The obsession with dropping Mason Greenwood to the bench

[snowkarl]

Greenwood has scored like once against a top 10 team in the PL and has literally no impact aside from his goal scoring. He simply is not good enough at the moment to be our starting right winger. He should be a late sub and start in the cups or be rotation for starts when we play a bottom 6 or 8 team.

He's also scored something like one goal in his last 8 games. Another 2-3 games without a goal and the sharks will smell blood and the pressure will start piling up.

 

[humiliated]

What's with it?

Were PSG fans gagging for Mbappe to be dropped to the bench so he can 'learn' and instead sign a first team RW? Greenwoods future *might* be at CF but he won't be playing there anytime soon because we already have Martial there. Dropping him to the bench does nothing for him. He needs to play regular football to develop, and the place he can offer the most value is on the right side of our attack. Just like Mbappe did for PSG.

And I say he only just might be a CF, because teams nowadays are far more fluid than they were 20 years ago. It's not necessary your goal scoring machine is playing through the middle. In fact someone of Greenwoods shooting skillset might just be better off being a goalscoring wide forward.

Disregarding who is at CF at the moment, young Greenwood is a phenomenal player. To keep him on the bench, is a total travesty. Given enough playing time, he could potentially break our record for top scoring teenager.
Let true talent prevail, the lad has it in abundance!

 

[MackRobinson]

You said nothing about his development until I corrected you. Read this post of your below which triggered to why I told you have missed the point completely. All you were focusing was just Greenwood being rotation option.

What’s next, are you going start making another excuse again by saying it was a sarcastic post? Because that’s what you have been doing, after all it’s all started from these two:

Player won’t be well developed by just throwing him in matches for the sake of getting lot of minutes, most important is player needs to be well managed. If they can’t perform then it doesn’t do anything good for player’s development. Ole’s idea of getting top quality creative winger is to improve his team to create chances, more creative player means goalscorer will perform better and more consistent and Greenwood is goal scorer.

Sancho can play on the left means it doesn’t endanger Greenwood’s position on the right.

You actually didn't correct anything. Let me run it back for you since you seem to forgot what you posted. I posted a comment about buying a £100M and you bizarrely went on about what Sancho adds to the team, randomly equating that to Greenwood magically benefiting. After repeatedly telling you the impact of Sancho's creativity has nothing to do with the point, you switched focus and started harping on the OPs point, which I initially brought up. Quit pretending as if anything you said prior to that was arguing the same thing as the OP.

Your words (which have very little to do with Greenwood's development) :

Greenwood, Martial & Rashford are goalscorer not creative winger/attacker. The current front three lack of balance for creativity and that's why the manager wants him. Bruno will offer creativity in the middle, Sancho on the right while Telles on the left, what XI it would have been that we could have creativity in different area. We don't have someone like Trent as our right back then Sancho's quality is needed for our width and he can play both left & right.

Nothing is called established front three if there is no balance to get the best out of them. When both Rashford & Mason play wide, they are more of a goalscorer winger. What Ole wants is creator winger to balance his XI which is why 108m isn't for rotation but to get the best out of Greenwood, Rashford or Martial. And Greenwood can take Martial or Rashford spot.

If Greenwood is good enough then he shouldn’t be the likely candidate get the game time cut the most.

The point is that 108m will be spent in order to get the best out of Greenwood, Rashford & Martial not for rotation. Surely you don’t want us to just blindly play the three of them together but unable to make them perform, don’t you?

I think the original point is clear enough to tell you that 108m winger is not for the sake of rotation as what you claimed but actually for the sake of getting the best out of Martial, Rashford & Greenwood.

Then (the first time the OP was brought up):

1. Obviously a sarcastic post
2. How does it have to do with getting the best out of all 3 when one of them will have to be on the bench playing fewer minutes?

Regardless of what you think will happen, the fact is Sacho would initially replace one of the three, and that said individual will be a rotation option until further notice. The most likely candidate is Greenwood given his position (which is the OPs point). If you don't disagree then we are square.

