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How has your witty observation earlier added anything to this discussion or this forum as a whole? It hasn't. It's just another example of a poster slagging of another one, but you don't even have the decency to address the poster directly, or even in the thread you've taken umbrage with. This is exactly what's causing the toxicity on this forum. Opposing views are a natural. What's not is slagging someone off because you disagree with them.That’s your opinion. Mine is that posters who won’t back up what they say adds to the toxicity of the forum which is what this thread is about. It’s not irrelevant.
That's not true at all. What argument is there for the Glazers and Woodward staying? There isn't one.You've basically summed up what's wrong with the forum. You, and many others are not willing to listen to alternative arguments.
I may not agree with a person's opinion but I'm not arrogant enough to not listen to it and discuss it before dismissing it.
You've decided what constitutes a "proper fan", whereas I might thik people that are supporting the manager despite his mediocre performance are not real fans as they are dragging our club into mediocrity. Am I right? Are you right? Or are we both supporters that want the best for the club?
I think that’s where I am, I’m just nowhere near as emotionally invested in football these days, I don’t know if that’s age or what, maybe because we’re shit? I don’t know but I don’t watch any European football anymore either so my football interest as declined rapidly and I can imagine in another 10 years in my fortites I won’t care at all about it, especially the way the game is going.I see it on here and on Twitter, I think I was probably like it at some point to be honest.
I think when you put a lot of your happiness into the results your football team get on Saturday and they are not performing you need an outlet to vent your anger, now this anger might not be just at football but because you don't have another avenue to vent that anger you take it out on people/things that you can notably players/board/club.
That result on Sunday wouldve infuriated me for days in my younger years, but now I was pissed for like an hour or so and then my wife made me laugh we went out for a walk and I realised my life is to good to waste be angry about a football match.
I have a similar outlook on what has happened this week players come and players go, we have missed players in the past and gone on to do great things, we have signed unheralded players in the past who have failed however some have succeeded I am of the wait and see bunch maybe because I have always deep down been an optimist
Or thisthe internets turned us normal folk into cnuts, and all the cnuts into conspiracy nuts or right-wing terrorists
He didn’t have the decency to respond to others. Just moved to his next topic. Opposing views are fine if you’re willing to back them up.[
How has your witty observation earlier added anything to this discussion or this forum as a whole? It hasn't. It's just another example of a poster slagging of another one, but you don't even have the decency to address the poster directly, or even in the thread you've taken umbrage with. This is exactly what's causing the toxicity on this forum. Opposing views are a natural. What's not is slagging someone off because you disagree with them.
And neither do I, but I'm sure there are people out there that can articulate a reason they support them. I wouldn't dismiss them from outset as you would just because I don't share the same view.That's not true at all. What argument is there for the Glazers and Woodward staying? There isn't one.
Having different opinions on the manager, the formation, the scouting, transfers.....fine. That's always going to be differing opinions. I just don't see a single positive about the owners or Woodward. Not even one. I'm sorry.
Probably because it wouldn’t make it past the first few posts before it turns into an Ole bashing thread to be fairIt's amusing that people can't see that this is just the flip side of the reactionary toxic nonsense they speak about. No willingness to actually debate so the opposing opinion gets reduced to one of a few phrases. Look how many dismissive reductive categorisations have been posted in this thread.
I see very few attempts by posters to put forward arguments against criticism it's nearly always just attacking the concept of being negative. There's a few who provide some decent analysis but that's it.
If you want some more positive threads then create them rather than just moaning about moaning. In the past we had threads explaining the benefit of the coaches tactics/setup, they weren't always right but at least it was debate. I can't remember the last time I witnessed such a thread.
Great post, and many of us on here feel the same I am sure!I'm not a prolific poster but I have been here for 16 years now so I've seen almost the entire lifespan of this forum and the last few months is the only time I've ever seriously considered walking away. I hope I'm not speaking out of turn here, but for me its a question for the moderators and owners, and that question is 'what type of forum do you want this to be?'
Its a fine line, because there absolutely should be free speech but this is after all supposed to be a pro-Manchester United place to be and its anything but that at the moment. As has been said threads such as 'predict the date of Oles sacking' and multiple others are unnecessary and add nothing other than yet another thread to bash something, anything, everything. Its tiring to read, and yes those individual threads are easy to avoid but they generate negative momentum and it spreads. Positive threads are quickly overrun by those who feel differently.
