That's exactly why I think it should be about the amount of years in the PL, and not about the current top standing in the league. Newcastle & Villa should get more votes than City.
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I agree. Why crush the dreams of so called lesser clubs aspiring to break into the top 6?
It’s more to do with the fact the UK has a competitive pay TV market and the English language makes it more attractive to people outside the UK.
Never in my life did I think I’d fall out of love with my club. United are becoming everything I hate in football. The American owners need to be gone. They have already ruined this club and now they want to ruin the entire English pyramid.
The Premier League pot will be split between 18 clubs not 20. Plus the extra time for longer pre-season tournaments abroad.
Looks a pretty awful idea to me. More importantly is, how stupid would the other teams in the premier league have to be to vote it through so only 6 teams vote needed to change the competition?
All I would like to see change with UK football is cheap ubiquitous streaming or TV packages to show all the games. The situation at the moment is farcical...
All I would like to see change with UK football is cheap ubiquitous streaming or TV packages to show all the games. The situation at the moment is farcical...
It's done in Germany works without any problems. The winner of the game between 3rd last and the playoffs in the championship play a game and the winner gets to play in the PL next season.
You'd also think all the lower league clubs have to vote for losing 2 more teams to non league as well.
However, history shows that throwing money at clubs makes them do such stupid things.
So you genuinely think that if the PL was like Bundesliga or La Liga where it was a foregone conclusion before every season, and matches were rarely unpredictable, that it would be as popular?
Germany is irrelevant.
They've had the same champion for about 73 years in a row and I doubt most people could barely name half the teams in the top flight there, let alone their championship.
Why take a playoff place and guaranteed promo slot off the championship, which is the most competitive league in the world.
That's something the lower half of the PL teams would definitely vote for - lower chance to get relegated.
They could tie it to the rest of the EFL though…
i.e "if we don't get our vetos we'll leave the Premier League and start this new structure with the rest of the EFL and fill up the new 'Premier League' with Championship sides."
I mean that won't happen, but that would be the threat, and a Premier League consisting of only Burnley, Sheffield United, Wolves, Palace, Leeds, Villa, Southampton, Leicester, Fulham, Brighton & West Brom is not going to bring in the money those clubs need to survive/thrive.
I imagine the voting might have to softened slightly to get this through easily, but if the big 6 start playing hardball I don't think the rest of the PL has much leverage given that they could just start a new league structure with the desperate EFL.
I'd take some ideas and bin others. Having other premier league clubs do the premier league/FA's job and approve or veto potential takeovers is ridiculous.
It would be like Jeff Bezos having a say in who takes over Google.
Scrapping the league cup? Why not make an 8 + 3 rule. Every premier league team can select before the season begins, whether or not they will opt in for the rule. If they do, then every league cup team they select must have 8 youth players and 3 senior players. Youth players are U-23. That way, it turns into a youth competition for the big clubs.
Also if a cup game is against a team in a lower division, then its automatically played at their ground.
No summer tournament and no increased number of loans. I'd be for clubs forming partnerships with lower league teams, however. The problem with the loan system, IMO is that clubs have no real incentive to use loanees over their own players when things are desperate. When you're in a scrap for survival in league one, who is a Tony Pulis going to put faith in? The 17 year old pampered kid from Arsenal who looks like a light breeze will blow him away or a 26 year old Ryan Shawcross type clogger? The realities are just too different. There's also the time and investment poured into a player who isn't your own.
A better suggestion to me would be that the big clubs pay smaller clubs to take their players out on loan. I'd put a cap on the money and the number of players to prevent it from looking like a bribe. I think a lot of clubs down at the bottom would jump at the chance to make £2m or £ 3m. Of course there would need to be an agreement over the number of games the kid would play.
There were a few other awful ones, that definitely should not be done. The summer tournament idea is just a farce. A glorified preseason friendly.
There's also the notion that some clubs shouldn't get a say because this is their "first year or first few years in the league". That notion ignores the concept of yo-yo clubs. West Brom and Fulham have been in and out of the league for years. All of a sudden their vote doesn't matter? If this rule was passed and by some nightmare scenario, Chelsea go bankrupt and are relegated. Then they get promoted next year. Does anyone here think the rules wouldn't be changed to allow Chelsea to still get a vote?
It would be like Jeff Bezos having a say in who takes over Google.
Scrapping the league cup? Why not make an 8 + 3 rule. Every premier league team can select before the season begins, whether or not they will opt in for the rule. If they do, then every league cup team they select must have 8 youth players and 3 senior players. Youth players are U-23. That way, it turns into a youth competition for the big clubs.
Also if a cup game is against a team in a lower division, then its automatically played at their ground.
No summer tournament and no increased number of loans. I'd be for clubs forming partnerships with lower league teams, however. The problem with the loan system, IMO is that clubs have no real incentive to use loanees over their own players when things are desperate. When you're in a scrap for survival in league one, who is a Tony Pulis going to put faith in? The 17 year old pampered kid from Arsenal who looks like a light breeze will blow him away or a 26 year old Ryan Shawcross type clogger? The realities are just too different. There's also the time and investment poured into a player who isn't your own.
