Castia
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Sexy bastard isn’t he.
That's true.This is where I'm struggling. I can't really tell. You can level the same arguments with Ole if you want to shift it to the players, so how is Poch going to change that with the players we don't really believe in right now.
He also bought Bailey didn’t he? So he already had 2 new cb’s costing around 70mNot his problem that he decided in spend it on Lindelof or Pogba or Lukaku. Yes, he was not backed in one summer but you can't blame him for not giving a CB because he already had that the previous year. You should be willing to work with what you have. Not everyone gets what they want.
Just come of that delusional side that every manager needs a strong backing.
We should keep in mind that unlike us, all of those clubs are run with serious football people. So if they all don't bother to approach an out of job big manager then there should be some reason behind. They should know much more about the football world than us common folks I think.The fact that there is only a handful of clubs that will pay big money to managers. Barca, Bayern, City, Real, Juve are the big players really.
After that, the English clubs come in and managers know United, Chelsea and City will spend money so they can get certain players.
Poch and Allegri have been out of a job for a while now and they are the fan favourites?
I've accepted that we'd never win anything big again under those scumbags. Unless there'd be some bloody miracle. Like all the title contenders suddenly turn shite for a season. Or we strike gold, got someone better than SAF. Because imo even SAF would not survive three years under those current circumstances.There's no getting rid of the real issue. Glazers are the owners and they aren't going anywhere. The Glazers would have sacked Ed long ago if they didn't think he was doing a good job for them. What then do you propose we do when we are stuck with the real issues at the club? Are we fecked for as long as the Glazers are alive?
How the hell do you know what he'd do with United? What I do now is we are playing horribly at the moment and losing. Poch has very little pedigree to make me think he can change that. A strong boss can get what he wants from the idiots on the boardDo you not care about the style we play at all? Allegri would be a horrible choice.
And I see where you are coming from.. my worry is "intrigued" might no be the best reason to appoint someone. And it's can't be coincidence that the only place Jose did have a huge amount of success was at OT where he was stopped from getting the players he wanted. Not for one moment do I think we've moved forward since he leftI see where you are coming from, but then again LVG and Mourinho both fit that criteria. While I would definitely have Allegri over Ole, I am kind of intrigued by the idea of a hungry Pochettino stepping into the position.
Probably right about the combination of blame.That's true.
I think it's a comination of the two where United are concerned; the players and the manager sharing an equal portion of the blame for various reasons. But we haven't challenged for the league or CL title at any point post-Fergie so it's difficult to say.
Not sure about Poch and Spurs, but if his tactics were good enough to get them in a position to challenge for titles and trophies in general, I seen no reason why they wouldn't be good enough to carry them all the way.
Throw every manager under the bus? Once again I don't understand.I honestly can't believe our fanbase at times. They will throw every manager under the bus, even a former club legend, but not Ed Woodward for some bizarre reason. Fans like you deserve the Glazers and Ed Woodward.
Jesus.Do we need to sack Ole? No
Lets keep Ole for a few seasons and see, we cannot keep sacking managers all the time.
Spurs fans were calling for his head because of the position his board had put him in through constant under investment and a failure to refresh the squad. In short, they took it for granted how good they had it.I love how football fans like to change history. Roll back about 12 to 13 months and loads of Spurs fans were calling for Poch's head. They just had a really a poor start to the PL and were getting embarrassed in the CL. Bayern scored 7 on their own patch.
Not good enough for Spurs and not trusted to be the man to finally win them a trophy but he's good enough for us which is a much much tougher job???
Rather stick with Ole.
I have accepted this, does not stop me supporting the team. I have given up a long time ago. I am not interested in CL either.So yes, we're fecked mate. The sooner you accept that the better for your mental health.
You want to waste peak years of some brilliantly talented players on a manager who has been consistently inconsistent since he stepped through the door? It’s brave dedication to man who probably simply doesn’t quite have it, he’s done his bit, but I doubt there’s another level he can take this team to.Is he a good manager? Yes, surely
Do we need to sack Ole? No
Lets keep Ole for a few seasons and see, we cannot keep sacking managers all the time. I know a few in here keeps mentioning Barca/Real etc who keeps sacking managers, but I aint a fan of that approach.