I get that sport is reactionary and I get that people like to vent sometimes, but there is no need to be so short-sighted. The Ole-backers were labelled deluded, puppets, on the payroll etc etc for most of last season. Then our form turned around and so many of those posters simply disappeared. Nothing to complain about = no point in posting. We mock Glaston for only coming here when Spurs are winning, but a huge section of posters only come here when United are losing. Its unhealthy and there has to be a better balance. The season has barely started and already people are losing their minds, and its not going to get any better until we start to remove some of these threads that are only there to spread the negativity.
Just my opinion
Agreed. I rarely post here anymore. It's just not fun these days.Not too sure where to put this, but I enjoyed coming to this place over the years and only lately have started to post more.
But I have seen far too many posts lately that are being abusive to our own manager, abusive to our own players, abusive to the owners, abusive to the CEO it's just disgusting to see.
Plenty of Ole Out threads that come up time and time again, 'predicting the date of when Ole gets the sack', "next man utd manager xx/xx" - I hate to see it because those type of threads are just full of the typical toxic football fan.
"Predict the date Ole gets the sack" What the fcuk?!
Our club has become divided and this isn't the place nor is it the time to discuss those matters, which have contributed to it.
But I'm fed up of seeing people attributed to our club get personal abuse and disgusting takes thrown their way.
Just now the Maguire one, where someone is calling for a new captain at the club. Calling Maguire all the names under the sun over a 30 second clip of him calming Rashford down, accepting the ref's decision and getting the players to get back into the game again. (Again not the time to discuss it, go to the thread) - 30 seconds! They're basing his whole captaincy on 1 30 second clip. What's he gonna do shout and scream at the ref and get booked himself?
The toxicity has skyrocketed since not getting Sancho and people are slating every single player we have bought this summer. Yet we haven't even seen them play yet.
RedCafe is in danger of becoming a toxic place to be for Man Utd fans and we need to get back to how it used to be. A fun place to discuss, everything Man Utd related.
I'm not even sure what that makes you mate. Definitely not a true fan though.I’m not defending them by the way, although some of what they get accused of I don’t agree with, but to have that approach, and to not even listen doesn’t help.
If I were to say I have some sympathy with the owners, does that make me not a fan? Because that’s what you said. I disagree with that, that’s my point.
I personally think this is something that needs to be reviewed. You need new blood, and you want new posters, but such a high % seem to post absolute crap.It’s because they changed the rules on letting newbies post. This used to be one of the best football forums on the Internet, full of knowledgeable and sensible fans from clubs all over the world
Now it’s flooded with the kind of idiots who should stick to writing “Ole out” on the clubs latest instagram post
So you want freedom of speech but also want to remove threads you fundamentally disagree with?I'm not a prolific poster but I have been here for 16 years now so I've seen almost the entire lifespan of this forum and the last few months is the only time I've ever seriously considered walking away. I hope I'm not speaking out of turn here, but for me its a question for the moderators and owners, and that question is 'what type of forum do you want this to be?'
Its a fine line, because there absolutely should be free speech but this is after all supposed to be a pro-Manchester United place to be and its anything but that at the moment. As has been said threads such as 'predict the date of Oles sacking' and multiple others are unnecessary and add nothing other than yet another thread to bash something, anything, everything. Its tiring to read, and yes those individual threads are easy to avoid but they generate negative momentum and it spreads. Positive threads are quickly overrun by those who feel differently.
I get that sport is reactionary and I get that people like to vent sometimes, but there is no need to be so short-sighted. The Ole-backers were labelled deluded, puppets, on the payroll etc etc for most of last season. Then our form turned around and so many of those posters simply disappeared. Nothing to complain about = no point in posting. We mock Glaston for only coming here when Spurs are winning, but a huge section of posters only come here when United are losing. Its unhealthy and there has to be a better balance. The season has barely started and already people are losing their minds, and its not going to get any better until we start to remove some of these threads that are only there to spread the negativity.
Just my opinion
Funny isnt it and if we get Poch one day, we will have to battle with the likes of Amadeus.A lot of the toxicity just originates from a sect of our fans having a cult like devotion to whoever our manager is. This was there under Moyes, Van Gaal and especially under Mourinho too.
Whenever the cult leader is under any type of pressure, the sect will burn down the entire club to deflect attention away from him.
