really better before...?
= No, same thing actually even with the successes Fergie engineered. Some of the criticisms back then is also reasonable, some. Less to moan, but the same degree (Intensity, harshness, etc) of moans/criticisms.

I don't know mate, the alternative is to be like RAWK - delusional hyper positive threads.
Prefer the over critical threads here instead of ^ that.