We have a few problems at the club, and I dont think Ole is one of them. Atleast not yet.
Can he play centre back or right wing?The signings don't come into it. Ole has been given money and chose to buy Maguire and James .
He could have signed Partey but he didn't.
Yeah I don't stop supporting us either. Tbh now I just enjoy and be happy if we win. And stay away from the caf or come here to moan after a lost depending on the mood . Like most of the fans on this planet I guess. We're no longer in the 'we are/will be a title contender' elite bracket. As you said, we've become a club that top 4 is our target.I have accepted this, does not stop me supporting the team. I have given up a long time ago. I am not interested in CL either.
The only way things will change is if we do not finish top 4 on a consistent basis.
Well....So this is where we're at:
Max Allegri: Won trophies, but don't want because his football isn't entertaining and he's pragmatic.
Mauricio Pochettino: Plays entertaining football but hasn't won trophies so don't want.
Get a fecking grip.
Well considering he played a boring style of football at Juventus who were practically guaranteed to win the league title no matter what they did, maybe he'd chose the pragmatic approach here too?How the hell do you know what he'd do with United? What I do now is we are playing horribly at the moment and losing. Poch has very little pedigree to make me think he can change that. A strong boss can get what he wants from the idiots on the board
Nope but he can play centre mid better than all of our centre mids so....Can he play centre back or right wing?
I don't understand this logic. You go through players if they aren't quite good enough and keep striving for more. Manager is the same. Just because someone isn't Fergie doesn't mean they failed. Ole took us as far as he can. We're in a position where moving on from him to Pochettino would be beneficial as we need better coaching. Every football club changes managers regularly. We are no different, just because that's how life in sport is.Is he a good manager? Yes, surely
Do we need to sack Ole? No
Lets keep Ole for a few seasons and see, we cannot keep sacking managers all the time. I know a few in here keeps mentioning Barca/Real etc who keeps sacking managers, but I aint a fan of that approach.
We have a few problems at the club, and I dont think Ole is one of them. Atleast not yet.
Which course?Top 4 looks pretty more nailed on for Poch if you look at his record st Spurs who many class as a nearly club.
Ole going to have to take another course in coaching if he wants to be here that long or learn by his mistakes pretty quickly.
Daniel levy and Spurs have turned to Jose over Poch despite how explosive and disruptive Jose can be at a football club. Why is that?I am not a huge fan of Poch but for sure he is much better than Ole. His net spend at Spurs was around 50 million I think. That says a lot.
QFTI am not a huge fan of Poch but for sure he is much better than Ole. His net spend at Spurs was around 50 million I think. That says a lot.
Woody and the Glazers are going nowhere, so you’d rather watch us go nowhere on a football level with Ole than at least try a manager with a better ability? Isnt It a bit cutting your nose off to spite your face to stick with what we have.Daniel levy and Spurs have turned to Jose over Poch despite how explosive and disruptive Jose can be at a football club. Why is that?
I actually think Poch could be a success at United but it wouldn't be under this regime and in these circumstances.
So in this scenario you describe we would have a slightly better midfielder (debateable I’m not sure personally).Nope but he can play centre mid better than all of our centre mids so....
Sometimes you just need to get quality players in when they are available.
Not good enough for Spurs yet he was there for 5 years and took them to a CL final? You clearly have some wild delusions about how football management works. Ancelotti has been sacked, is he a shit manager? Presumably not good enough to manage Chelsea or even Napoli-level teams since they both sacked him. What an idiotic notion.I love how football fans like to change history. Roll back about 12 to 13 months and loads of Spurs fans were calling for Poch's head. They just had a really a poor start to the PL and were getting embarrassed in the CL. Bayern scored 7 on their own patch.
Not good enough for Spurs and not trusted to be the man to finally win them a trophy but he's good enough for us which is a much much tougher job???
Rather stick with Ole.
I don't think he has though. I think there's more to come from Ole and he should be afforded more time. And the majority in the vote above agree too clearly. He's done some great things that go unnoticed too.Woody and the Glazers are going nowhere, so you’d rather watch us go nowhere on a football level with Ole than at least try a manager with a better ability? Isnt It a bit cutting your nose off to spite your face to stick with what we have.