No need for spin.

I shouldn't have to break this down for you. You could have simply read the posts and not gone off on a tangent. Then you wouldn't have the need to try a save face and make this a pissing match. However, I'm bored with this pointless back and forth, so you win. Sending your trophy via DHL tomorrow.

 

[MackRobinson]

So you don't think form and necessity play a huge factor in who would and would not start? As things stand, there is no real cover for Rashford so he gets to play when well below par without threat to his position - playing as he has been, time on the bench would be far from improbable with a player like Sancho here. Greenwood's position in the team simply being yoinked from him without deliberation or consideration of what others are offering the team when you have an actual talent pool to select from isn't realistic.

Rashford playing to his pre-injury standard, of course, Greenwood would be the one to make way, but that hasn't been the case for quite some time now.

I'm also unsure why you believe Martial remains unaffected unless he became more consistent than he has been. Directly or indirectly, Sancho would have thrown the gauntlet down to both of these players.

Even if Sancho was thrust into the team at RW, he would have no business playing non-stop - I believe in such a congested season as we're about to embark upon, rotation will be more important than ever and it doesn't matter which of the 3 starters you pick here; all of them will need downtime and proper handling if we're to have them firing at the tail-end of the season. Sancho would have facillitated that:

Martial's excess minutes would go to Greenwood.
Rashford's excess minutes would benefit Greenwood as Sancho then goes to the LW spot.

No single player from the pack should be getting worked into the ground - I don't see how Greenwood does not get enough gametime in any scenario, even as Sancho's understudy. He's guaranteed solid playing time in two positions from three.

Greenwood's minutes need to be handled correctly even as a starter, right now, with nobody currently at the club who is a better option than him at RW, which is what I find strange in what's being said by yourself and others.

Removing all of the talk about Martial and Rashford from my post and reducing it solely to the RW spot with just Greenwood and Sancho, the amount of games we've got coming thick and fast with so little recovery time, the two of them, in tandem, would be optimal to handle all of those games: a 40/20 split solely on RW starts, before even factoring them subbing in for the other (Sancho fades around 75ish minutes and has his own stamina to work on, which is normal given his age), that's a stacked season. How would that be detrimental?

The likelihood, however, is that Greenwood would've got more minutes as an out-and-out striker here with Sancho coming in than he will now with how things have panned out.
And in our squad where Ole doesn't play stand-ins because they're terrible, and we've got two kids who barely have any experience of the adult game coming to England and the PL, do you think we're aiding Greenwood or about to put him through the ringer as Ole scrambles to save his job after a calamitous start to the season?

Greenwood is being put in like a seasoned pro and the potential backfire for that should be seen as more problematic and indicative of the state we're in than him getting solid minutes across two positions as a very important component in a 4-man rotation.

I'm not disagreeing that this could happen eventually, b/c it's a plausible guess. What I'm saying (and the point the OP is more or less making) is that initially, Greenwood is the most likely to have his minutes impacted and therefore his development is at risk. Again I don't understand how this is arguable.

Let's assume the bolded part of your post is true. Greenwood gets 20 starts, most likely not in big games, but we will ignore that. Even if Sancho came off on the 75th minutes of all those 40 matches (however unlikely), those forty 15-minute cameos are equivalent to 6.67 matches. Let's call it 7. So we can assume he plays around 27 matches. Given his trajectory at the end of last season, the amount he played and his productivity, I don't understand how anyone can just assume signing Sancho will benefit him.

 

[MackRobinson]

Buying a RW frees up Greenwood to play in his natural/favourite position(CF).

Even though he was brilliant at RW at the end of last season.

 

[Highfather_24]

Even though he was brilliant at RW at the end of last season.

He was. But he also showed his weaknesses there. His best attributes are his dribbling, his finishing and his movement inside the box. He has played as a CF his entire life, and he was put as a RW because we have no one there. Once he becomes more physically strong, he should be our CF.

