Jose Mourinho | Spurs manager

[rotherham_red]

This loss is a storm in a teacup: a one-off. We had the same hysterics on here over their loss to Everton and his subsequent reaction to that defeat which was much more insulting to the club and the fans than anything he said yesterday. Fast forward 3 weeks, and they were battering us 6-1 at Old Trafford, as well as getting past Chelsea in the EFL Cup.

They'll bounce back again and get back in form, I'm sure of it. They most likely don't have enough in them to be properly challenging, but they'll make a much better fist of the Top 4 race than they did last year.

 

[windco]

People shouldn't forget that we started the 2017-18 season quite well with him and progressively regressed in performances in the second half of that season. This is how it goes with Jose, all good when the results are great but won't take long to turn toxic because he just doesn't accept responsibility.

It's matter of who Levy is going to side with whether on him or the player he deemed not good enough. For now i think Levy would rather get rid of example, Dele Alli than Mourinho.

 

[Eckers99]

When team wins it's because of Jose, when team loses it's because players are not good enough and have too many holes or their attitude is not good enough.

Basically. Also, he just loves playing to the gallery and enough people have bought into his bullshit over the years for him to repeat it with each club.

 

[DatIrishFella]

This loss is a storm in a teacup: a one-off. We had the same hysterics on here over their loss to Everton and his subsequent reaction to that defeat which was much more insulting to the club and the fans than anything he said yesterday. Fast forward 3 weeks, and they were battering us 6-1 at Old Trafford, as well as getting past Chelsea in the EFL Cup.

They'll bounce back again and get back in form, I'm sure of it. They most likely don't have enough in them to be properly challenging, but they'll make a much better fist of the Top 4 race than they did last year.

Yeah but Jose is still a petulant cnut.

 

[RedSky]

This loss is a storm in a teacup: a one-off. We had the same hysterics on here over their loss to Everton and his subsequent reaction to that defeat which was much more insulting to the club and the fans than anything he said yesterday. Fast forward 3 weeks, and they were battering us 6-1 at Old Trafford, as well as getting past Chelsea in the EFL Cup.

They'll bounce back again and get back in form, I'm sure of it. They most likely don't have enough in them to be properly challenging, but they'll make a much better fist of the Top 4 race than they did last year.

Their early form is tailing off a bit, the West Ham result has dented their confidence. Feels like Kane is carrying them right now, he's been incredible so far this season. He's being over played though, he's already on almost 800 minutes this season, not being rested and we know what happens when he gets overplayed...

 

[Wilt]

And you’re supposed to not have a bias to Mourinho? Despite being named after his team’s performance against West Ham.

If a team plays total shite regardless of the opposition I’d want the manager to call them out. These players are supposedly professionals and paid ridiculous money to perform.

SAF would have exploded and rightly so.

 

[RedSky]

If a team plays total shite regardless of the opposition I’d want the manager to call them out. These players are supposedly professionals and paid ridiculous money to perform.

Fergie would have exploded and rightly so.

Its context right? Its not football manager where you can throw 11 random players on the pitch. These squad players will be rusty, they havent played together properly, they might be a bit nervous. When you make so many changes then you have to be prepared for a poor first half, it generally improves in the 2nd half when they relax a bit more and get in the swing of it. Instead he turns it into the Jose show by switching out 4 players at half time... imagine those squad players are feeling great today... he's abysmal at player management. He switches out his new striker pretty quickly in the 2nd half who desperately needs playing time for Kane who desperately needed a rest.

It's hilarious watching it all tumble down when he's not at our club.

 

[Pace Abuser]

They got all mouthy when they won against us. Glad to see them back where they belong.

This is a club that came third in a two horse race and celebrated it.
Their time with Jose is going exactly how it went with us. It's uncanny.

 

[Judas]

I am baffled to see Spurs fans on here who lived through his time with us on here still falling for the same old same crap from him. It's amazing really, he's so convincing.

 

[Chipper]

This loss is a storm in a teacup: a one-off. We had the same hysterics on here over their loss to Everton and his subsequent reaction to that defeat which was much more insulting to the club and the fans than anything he said yesterday. Fast forward 3 weeks, and they were battering us 6-1 at Old Trafford, as well as getting past Chelsea in the EFL Cup.

They'll bounce back again and get back in form, I'm sure of it. They most likely don't have enough in them to be properly challenging, but they'll make a much better fist of the Top 4 race than they did last year.

His comments are much more interesting than the result.

That was probably their hardest group stage game on paper, the fixture schedule is ridiculously hectic, they make a quite a few changes for the match and have what looks like quite an easy group overall. We lost 2 away group games the season we won it, you can almost throw these matches and it doesn't matter so I too wouldn't read that much into such a result. Would be very surprised if they don't go through.