Ideal world the whole board and club gets a big shakeup, but it just isn’t happening, so why waste the players we already have on a manager who has taken us as far as he probably can.
Mourinho got most of the players he wanted in the first two years, but after those seasons I - and many - thought it wasn't going anywhere. It wasn't about lack of signings of money to spend. It was about him.And I see where you are coming from.. my worry is "intrigued" might no be the best reason to appoint someone. And it's can't be coincidence that the only place Jose did have a huge amount of success was at OT where he was stopped from getting the players he wanted. Not for one moment do I think we've moved forward since he left
Why is Poch more qualifed? He's won nothing as manager and won less than Ole as both a player and manager. Why are you so certain he's the man?Not good enough for Spurs yet he was there for 5 years and took them to a CL final? You clearly have some wild delusions about how football management works. Ancelotti has been sacked, is he a shit manager? Presumably not good enough to manage Chelsea or even Napoli-level teams since they both sacked him. What an idiotic notion.
Even if your nonsense about his record was true and it did mean Poch isn't qualified for the United job, why are we persisting with someone as underqualified as Ole, WHILE he's spending hundreds of millions and achieving nothing with it other than ceding 6 goals to teams managed by Mourinho, no less?
What’s our style of play? What sort of team are we?Why is Poch more qualifed? He's won nothing as manager and won less than Ole as both a player and manager. Why are you so certain he's the man?
Ole has done enough for me to warrant further backing. Some brilliant results in big games, two very good runs where we looked very good. This team is a work in progress.
It's not just Real or Barca. Do you see any big club in europe having this approach of 'let's give the manager a few seasons and see'? No, because a smart club doesn't need years to realise if the manager is doing a good job or not.Lets keep Ole for a few seasons and see, we cannot keep sacking managers all the time. I know a few in here keeps mentioning Barca/Real etc who keeps sacking managers, but I aint a fan of that approach.
So if Pochettino wins the CL final - a change of the result of just one match in his career - would that put him ahead of Solskjaer?Why is Poch more qualifed? He's won nothing as manager and won less than Ole as both a player and manager. Why are you so certain he's the man?
You see this is where I get annoyed with our fans. We're a very good counter attacking side that is trying to transition into a good attacking side and yes it's taking us time to adjust. It's not easy and it will take time.What’s our style of play? What sort of team are we?
I'll tell you who the real idiots are: Aberdeen, for hiring in 1978 a manager who was just sacked from St. Mirren. INot good enough for Spurs yet he was there for 5 years and took them to a CL final? You clearly have some wild delusions about how football management works. Ancelotti has been sacked, is he a shit manager? Presumably not good enough to manage Chelsea or even Napoli-level teams since they both sacked him. What an idiotic notion.
Did you do any research into Spur's CL run by any chance?So if Pochettino wins the CL final - a change of the result of just one match in his career - would that put him ahead of Solskjaer?
So.at what point would you sack Ole ?Is he a good manager? Yes, surely
Do we need to sack Ole? No
Lets keep Ole for a few seasons and see, we cannot keep sacking managers all the time. I know a few in here keeps mentioning Barca/Real etc who keeps sacking managers, but I aint a fan of that approach.
We have a few problems at the club, and I dont think Ole is one of them. Atleast not yet.
Did you see our match in the San Siro in 1999? Or the final? Or getting out of that group with four draws while beating only Brondby? That's football for you. Maybe we should have written off Ferguson for riding his luck to win it.Did you do any research into Spur's CL run by any chance?
8pts they got in the group stage. The joint lowest any team has ever qualified with.
Did you see some of their games in the knockouts? City n Ajax looked levels above them for large spells. And they got some incredibly lucky calls with VAR.
And the dippers played them off the park anyway in the final so it mattered not one bit.
I'm not certain he's the man. But I'm not going to bother explaining why he's more qualified than Ole, it's self evident. If you think a league title with Molde and getting Cardiff relegated is worth more than four out of five top four finishes with Spurs, and taking them to a CL final, you are clearly beyond the point where logic or common sense can reach you.Why is Poch more qualifed? He's won nothing as manager and won less than Ole as both a player and manager. Why are you so certain he's the man?
Ole has done enough for me to warrant further backing. Some brilliant results in big games, two very good runs where we looked very good. This team is a work in progress.