I agree everything you say and sometimes I am too critical but its because of everything I am seeing unfolding in front of my eyes and I am firmly Ole In, I love Ole and always will no matter what may happen but the same things keep happening over and over again like Groundhog Day. This club is making fans toxic not the other way round friend, and with the information that Poch has been approached whilst Ole finished 3rd last season and done overall okay but trying to reinstall what Sir Alex did with Youth and expressive football is exactly what happened with the last 2 managers. I want this to be a fun place to chat and express my love for this club I have supported all my life and spent a lot of money on Season Tickets over the years, I have met many legends too who share these views too. With the way we have conducted ourselves off the pitch and on it this season we are in for a rocky rollercoaster season and the toxic atmosphere generated by that unfortunately will continue. And the Maguire one was my post which if you read properly am berating him for a 30 second clip but his performance this season, off pitch antics of what happened in Greece and the fact we were seriously ripped off by the 80m price tag we had to pay for him. When he can't shout at other players to hold the line, come out and apologise not on camera but on social media and where I compared him to past captains like I did on my post would you rate him as the BEST captain we have had in years no especially when he was given the captaincy with him being here 5 minutes which no club would ever do. Captaincy should be earnt not just given, if my post came out as aggressive and toxic I apologise I truly do I did not intend for it to come out the way it has. I like Maguire as a person but for what I have watched over the past few months, he did well last season but still some goals in the Semi Finals were avoidable but we move on. It's not fair to say I am merely calling him out over a 30 second clip when I outlined other things he did during the game.Not too sure where to put this, but I enjoyed coming to this place over the years and only lately have started to post more.
But I have seen far too many posts lately that are being abusive to our own manager, abusive to our own players, abusive to the owners, abusive to the CEO it's just disgusting to see.
Plenty of Ole Out threads that come up time and time again, 'predicting the date of when Ole gets the sack', "next man utd manager xx/xx" - I hate to see it because those type of threads are just full of the typical toxic football fan.
"Predict the date Ole gets the sack" What the fcuk?!
Our club has become divided and this isn't the place nor is it the time to discuss those matters, which have contributed to it.
But I'm fed up of seeing people attributed to our club get personal abuse and disgusting takes thrown their way.
Just now the Maguire one, where someone is calling for a new captain at the club. Calling Maguire all the names under the sun over a 30 second clip of him calming Rashford down, accepting the ref's decision and getting the players to get back into the game again. (Again not the time to discuss it, go to the thread) - 30 seconds! They're basing his whole captaincy on 1 30 second clip. What's he gonna do shout and scream at the ref and get booked himself?
The toxicity has skyrocketed since not getting Sancho and people are slating every single player we have bought this summer. Yet we haven't even seen them play yet.
RedCafe is in danger of becoming a toxic place to be for Man Utd fans and we need to get back to how it used to be. A fun place to discuss, everything Man Utd related.
Most of the discussion can go in the manager discussion thread though, why the need for ten threads saying how shit people think Ole is.Oh look it's the "stop being negative brigade"...
Surely this forum is a place for fans to talk opening about their feelings towards the club, both positive and negative.
There is a massive difference between toxic and negative, saying you think the manager is nearing the sack and guessing when it will happen isn't toxic.
The mood of the forum reflects that of the fanbase and is ultimately driven by the club's results on and off the pitch.
I really irks me when people have an issue around negativity basically not wanting freedom of speech.
The old system seemed to weed out the shite, but giving them access to mains, albeit on a limited basis sees a lot of low level posting.I personally think this is something that needs to be reviewed. You need new blood, and you want new posters, but such a high % seem to post absolute crap.
I don’t know what the answer is.
I've acknowledged your first paragraph in the quoted post.Again its a discussion forum. You are going to get a range of views. Some people are just negative people. Lots of people were complaining when we were winning title after title under Fergie. The Zombie Football thread was one of the most popular threads on the CAF in Sir Alex's last couple of years as manager.
I don't really understand why it affects anyone that someone else has a different point of view. We're not drones working for a Queen bee.
Some people swear blind that Poch will solve everything. Personally, I think that's fanciful. However, its an open forum and they have the right to say what they think even if I dislike it.
All that stuff about 'agenda' posters. It is what it is. People say their piece and then people are free to agree or disagree with it. Is the value of an opinion measured by how many people acknowledge it or don't? The CAF is here for us to express our opinions to others. That's it. You put it out there. Some people will say 'great' some people will say 'BS.' That's life.
What a thread to put this inI'm not even sure what that makes you mate. Definitely not a true fan though.
How can anyone have any sympathy for them? They saddled this club with THEIR debt and have been destroying us ever since. They were just lucky we had Fergie when they took over otherwise it would have turned sour long long before it did. They have put a man at the helm who has no idea what he's doing and they let him continue to embarrass us every single season. They've let OT get into a terrible state. Some parts of the ground are starting to show their age badly now.