If you actually think RW is where he should play, you are not really championing his cause as you think you are.

Ole said this couple of weeks back :


"I think he'll end up as a No 9 in the end, probably. But he's so good with his right and left [foot], so he can come in off his right and left, or through the middle. I scored most of my goals from just outside the post as well, I wasn't like in the middle. For him to be a No 9, though, he needs to learn how to head the ball. I keep telling him that and, if he wants to do that, he's welcome to come and practice with me."

I am a huge Greenwood fan, and have followed him through his academy time. Buying a CF, and not buying a RW, means Greenwood's opportunities to play in his favourite position is being blocked, and I dont want that. I want us to get a proper RW, and let Greenwood/Martial compete for the CF position.

 

[Web of Bissaka]

If this is not football/sport, then the thread title sounds so 'dirty'...

 

[Ali Dia]

The obsession with an academy graduate maybe having some competition for their place or heaven forbid spending a few games on the bench. This place is mental. Some not even wanting to sign Sancho because one of martial rashford or greenwood wouldn’t get to play every single game. Crazy

 

[OverratedOpinion]

Greenwood has scored like once against a top 10 team in the PL and has literally no impact aside from his goal scoring. He simply is not good enough at the moment to be our starting right winger. He should be a late sub and start in the cups or be rotation for starts when we play a bottom 6 or 8 team.

He's also scored something like one goal in his last 8 games. Another 2-3 games without a goal and the sharks will smell blood and the pressure will start piling up.

Jesus wept.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

You actually didn't correct anything. Let me run it back for you since you seem to forgot what you posted. I posted a comment about buying a £100M and you bizarrely went on about what Sancho adds to the team, randomly equating that to Greenwood magically benefiting. After repeatedly telling you the impact of Sancho's creativity has nothing to do with the point, you switched focus and started harping on the OPs point, which I initially brought up. Quit pretending as if anything you said prior to that was arguing the same thing as the OP.

Your words (which have very little to do with Greenwood's development) :





Then (the first time the OP was brought up):

No need for spin.

I shouldn't have to break this down for you. You could have simply read the posts and not gone off on a tangent. Then you wouldn't have the need to try a save face and make this a pissing match. However, I'm bored with this pointless back and forth, so you win. Sending your trophy via DHL tomorrow.

You are the one who spin this and I was just letting you do it and made valid counter argument on each of them.

My very first post was about the benefit of spending 108m to our goalscorer is relevant to your initial post that you believed it’s just for the sake of rotation.

Imagine buying a £108 winger just for the sake of rotation.

Initially you called it irrelevant until I reminded you about your initial post which later on you realised it was actually relevant so you decided to call your initial post as a sarcastic post.

1. Obviously a sarcastic post

Instead of stop, you decided to keep going to save your face by asking a question and brought up another argument which you claimed as OP point.

2. How does it have to do with getting the best out of all 3 when one of them will have to be on the bench playing fewer minutes?

Regardless of what you think will happen, the fact is Sacho would initially replace one of the three, and that said individual will be a rotation option until further notice. The most likely candidate is Greenwood given his position (which is the OPs point). If you don't disagree then we are square.

I counter your question and the argument. Here let me summarise it to you:

1. We can’t getting the best out of goalscorers without having enough creator to create chance for them, which is the reason why Ole wanted to add a creative winger to his team. This is relevant to your question.

2. There are 50 or plus games in a season means Greenwood will get enough amount of regular game time. It’s about well managed which what Greenwood needs right now, it’s not about overplaying Greenwood. This is relevant to OP’s concerned with Greenwood‘s development as he will not get enough game time

3. Martial & Rashford position aren’t locked and can be disposed easily, Sancho can play on the left means he can disposed those two not just Greenwood. This is relevant to your concern of Sancho is taking Greenwood position.

