The only thing I read that I really hated was the stupid idea of having Prem teams play Championship teams in the play-offs. The current Championship play-offs are one of the best things in the footballing calendar and doing the stupid version they’ve got in Scotland and Germany would make it worse.
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The playoff system isn't even remotely broke, the idea of "spicing" it up would basically just be ruining it.
Holy shit, I literally posted in a thread here the other day about how the PL should move to 18 teams and axe the league cup!
yes, don’t like that idea at all.
I like the idea of a Championship playoff revamp. Would add an extra dimension of excitement to the playoffs. No different to having the 7th best Championship team competing in it anyway. Imagine Newcastle v Sunderland in the playoffs to decide who stays/comes up to the Premier League.
It happen before in the 80s.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/198...ll League Second,top tier of English football.
Is that 100m the bribe to make it happen?
Ha, Reads like that doesnt it
Its fairly generous proposal as well that a lot of money they will be handing over to the lower leagues!
I like the premier league's one club one vote system, it pisses all over every other football body there is, all of which I detest intensely.
I don't like the loaning out 15 players thing, the big clubs have enough advantage over the small ones as it is. If anything I'd reduce the loans intra-premier league.
The play-off idea is worth trying, but I think the revenue should be shared out, otherwise a team finishing 16th could stay up with a massive cash windfall leaving the club that had fought to finish 15th wondering if they'd got it right.
I don't get the problem with the league cup, let the clubs just play their under-23s if they want to. And if you don't like it don't watch it.
I don't like the loaning out 15 players thing, the big clubs have enough advantage over the small ones as it is. If anything I'd reduce the loans intra-premier league.
The play-off idea is worth trying, but I think the revenue should be shared out, otherwise a team finishing 16th could stay up with a massive cash windfall leaving the club that had fought to finish 15th wondering if they'd got it right.
I don't get the problem with the league cup, let the clubs just play their under-23s if they want to. And if you don't like it don't watch it.
Biggest shake up in the game since XYZ - it will be all about securing the power and money at the top and screw the rest of the pyramid.
It's a propaganda. The elite clubs will effectively take complete control. Those "grassroots" changes are short term, and will be more on the marketing than actual stuffs. Very bad, dangerous, dictatorship kind of proposal.
The one that should make everyone uncomfortable is the reduction of the number of clubs requires to pass rule changes from 14 to 6.
That's not even logical.
Why should your vote matter as much as someone who earns a lot more than you?
You're one of the longest consecutive serving Premier League sides.
Arsenal, Chelsea, Everton, Liverpool, Manchester United, Tottenham Hotspur - since 1992/93
Manchester City - since 2002/03
Southampton - since 2012/13
West Ham United - since 2012/13
Crystal Palace miss out by one season, Leicester City two.
- The relegation/promotion playoff change is just copying what the Bundesliga does, and is a decent idea IMO.
- League cup I think should be for team who aren't in European competitions.
- Community shield is fine, not sure what the point is scrapping it, its just a curtain raiser
- Summer PL tournament every 5 years is dumb
- 18 team prem is meh, again copying the BL though
- All the financial sharing is good, but you can't expect that'll come without any gain from the big clubs, which leads to...
- The voting change, which is just a route to get to a European Super League which would be shit
Not quite what I meant though is it... I'm not sure, in this exact instance, votes on changes that impact specifically the PL should be 'equal' if one club has 28 consecutive years in the division compared to another club that yo-yos between PL and Championship. Hence why three or five-year consecutive memberships to qualify for voting privileges makes perfect sense.
What isn’t? The change or being uncomfortable with it?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54499998
Not really, if you're in the league you're in the league. Why should clubs be rewarded because increasing stratification of the league has enabled them to consolidate power and never realistically be relegated? The big 6 are already the massive beneficeries of a large reduction in competitiveness of the league...just how far do you want to push things?
Very much a I got mine attitude.
I dislike them but they're a multi-time PL winner and undeniably one of the biggest clubs in the world NOW even if not one of 'the traditional clubs'. I'd argue Leicester should also be included in the list as a former PL winner that currently reside in the top-flight.
Ah, "the big" six. OK, makes logical sense. Though I definitely do not agree with it.
Expect city and Chelsea will be big opponents
I mean, fair points and I can see that, as a WBA fan, it would clearly not benefit your club. I just think it works both ways - why should the big six be entitled to more power but why also should a club that literally won't be in the division next season have an equal vote on the changes to said division?
I don't know, I understand I'm being quite narrow-minded but it's also struck me as weird. For what it's worth, I think there would be some negotiation to all these 'proposed' changes anyway. I can see the PL have just released a statement basically telling it's all BS.