Please tell me their redeeming qualities? I must have missed them.
LUHG !!!
I think thats unfair. There is a wide difference between saying 'think like I do' and what this thread is aiming to achieve. There has to be a better balance than there is right now.You're just as guilty of this and this post proves it, why not pour a bit of gasoline on a fire? This post is nothing but a whine about the fans who don't share your opinion, nothing else.
You see that’s the problem, there was no need for that last line.And neither do I, but I'm sure there are people out there that can articulate a reason they support them. I wouldn't dismiss them from outset as you would just because I don't share the same view.
A dangerous and narrow minded way to live your life.
Repetitive threads are a separate topic and I don't disagree on that point. The point of THIS thread though was around posting negative thoughts on the club.Most of the discussion can go in the manager discussion thread though, why the need for ten threads saying how shit people think Ole is.
Why?You see that’s the problem, there was no need for that last line.
Although I disagree with much of what you say, you are entitled to your view.I'm not a prolific poster but I have been here for 16 years now so I've seen almost the entire lifespan of this forum and the last few months is the only time I've ever seriously considered walking away. I hope I'm not speaking out of turn here, but for me its a question for the moderators and owners, and that question is 'what type of forum do you want this to be?'
Its a fine line, because there absolutely should be free speech but this is after all supposed to be a pro-Manchester United place to be and its anything but that at the moment. As has been said threads such as 'predict the date of Oles sacking' and multiple others are unnecessary and add nothing other than yet another thread to bash something, anything, everything. Its tiring to read, and yes those individual threads are easy to avoid but they generate negative momentum and it spreads. Positive threads are quickly overrun by those who feel differently.
I get that sport is reactionary and I get that people like to vent sometimes, but there is no need to be so short-sighted. The Ole-backers were labelled deluded, puppets, on the payroll etc etc for most of last season. Then our form turned around and so many of those posters simply disappeared. Nothing to complain about = no point in posting. We mock Glaston for only coming here when Spurs are winning, but a huge section of posters only come here when United are losing. Its unhealthy and there has to be a better balance. The season has barely started and already people are losing their minds, and its not going to get any better until we start to remove some of these threads that are only there to spread the negativity.
Just my opinion
Well a thread about tactics would usually lead to some criticisms of the manager, that's not unusual or unexpected.Probably because it wouldn’t make it past the first few posts before it turns into an Ole bashing thread to be fair
Yep. Though since I put a few threads on ignore it looks a lot better. I found that some of the worst threads are essentially the same thing but worded differently are made by the same posters.Great post, and many of us on here feel the same I am sure!
I tried to address that point in my post. Its not about removing threads as such, its about finding a balance, and I realise that its far from easy to achieve that, but its also important to try. I'm not a sensitive person, and I don't think everything is rosy at the club at the moment, but its also nowhere near as bad as the general tone of this forum would suggest that it is.So you want freedom of speech but also want to remove threads you fundamentally disagree with?
Ok, makes perfect sense. If you don't like the thread title just don't go in it maybe?
I thought it was about the forum being negative, when you click new posts and you see about ten threads calling out tactics, guessing sacking dates, 3 threads for one player and how shit they are . That just paints a totally negative picture, where really those points could have been put in one specific thread and discussed.Repetitive threads are a separate topic and I don't disagree on that point. The point of THIS thread though was around posting negative thoughts on the club.
As long as the posts aren't offensive they should be free to say what they want. If we want fewer negative threads maybe fans should do more to pressure the club in to acting right.
Depends where the argument comes from. The OP complains about the toxic nature of the forum while he contributes to it. Just did a quick search in his posting history and already in the first 4-5 pages he calls posters babies, fickle, naive and mocks anyone who doesn't hold his opinion.I think thats unfair. There is a wide difference between saying 'think like I do' and what this thread is aiming to achieve. There has to be a better balance than there is right now.
I don’t disagree with your post, by bashing I meant unrelated things like farmers league coach, championships level coach, no idea, clueless. You know the hyperbole I’m continually reading on here. It makes me laugh when I read that Ole is clueless. He may not be the Best tactical coach and certainly has flaws but I very much doubt he’s clueless. That’s what I meant but I realise we’re discussing a made up thread here, haWell a thread about tactics would usually lead to some criticisms of the manager, that's not unusual or unexpected.
If people aren't willing to contribute to the debate because they're concerned about negativity then they can't then complain when that absence causes only negative threads.
This was my concern with hiring a legend from the start. Standard managerial discussion becomes unpalatable when it's a club legend that people like.