 

[Fortitude]

I'm not disagreeing that this could happen eventually, b/c it's a plausible guess. What I'm saying (and the point the OP is more or less making) is that initially, Greenwood is the most likely to have his minutes impacted and therefore his development is at risk. Again I don't understand how this is arguable.

Let's assume the bolded part of your post is true. Greenwood gets 20 starts, most likely not in big games, but we will ignore that. Even if Sancho came off on the 75th minutes of all those 40 matches (however unlikely), those forty 15-minute cameos are equivalent to 6.67 matches. Let's call it 7. So we can assume he plays around 27 matches. Given his trajectory at the end of last season, the amount he played and his productivity, I don't understand how anyone can just assume signing Sancho will benefit him.

Because he's 19 and should not be playing an excess of matches. I made the point before that man child, freakishly developed teenagers get away with it and come out the other side untarnished. Players like Milner, Barry, perhaps the truncated career of Giggs get away with it, but more commonly, by some distance, teenage sensations are ruined by 30-odd and limp out the other side of their career a shadow of what they were. Owen, Rooney, Kluivert, Fabregas, Torres, Wilshire, Joe Cole, Whiteside, Richards, the list goes on. Rooney wasn't even handled poorly, and one might argue that his lifestyle played the bigger hand, but the point stands; just because they burst out the traps, it does not mean they should be played as if they were fully developed men.

27 full matches worth for a 19-year old is a lot of games, particularly for a forward at a top club, which should not be lost in this discussion.

The minutes they do get should be tailored to their mental and physiological makeup. Granted, I don't know what Greenwood's constitution is, but he doesn't look like some genetic freak to me and I don't think his playing time in this team at this time, with Ole's predicament are at all predicated on that. There is absolutely nothing wrong with coddling and nurturing the talent and slowly bringing it to the boil, which is normal trajectory for far more of the great ones than not, many of whom were non-entities as teenagers.

Initially is quite nebulous as a terminology; what do you mean? Over how many games do you think a manager desperate for points would stick with underperforming players when he has options to flip that on its head and try someone different? How many games do you think a below par Rashford would get with the pressure cranking up on Ole before he's led to the guillotine?

Even if you take Rashford out of that and suppose it's Martial tanking, how long do you think the manager would persist with him before giving a player who is a proven goalscorer a go?

I cannot see why this is black and white to you when there are so many variables that would have ensured Greenwood playing time. The OP is even questionable if Sancho came in and was on fire - there are too many games in too little time for us not to rotate between the starters and what we have on the bench. In a normal, non-condensed season, all of them at peak form does lessen Greenwood's playing time, but even there, 10-15 starts are not out of the question. You factor in Rashford's back, and that number very probably goes up.I don;t think any of this is a leap or a stretch, rather, elementary conclusions to make - ones brought about via necessity and not trying to stuff Greenwood into the team as an afterthought.

 

[MackRobinson]

Because he's 19 and should not be playing an excess of matches. I made the point before that man child, freakishly developed teenagers get away with it and come out the other side untarnished. Players like Milner, Barry, perhaps the truncated career of Giggs get away with it, but more commonly, by some distance, teenage sensations are ruined by 30-odd and limp out the other side of their career a shadow of what they were. Owen, Rooney, Kluivert, Fabregas, Torres, Wilshire, Joe Cole, Whiteside, Richards, the list goes on. Rooney wasn't even handled poorly, and one might argue that his lifestyle played the bigger hand, but the point stands; just because they burst out the traps, it does not mean they should be played as if they were fully developed men.

27 full matches worth for a 19-year old is a lot of games, particularly for a forward at a top club, which should not be lost in this discussion.

The minutes they do get should be tailored to their mental and physiological makeup. Granted, I don't know what Greenwood's constitution is, but he doesn't look like some genetic freak to me and I don't think his playing time in this team at this time, with Ole's predicament are at all predicated on that. There is absolutely nothing wrong with coddling and nurturing the talent and slowly bringing it to the boil, which is normal trajectory for far more of the great ones than not, many of whom were non-entities as teenagers.