I won't go as far as saying they will bounce back because I'm not psychic but as match/result that was nothing for anyone to get worked up over so I've no idea why Mourinho is. That is strange.

 

[AngeloHenriquez]

I am baffled to see Spurs fans on here who lived through his time with us on here still falling for the same old same crap from him. It's amazing really, he's so convincing.

Think it's more you defend your own, whether right or wrong.

Their second string of players are good enough to beat who they played last night, they are playing badly but it is coupled with the fact that they aren't being given enough other opportunities, 1 or 2 at a time to play with the first team, get into some good form, he is as much to blame as their players.

 

[Wilt]

Its context right? Its not football manager where you can throw 11 random players on the pitch. These squad players will be rusty, they havent played together properly, they might be a bit nervous. When you make so many changes then you have to be prepared for a poor first half, it generally improves in the 2nd half when they relax a bit more and get in the swing of it. Instead he turns it into the Jose show by switching out 4 players at half time... imagine those squad players are feeling great today... he's abysmal at player management. He switches out his new striker pretty quickly in the 2nd half who desperately needs playing time for Kane who desperately needed a rest.

It's hilarious watching it all tumble down when he's not at our club.

It’s not like they’re strangers though, they train with each other every day. Whether it’s Mourinho or any other manager I’d want to see players called out when they perform shite.

Mourinho loves to piss people off, me included, but don’t put too much money on him never winning silverware again.

 

[RedSky]

It’s not like they’re strangers though, they train with each other every day. Whether it’s Mourinho or any other manager I’d want to see players called out when they perform shite.

Mourinho loves to piss people off, me included, but don’t put too much money on him never winning silverware again.

It's just simply not the same experience, training with your mates to playing a competitive game. 3 of these guys were his new signings too who've just come to the club. What the feck does he expect? That they all jump on the pitch and play like the first team, if Ole did this, our fans would blast him.

 

[DWelbz19]

Mourinho recycling his quotes from us:

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and after we lost to Valencia

He was sacked a week later, and the players he trashed - mainly Rashford and Martial - have thrived without him.

Classic.

 

[roonster09]

It’s not like they’re strangers though, they train with each other every day. Whether it’s Mourinho or any other manager I’d want to see players called out when they perform shite.

Mourinho loves to piss people off, me included, but don’t put too much money on him never winning silverware again.

So when the team plays well and wins trophies, he comes up with "I won CL" "I won PL" "Respect Respect Respect" but when team plays poorly, players should be criticized in the press conference?

 

[Untd55]

Disgusting usual behaviour by Jose. The reason he’s been an overall failure is because he is not interested in ever building a SQUAD. His only focus is a XI which obviously causes a lot of tension in his teams. That’s why he never lasts past 3 seasons.

How has a manager who has won two champions league titles and league titles in every single country he has managed in been an 'overall failure'? I get it that people absolutely hate Mourinho -albeit, I think it is odd that people take it so personally-but stuff like this is just drivel.

They were poor, but people were talking about knee-jerking about Solskjaer. They have played well in the league overall.

 

[Deery]

His man management is shocking for a top coach, glad he isn’t here anymore but he is fun to watch at Spurs. Hope he crashes and burns..

 

[Judas]

His man management style is just a dated approach toxic to modern footballers. At one point of time it worked wonders, but now, it just isn't anywhere near as impactful.

 

[Wilt]

It's just simply not the same experience, training with your mates to playing a competitive game. 3 of these guys were his new signings too who've just come to the club. What the feck does he expect? That they all jump on the pitch and play like the first team, if Ole did this, our fans would blast him.

Yeah I get that. Despite their inexperience, Mourinho thought he’d test a few out in a game he obviously thought he’d win. But he got he wrong, although now he’s wiser. And perhaps those who failed will benefit In the long run, sometimes a loss can be a win.

Incidentally, Spurs have never beaten a Belgian team on Belgian soil, and so it remains

 

[UncleBob]

You think guys like Dele performed well enough to prove they should be first choice? I certainly don't. He said prior to the match that this was a game for guys outside the first eleven to grab the opportunity with both hands. They completely failed to do that.

I don't think anyone is arguing that it's incorrect to point out that they failed to take their chances. Nor is it incorrect to point out that Mourinho has a long history of throwing players under the bus just to prove a point, and that, essentially, ripping players a new one after a poor performance could have negative long term consequences. He's always had one set of rules for players he likes and another set of rules for players he isn't comfortable with, differential treatment is rarely a road to long term success.

 

[rotherham_red]

Yeah but Jose is still a petulant cnut.

Oh yeah, absolutely, don't get me wrong I'm certainly no Jose acolyte. I detested the man towards the end of his time here, and genuinely thought he brought forward his 3rd season meltdown in to his first 6 months in the job last season.