A better suggestion to me would be that the big clubs pay smaller clubs to take their players out on loan. I'd put a cap on the money and the number of players to prevent it from looking like a bribe. I think a lot of clubs down at the bottom would jump at the chance to make £2m or £ 3m. Of course there would need to be an agreement over the number of games the kid would play.
There were a few other awful ones, that definitely should not be done. The summer tournament idea is just a farce. A glorified preseason friendly.
There's also the notion that some clubs shouldn't get a say because this is their "first year or first few years in the league". That notion ignores the concept of yo-yo clubs. West Brom and Fulham have been in and out of the league for years. All of a sudden their vote doesn't matter? If this rule was passed and by some nightmare scenario, Chelsea go bankrupt and are relegated. Then they get promoted next year. Does anyone here think the rules wouldn't be changed to allow Chelsea to still get a vote?
It's not really a lower risk though, as they need to trim 2 extra teams for starters.
That could well be half the league, and then they'd find it's much harder to get back up, and to exist at that level
Said the fox to the hen.
Trimming the PL to 18 teams is a separate thing from the relegation/promotion change, and yes, that they would oppose.
Isn’t EPL the only major league in the world that has such an equal distribution of TV revenues? Every other major league has their top 2 or 3 absorbing virtually all revenues.
It’s why the EPL is so competitive and why the players are so expensive.
It also makes long term completion with Real and Barca harder. And why Bayern can pick whom ever they want from the German league every year.
It’s why the EPL is so competitive and why the players are so expensive.
It also makes long term completion with Real and Barca harder. And why Bayern can pick whom ever they want from the German league every year.
The classic ol' "we'll give you some sweet terms now for the power to change the terms tomorrow and you won't have any say" trick!
Not an apt comparison, surely? True, teams do get relegated after only one season in the league, but at the beginning of the season they are a fully-fledged citizen/resident, to use your analogy. If somebody moves to my town and they are not sure how long they are going to stay, then yes I would expect them to have a vote. I have moved in the past and spent 1-2 years in a place, why should I sacrifice my voice during that time because circumstance dictates other people have lived here longer?
I'd expect people to have spent a little more than a year or two before being granted full voting rights. I don't think there are many countries on Earth you can go and expect full citizenship immediately.
What's going on with your username?
Well, it was an extension of your analogy and my way of expressing what I think should happen, I wasn't actually saying that's how voting/immigration works
Ah consecutive. I'd be interested to see where we'd fall in total time. Feels like we missed a good few seasons during our darkest days.
Just checked and we're 10th in all time matches played so likely 10th in total seasons.
When you say "so competitive", we know for certain that the league winner will come from one of 2 teams, and we can be pretty certain that Fulham and West Brom will go down.
Wonder what they'll release tomorrow to push this off the radar.
They are not doing that.. they are seeing if the team that comes in as the third team from the lower league is good enough. Fulham for example aren't doing all that well are they? It's a good system really.
Just how far down the leagues do you go for the league cup to be a nuisance to teams? Thats another trophy taken away
One of the top 8 usually win it anyway. Perhaps have it is a tournament for those not in Europe.
They ARE taking a play off place away.
Currently it's 3rd to 6th (4), and they're proposing it'll go from 3rd to 5th (3)
So you lose the guarantee a third team go up, and you lose a play off place.
Woeful stuff, and the champs clubs have only themselves to blame if they vote for it.
It's a slippery slope pissing on tradition.
People might say oh it's only the league cup, but next it'll be the FA cup, or more likely the top 6 just disappear into some breakaway if they don't get the power they're aiming for from this.
For me the League Cup takes away from the FA Cup.
I think having two cups is great. It gives more than one chance to go on a cup run.
With a good draw smaller teams can go really far in it.
Yes normally the big sides win it, but it is nice with upsets.
More than that, they are talking about ejecting two Prem teams into the Championship (booting two Championship teams out)
The big cups winning it surely shows it's worth winning it.
If Sheffield Wednesday and Hull won it every year it'd be utter gub, and you could understand wanting to bin it more.
Yep, the knock on is dreadful, and you can tell who the "big club" types are on this forum that don't for a second understand it's a woeful idea for the vast majority of clubs.
However, like a lot of things they'll tempt them with a wad of money to get it through no doubt.
True, I suppose I’m suggesting it for PL teams as a leveller.
I see nothing with regards to recompense for Gunnersaurus in here.
And helps smaller clubs financially with a David/Goliath fixture. Even the charity shield, we aint playing in it as we can get an extra game in malaysia
Most of it seems ok I guess. The league's structure should be left well alone though.
The Community Shield is a glorified pre season friendly. I don't mind the league cup, good opportunity for fringe players and young players to get game time.
The Community Shield is a glorified pre season friendly. I don't mind the league cup, good opportunity for fringe players and young players to get game time.
After doing so well with their corona virus response, especially in comparison to say Liverpool, whose initial response was a disgrace, United really are coming across like absolute menaces this last couple of days.