Initially is quite nebulous as a terminology; what do you mean? Over how many games do you think a manager desperate for points would stick with underperforming players when he has options to flip that on its head and try someone different? How many games do you think a below par Rashford would get with the pressure cranking up on Ole before he's led to the guillotine?

Even if you take Rashford out of that and suppose it's Martial tanking, how long do you think the manager would persist with him before giving a player who is a proven goalscorer a go?

I cannot see why this is black and white to you when there are so many variables that would have ensured Greenwood playing time. The OP is even questionable if Sancho came in and was on fire - there are too many games in too little time for us not to rotate between the starters and what we have on the bench. In a normal, non-condensed season, all of them at peak form does lessen Greenwood's playing time, but even there, 10-15 starts are not out of the question. You factor in Rashford's back, and that number very probably goes up.I don;t think any of this is a leap or a stretch, rather, elementary conclusions to make - ones brought about via necessity and not trying to stuff Greenwood into the team as an afterthought.

Rashford had 53 appearances as 19-year-old. TAA 33 appearances at 19. Rooney 43 as an 18-year-old. Sterling 52 with appearances as a 19-year-old. Sancho 43 apps at 18. There are many more examples, but the point is a young player with the potential and ability of Greenwood plays a lot of matches. Would these players really have reached their primes playing less? I also think it's unfair to automatically attribute the decline of those players you listed to playing at a young age, especially when many of them reached the peak of their potential and contributed to winning teams.

There is one thing to closely monitor young talent by signing solid backup options and there is another thing to sign a young, marquee, £100+ player in direct competition for that said player's position. It would be one thing if United went after a clear backup option (ie. Jota and Liverpool) or an older short term option (whatever the RW equivalent of Cavani is) but neither of these are the case.

"Initially" meaning the moment Sancho is signed what does the team sheet look like. Realistically, Greenwood would be the one coming from the bench. The problem is you're assuming Rashford and Martial will underperform and Greenwood will take their minutes, which is a guess at best. What if a front 3 of Rashford/Marital/Sancho come out firing? While that's great for the team, it still in all likelihood means less game time for Greenwood. If we average out all the scenarios w/ and w/o Sancho, the scenarios w/ Sancho mean less playing time for Greenwood, which is a risk to his development. If you predict he eventually gets his chance then that's fine, but it doesn't eliminate the risk of his playing time with Sancho in the squad.

 

[humiliated]

Nothing wrong with way Greenwood is being managed, hopefully he can be rested more once Pellestri settles in. At his age needs to be nurtured carefully as fergie did with teenagers.

Did Fergie carefully nurture Rooney ?
Facts prove not
Was listening to both Tim Sherwood and Glen Hoddle , both brilliant football minds, on Sky sports a coupla weeks ago, and they both were of the very firm opinion, that Greenwood will push Rashford to the bench! Totally agree!

 

[humiliated]

You are the one who spin this and I was just letting you do it and made valid counter argument on each of them.

My very first post was about the benefit of spending 108m to our goalscorer is relevant to your initial post that you believed it’s just for the sake of rotation.



Initially you called it irrelevant until I reminded you about your initial post which later on you realised it was actually relevant so you decided to call your initial post as a sarcastic post.



Instead of stop, you decided to keep going to save your face by asking a question and brought up another argument which you claimed as OP point.



I counter your question and the argument. Here let me summarise it to you:

1. We can’t getting the best out of goalscorers without having enough creator to create chance for them, which is the reason why Ole wanted to add a creative winger to his team. This is relevant to your question.

2. There are 50 or plus games in a season means Greenwood will get enough amount of regular game time. It’s about well managed which what Greenwood needs right now, it’s not about overplaying Greenwood. This is relevant to OP’s concerned with Greenwood‘s development as he will not get enough game time

3. Martial & Rashford position aren’t locked and can be disposed easily, Sancho can play on the left means he can disposed those two not just Greenwood. This is relevant to your concern of Sancho is taking Greenwood position.