But he and Spurs recovered and he's brought in a bunch of players who ostensibly at least, are suited to how he wants to play. Having two elite-level attackers in Kane and Son also certainly helps!

That experience of last year, and the subsequent recovery has given me pause for thought this time with Jose.

In addition, Levy seems to have found the manager who warms his cold, dead heart in Jose so I don't know if he'll have quite as itchy a finger as he usually does when these aberrations or bad runs of form happen.

 

[rotherham_red]

Their early form is tailing off a bit, the West Ham result has dented their confidence. Feels like Kane is carrying them right now, he's been incredible so far this season. He's being over played though, he's already on almost 800 minutes this season, not being rested and we know what happens when he gets overplayed...

Tbh, Kane, Eriksen, and Son (and Moura to an extent) have carried them at various points since Poch arrived. That is Spurs in a nutshell: functional and pretty pedestrian in the first two phases of the pitch. Deadly in the last.

They've brought in Vinicius to provide that alternative and competition to Kane, so I think we'll be seeing more rests for him moving forwards (though maybe not if last night was anything to go by )

 

[rotherham_red]

His comments are much more interesting than the result.

That was probably their hardest group stage game on paper, the fixture schedule is ridiculously hectic, they make a quite a few changes for the match and have what looks like quite an easy group overall. We lost 2 away group games the season we won it, you can almost throw these matches and it doesn't matter so I too wouldn't read that much into such a result. Would be very surprised if they don't go through.

I won't go as far as saying they will bounce back because I'm not psychic but as match/result that was nothing for anyone to get worked up over so I've no idea why Mourinho is. That is strange.

That's a fair point, but equally, I think Jose has said worse (after the Everton loss) and even last season when he had that tough run of results, speaking patronisingly about the club as if it was, well, Rotherham Utd.

 

[Wilt]

So when the team plays well and wins trophies, he comes up with "I won CL" "I won PL" "Respect Respect Respect" but when team plays poorly, players should be criticized in the press conference?

Yeah but that’s Mourinho for you. He’s a wind up specialist. Truth is he’s a lot smarter than most people give him credit for, everything he says is premeditated, hence the long pause before answering questions. I’m always on the side of professionals should be called out when they perform poorly, regardless of who the manager is.

Yes he’s a fecker and lost some of his mojo, but all I’m saying is don’t underestimate him.

 

[Scroto Baggins]

Tbh, Kane, Eriksen, and Son (and Moura to an extent) have carried them at various points since Poch arrived. That is Spurs in a nutshell: functional and pretty pedestrian in the first two phases of the pitch. Deadly in the last.

They've brought in Vinicius to provide that alternative and competition to Kane, so I think we'll be seeing more rests for him moving forwards (though maybe not if last night was anything to go by )

The problems for Spurs are mostly the fact these players havnt seen a lot of football, Vinicius just arrived and cannot speak a word of English, Lo Celso just returning after a long injury lay off, he was Spurs best player toward the end of last season. Not sure what is up with Alli, seems off in lala land, maybe the PSG move not eventuating has affected him? Bergwijn was just an odd signing in general, they needed a backup striker for Kane and went out and bought Bergwijn, in a position where they didnt really need re-enforcements. I guess he is better than that other guy they had who played twice and they sold, N'jee or w/e his name was.

 

[roonster09]

Yeah but that’s Mourinho for you. He’s a wind up specialist. Truth is he’s a lot smarter than most people give him credit for, everything he says is premeditated, hence the long pause before answering questions. I’m always on the side of professionals should be called out when they perform poorly, regardless of who the manager is.

Yes he’s a fecker and lost some of his mojo, but all I’m saying is don’t underestimate him.

So it only makes sense to call out manager too, thats something people here are doing?

If the team played so shit (all of them) then maybe he should check how poor his preparation was for this game.

 

[Stacks]

He is 100% right though

You think guys like Dele performed well enough to prove they should be first choice? I certainly don't. He said prior to the match that this was a game for guys outside the first eleven to grab the opportunity with both hands. They completely failed to do that.

He gave them a chance tonight to prove themselves. What more can he do? The players tonight were utterly shite in that first half yet im expected to ignore that and blame the manager? These guys should be playing out of their skin to try and get into the team.

The one thing that annoyed me every time with Mourinho was that whenever he would so generously let these talented fringe players a have chance, he would completely setup for failure in those games. It would look like 11 men just thrown in without a plan or any real formation or tactics.

Best chance for Alli to come back into form is if he plays alongside Kane and Son and not some golfer imported from Spain. It’s self-fulfilling and designed to make Mourinho look good and for players to look bad.

So back up players get "one chance" to prove themselves, mostly playing with lesser talented players and everyone else gets to play themselves into form.

 

[tomaldinho1]

I am baffled to see Spurs fans on here who lived through his time with us on here still falling for the same old same crap from him. It's amazing really, he's so convincing.