20 quid away tickets is by far the best thing in the proposals. The rest ranges from quite interesting ideas (COVID gift for the FA, percentage of PL money towards FA, gressroots etc., scrap LC) to downright sinister such as the nine club power committee thing. There's no way Liverpool and United are backing these motions if they stand to make less money and wield less power in English football.
@horsechoker good points on previous page.
RE: The one about 16th place club, it makes sense as 17th and 18th would go down automatically in an 18-team league. 16th would effectively be the third last place team.
RE: The one about 16th place club, it makes sense as 17th and 18th would go down automatically in an 18-team league. 16th would effectively be the third last place team.
What?
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Don't like the relegation/promotion playoff. Why should a team that finishes 16th be given a second chance to stay in the Premier League
Deny this if its like a full package, no shame what so ever.
This part is really worrying. Why should teams be able to veto takeovers of a rival club?
It's not that bad an idea really. Fulham won it last time and they'll probably get relegated this year.
Looking back, most playoff teams go down the next year. In the past 5 years, 3 out of 5 clubs have (Norwich, Hull, Fulham). Only Villa and Huddersfield stayed up (the latter going down the year after).
Absolutely vile from United and Liverpool to be honest. It's very very easy to see through this. So let's go through it........
Yes, we should abolish the League Cup and Community Shield and instead play pre season tournaments in 100 degree temperatures in the middle east and Asia because more money for us of course. Less competitive football and more pre season friendlies, its for the good of the players...
Also do Man City know about this? cant see them approving of the League Cup being disbanded, that basically wipes out half their trophy cabinet.
And yes we want more loans, more and more loans. This way we can stockpile talent, keeping them away from smaller clubs and that way we get all the transfer money when we sell them.
Honestly, anyone advocating this wants to have a long and hard think, read through the lines. The thing with greedy bastards is they never stop, if something like this gets the go ahead how far do you think these bigger clubs will go to protect themselves and make more money for them. The next step would be league splits (similar to Scotland) so that we get 4 Manchester derbies a season and shit and before you know it, they'll be stating we should get a two tier Premier League.
So before we start the process of these new measures that over a long period will benefit us about 200 times more than the lower league lets try and buy them off with some payments, maybe they wont notice the absolute nonsense that will follow.
Ah yes, here we go. So basically us teams in the top six we want to paid more than the rest because we always finish in the top six, why should you get money when we always finish in the top six and you don't?
Yes, we should abolish the League Cup and Community Shield and instead play pre season tournaments in 100 degree temperatures in the middle east and Asia because more money for us of course. Less competitive football and more pre season friendlies, its for the good of the players...
Also do Man City know about this? cant see them approving of the League Cup being disbanded, that basically wipes out half their trophy cabinet.
Ah wait we better throw in a mention about the women's game so it looks like we give a shit.
How can we shit on the lower teams whilst pretending we're giving them more opportunity? I know lets relegate more of them and promote less of them but give them an extra game to try and save themselves, hopefully they wont see through the charade.
We better mention something about financial fair play so these proposals look fair.
Oh yeah, we better do something nice for the fans who see through the charade so let's mention something that's been spoken about for ten years but we secretly know is never going to happen, 'safe standing'. We'll cap their away tickets but don't worry we'll increase the prices to view the Premier League on TV so we make the money back in other ways. Worse case scenario we charge them 50 quid for a beer and hot dog instead of the standard 25.
Yeah so cancelling the League Cup and a later start date means we can to do important things like play more pre season friendlies half way across the world. It'll be great for the players but mostly those Sheiks will pay us shit loads. Not you though Burnley because nobody wants to see you.
And yes we want more loans, more and more loans. This way we can stockpile talent, keeping them away from smaller clubs and that way we get all the transfer money when we sell them.
Honestly, anyone advocating this wants to have a long and hard think, read through the lines. The thing with greedy bastards is they never stop, if something like this gets the go ahead how far do you think these bigger clubs will go to protect themselves and make more money for them. The next step would be league splits (similar to Scotland) so that we get 4 Manchester derbies a season and shit and before you know it, they'll be stating we should get a two tier Premier League.
Yeah the League Cup should probably be binned. However I’d love to see the FA Cup spiced up a bit, maybe with a CL place for the winner. Have to say I’ve enjoyed the League Cup a lot more in recent years than the FA Cup.
All those complaining about the top 9 having more voting rights (i.e. those teams that will be most affected in the long-term by any vote) are probably the same people who complained that old people voted for Brexit when they won't even be alive to feel the consequences.
Absolutely shambolic and should not happen at all.
why are they so intent on killing football?
That Is the biggest stretch I have ever seen.
Can't say I like any of those changes really. Why 18 teams? Why remove tournaments on top of that?
Money.
All those complaining about the big 6 (which it is, they can overide the other 3 clubs) not having more voting rights to consolidate power are probably the same people who complain about wanting a more fair and equal society, but are Randian capitalists when it comes to a megacorporation they attach their support to.