Read all your arguments gentlemen, all sound quite precise and show your true feelings for the club.
Just 1 point I would like to bring to the table. As long as Man Utd have Martial & Rashford starting in our front 3, we shall not win any trophies! They will win us a good few games throughout a season, but championships, they're nowhere near the class that is needed !

 

[Mr. MUJAC]

He was. But he also showed his weaknesses there. His best attributes are his dribbling, his finishing and his movement inside the box. He has played as a CF his entire life, and he was put as a RW because we have no one there. Once he becomes more physically strong, he should be our CF.

If you actually think RW is where he should play, you are not really championing his cause as you think you are.

Ole said this couple of weeks back :


"I think he'll end up as a No 9 in the end, probably. But he's so good with his right and left [foot], so he can come in off his right and left, or through the middle. I scored most of my goals from just outside the post as well, I wasn't like in the middle. For him to be a No 9, though, he needs to learn how to head the ball. I keep telling him that and, if he wants to do that, he's welcome to come and practice with me."

I am a huge Greenwood fan, and have followed him through his academy time. Buying a CF, and not buying a RW, means Greenwood's opportunities to play in his favourite position is being blocked, and I dont want that. I want us to get a proper RW, and let Greenwood/Martial compete for the CF position.

When I was watching him at U/15, U/16 and U/18 level he played in multiple positions including out wide, off the main striker and leading the line. So not sure where you get this from? Players like Ramazani, Mellor, Burkart and Elanga and others all played in the #9 role while Mason played out wide in the same games.

 

[Handré1990]

Did Fergie carefully nurture Rooney ?
Facts prove not
Was listening to both Tim Sherwood and Glen Hoddle , both brilliant football minds, on Sky sports a coupla weeks ago, and they both were of the very firm opinion, that Greenwood will push Rashford to the bench! Totally agree!

 

[Highfather_24]

When I was watching him at U/15, U/16 and U/18 level he played in multiple positions including out wide, off the main striker and leading the line. So not sure where you get this from? Players like Ramazani, Mellor, Burkart and Elanga and others all played in the #9 role while Mason played out wide in the same games.

I was not aware of this. Thanks for letting me know. What would you say is his best position? As a lone striker, or cutting in from the right?

 

[Mr. MUJAC]

I was not aware of this. Thanks for letting me know. What would you say is his best position? As a lone striker, or cutting in from the right?

I think he's actually pretty good in all the front roles. At least he was in junior football. I guess that is why Solskjaer is comfortable with playing him out wide at the moment.

 

[Foxbatt]

The issue is not Greenwood being on the wing. The issue is that the only thing he does is shoot. He does not pass the ball to his team mates when they are in a better position. So now defenders have sussed him out and he gets blocked every time he tries to pull the trigger while people like Rashford and Martial are in much better space and positions. He needs to be ordered to pass to his team mates when they are in better positions.

 

[He'sRaldo]

The issue is not Greenwood being on the wing. The issue is that the only thing he does is shoot. He does not pass the ball to his team mates when they are in a better position. So now defenders have sussed him out and he gets blocked every time he tries to pull the trigger while people like Rashford and Martial are in much better space and positions. He needs to be ordered to pass to his team mates when they are in better positions.

That's down to decision making drilling. As a youngster that's the most important thing to learn, and when you see the instinctive way our front 3 play, I don't think any of them have been taught this.

It's usually something you don't have naturally as a youngster, except for the likes of Mbappe. Even Sancho had to learn decision making a lot in his 1st season at Dortmund, but then again Dortmund is a very good club for teaching players that aspect.

 

[Foxbatt]

That's down to decision making drilling. As a youngster that's the most important thing to learn, and when you see the instinctive way our front 3 play, I don't think any of them have been taught this.