This is what's most weird to me. Same antics but fans still falling for it. He's clearly a decent coach, he's got a great trophy cabinet but people still fall for his pushing of agendas that deflect from his poor choices.

Essentially what has happened is the whole team didn't really perform and got well beaten by a team that shouldn't be anywhere near their level but he simply can't just say 'my fault' and leave it at that. There's always an agenda, for example, he's now saying 'it's my fault BUT that's why I don't start those players' and fans don't even think about how unfair that is on the players he is singling out. He put out a team with players who had no match rhythm and, because of the changes, it would have been incredibly difficult for them to just perform as a team from the get go. It's the same with how he treated some of our attacking players - Martial would be benched for ages then get a start and if he didn't play well, which is so difficult when you've been frozen out, he'd be benched again. This is a player who scored 23 goals for us last season.

 

[TrustInJanuzaj]

Loads of predictable comments on the (I hate) Jose Mourinho thread

If you don’t hate him you aren’t really a proper Manchester Utd fan in my eyes. Yeh guy was a cancer at this club and it’s only thanks to the fantastic job Ole has done that we have recovered and now look a serious team.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

If you don’t hate him you aren’t really a proper Manchester Utd fan in my eyes. Yeh guy was a cancer at this club and it’s only thanks to the fantastic job Ole has done that we have recovered and now look a serious team.

Not his biggest fan, far from it, but that's a bit much.

 

[Wilt]

So it only makes sense to call out manager too, thats something people here are doing?

If the team played so shit (all of them) then maybe he should check how poor his preparation was for this game.

Yeah I agree, of course people are entitled to call out the manager when he fecks up, the manager is a professional too.

In the case of Mourinho, most people think he’s finished, but I’ve a feeling he isn’t.

 

[TrustInJanuzaj]

Not his biggest fan, far from it, but that's a bit much.

Nah I can’t stand him, he’s a self serving, arrogant tool who things the world revolves around him and for many of his cult I think they believe it too. The truth is he’s shot, and the game has long passed him by but he’s too narcissistic to see it. I stand by Spurs won’t achieve anything under him and a decent start doesn’t change that fact.

 

[Posh Red]

Not his biggest fan, far from it, but that's a bit much.

 

[No Idea For Nickname]

Not his biggest fan, far from it, but that's a bit much.

 

[balaks]

So back up players get "one chance" to prove themselves, mostly playing with lesser talented players and everyone else gets to play themselves into form.

Obviously not - he sees them every day in training..... They get the chance to prove themselves every single day. Not sure if you are being deliberately a bit silly just to make a point or whether you genuinely don't know that.

 

[RedSky]

Nah I can’t stand him, he’s a self serving, arrogant tool who things the world revolves around him and for many of his cult I think they believe it too. The truth is he’s shot, and the game has long passed him by but he’s too narcissistic to see it. I stand by Spurs won’t achieve anything under him and a decent start doesn’t change that fact.

Preach it brother. I'm of the same opinion, just a matter of time before it all falls to pieces, the fingers are being waved about already. We're 4/5 months ahead of schedule with this latest Jose fallout. Which means its all going to explode around Christmas.

 

[balaks]

Nah I can’t stand him, he’s a self serving, arrogant tool who things the world revolves around him and for many of his cult I think they believe it too. The truth is he’s shot, and the game has long passed him by but he’s too narcissistic to see it. I stand by Spurs won’t achieve anything under him and a decent start doesn’t change that fact.

I sincerely hope he proves you wrong.

 

[Stacks]

Obviously not - he sees them every day in training..... They get the chance to prove themselves every single day. Not sure if you are being deliberately a bit silly just to make a point or whether you genuinely don't know that.

Nah, just remember it was the same with our young players and he said they cannot play together and not taking their chances. New manager comes in and they score as much as Liverpool's front 3. He saw them in training every day. Same with Fred who is now one of our more important midfielders and got basically zero minutes under Jose. He has his favourites, end of the day.

 

[JPRouve]

Nah, just remember it was the same with our young players and he said they cannot play together and not taking their chances. New manager comes in and they score as much as Liverpool's front 3. He saw them in training every day. Same with Fred who is now one of our more important midfielders and got basically zero minutes under Jose. He has his favourites, end of the day.

And he did the same with De Bruyne which culminated with the player asking for public training sessions.

 

[balaks]

Nah, just remember it was the same with our young players and he said they cannot play together and not taking their chances. New manager comes in and they score as much as Liverpool's front 3. He saw them in training every day. Same with Fred who is now one of our more important midfielders and got basically zero minutes under Jose. He has his favourites, end of the day.

I don't really care about all that - I can only comment on my own club. So far I have no problem with what he is doing. Will I still feel this way in 6 months I have no idea.