It's usually something you don't have naturally as a youngster, except for the likes of Mbappe. Even Sancho had to learn decision making a lot in his 1st season at Dortmund, but then again Dortmund is a very good club for teaching players that aspect.

I am not blaming him. Yes you are correct. It's training and what you do on training gets you to do during the match.
I really want to see him play up front with Rashford and not on the wing. A two man strike force.

 

[Samid]

Those that didn't want to sign a right winger because it would hamper Greenwood's development deserve every bit of Mata getting constant starts in that position. Crazy how some people genuinely believe you only need 11 good players in the squad through a 50+ game season.

 

[SCJY]

So he's not even on the bench today.

Apparently it's due to some disciplinary action. Seems like his career is going down the drain fast. I hope he can sort himself out, but it's not looking good. I know he's young and all, but if it's time after time, the manager has to be pulled into focus and his managerial nous.

 

[cyberman]

So he's not even on the bench today.

Apparently it's due to some disciplinary action. Seems like his career is going down the drain fast. I hope he can sort himself out, but it's not looking good. I know he's young and all, but if it's time after time, the manager has to be pulled into focus and his managerial nous.

You need to provide proof of this before these type of posts. He is the victim of too much bullshit hearsay on here

 

[Rolaholic]

Southgate deciding it was best to leave Greenwood out after speaking with Ole so he could continue his development with us, only to not even be in the squad today...

The lack of him playing wide for us has been one of our pitfalls in attack this season honestly

 

[Gabagoo]

You need to provide proof of this before these type of posts. He is the victim of too much bullshit hearsay on here

The evidence is that he's not in the squad. Other than injury, why else would he not be in?

Until the club come out and state that Greenwood is injured today, it's disciplinary.

Greenwood does seem to have that stupid 'lad' attitude, which should be to a point accommodated because he's such a talent. But seeing as Ole thinks he's Ferguson, he needs to find a way of getting through to the kid and keeping him focused.

 

[cyberman]

The evidence is that he's not in the squad. Other than injury, why else would he not be in?

Until the club come out and state that Greenwood is injured today, it's disciplinary.

Greenwood does seem to have that stupid 'lad' attitude, which should be to a point accommodated because he's such a talent. But seeing as Ole thinks he's Ferguson, he needs to find a way of getting through to the kid and keeping him focused.

https://www.manutd.com/en/news/deta...wood-missed-everton-1-man-utd-2-on-7-nov-2020

See? Utter nonsense. No doubt the next time he isnt playing fans will vaguely use this scenario and his drinking nonsense to compound the next lie.
All of which isnt true

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

https://www.manutd.com/en/news/deta...wood-missed-everton-1-man-utd-2-on-7-nov-2020

See? Utter nonsense. No doubt the next time he isnt playing fans will vaguely use this scenario and his drinking nonsense to compound the next lie.
All of which isnt true

it’s unbelievable how these fans make up scenarios and convoluted explanations for things.

 

[Rolaholic]

it’s unbelievable how these fans make up scenarios and convoluted explanations for things.

I will never not be surprised by the amount of 'fans' who seemingly get giddy at any chance to tear down our players and manager

There doesn't even need to be anything silly like facts to back it up, just unfounded assumptions that people immediately run with and stick to.

It's always guilty until proven innocent for too many miserable sods who claim to support the club.

 

[AltiUn]

The evidence is that he's not in the squad. Other than injury, why else would he not be in?

Until the club come out and state that Greenwood is injured today, it's disciplinary.

Greenwood does seem to have that stupid 'lad' attitude, which should be to a point accommodated because he's such a talent. But seeing as Ole thinks he's Ferguson, he needs to find a way of getting through to the kid and keeping him focused.

That’s not evidence at all. Stop peddling fake news. Sad.

Also “until the club come out and state that Greenwood is injured today, it’s disciplinary” ... that’s not how that works. The disciplinary issues didn’t exist in the first place (as confirmed by Solskjaer himself) yet we’ve got people bringing it up over and over again, can you maybe see how that’s an issue?

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

It will never not be surprised by the amount of 'fans' who seemingly get giddy at any chance to tear down our players and manager

There doesn't even need to be anything silly like facts to back it up, just unfounded assumptions that people immediately run with and stick to.

It's always guilty until proven innocent for too many miserable sods who claim to support the club.

it’s astonishing, and I presume they have this attitude to the rest of their lives. They must live a terrible existence, not finding joy in anything.

 

[Cutch]

So he's not even on the bench today.

Apparently it's due to some disciplinary action. Seems like his career is going down the drain fast. I hope he can sort himself out, but it's not looking good. I know he's young and all, but if it's time after time, the manager has to be pulled into focus and his managerial nous.

Oh ffs. Could you not even have waited to hear what the manager said the reason was before you speculated on bullshit without a source

 

[stevoc]

Those that didn't want to sign a right winger because it would hamper Greenwood's development deserve every bit of Mata getting constant starts in that position. Crazy how some people genuinely believe you only need 11 good players in the squad through a 50+ game season.

Yeah the idea that a 19 year old left footed striker no matter how talented could be our starting right winger for 50-60 games was a bit misguided to say the least.

And yeah as someone who grew up watching Fergies sides with exciting flying wingers, watching Mata waddle around the wing instead of a proper right winger makes me sad inside.

 

[Garethw]

The lad isn’t a fecking winger. He’s a centre forward playing wide.

Those posters saying that we shouldn’t have signed Sancho because it blocks Greenwood’s development were delusional.

 

[Judas]

The lad isn’t a fecking winger. He’s a centre forward playing wide.

Those posters saying that we shouldn’t have signed Sancho because it blocks Greenwood’s development were delusional.

Pure stupidity then, even more stupid now.

Also not worried we're not seeing him every week right now, if issues need ironing out then so be it. People starting to write him off and saying he won't fulfil his potential are experts in baseless panic.

 

[Garethw]

Pure stupidity then, even more stupid now.

Also not worried we're not seeing him every week right now, if issues need ironing out then so be it. People starting to write him off and saying he won't fulfil his potential are experts in baseless panic.

Exactly. Mason looks a real talent. If he’s good enough his quality will get him into the squad and team regardless of other players.

I’m guessing a lot of these fans that didn’t want Sancho would have been demanding Fergie sell Sheringham and Solskjaer to give and Nevland and Healy a chance in 1999!

 

[Gabagoo]

That’s not evidence at all. Stop peddling fake news. Sad.

Up until Solksjaer stated that Greenwood was ill, there was no evidence of any reason why he would be out.

I wasn't "peddling" anything, just stating my opinion on the likelihood of why a key player wouldn't be in the squad. And as I said, until the manager comes out and states why a key player wasn't included them the most likely reason is surely the one that has been hanging around him like a cloud.

No evidence for Greenwood's disciplinary issues? Was he not excluded from an England squad recently for something other than injury or illness?

Or am I being 'negative'.

 

[Gabagoo]

The lad isn’t a fecking winger. He’s a centre forward playing wide.

Those posters saying that we shouldn’t have signed Sancho because it blocks Greenwood’s development were delusional.

Those posters need to go and support another team ASAP because they're clearly not interested in United improving as a team and winning big trophies.

They're the top reds who think that all current squad players are their best mates and should be glorified.

 

[Schmeichel's Cartwheel]

I think he’s a bit immature. Nothing I’ve heard, just my gut feeling. I think Ole is taking him out of the spotlight for his own good.

Not all teenagers can have the maturity & temperament Rashford did at that age unfortunately.

 

[Schmeichel's Cartwheel]

The lad isn’t a fecking winger. He’s a centre forward playing wide.

Those posters saying that we shouldn’t have signed Sancho because it blocks Greenwood’s development were delusional.

Those same people bitch & moan whenever they see Mata or James in the team too