Ole's 100 games in charge of United: 55W, 21D, 24L

OleBoiii said:
Yes it is. 7 games is a small sample. And we were still "on a vacation" for the first 4 games, which makes the sample even smaller.



I'm sorry, but this may be one of the worst comparisons I've seen for a while.
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How low are your standards to accept the rubbish we've been playing in the league. Is it too early to sack Ole after 7 games ? Yes. Is it too early to complain about the poor results and performances? No. Don't lower your standards. Ex players are complaining and if Ole himself isn't worried about these results and telling the lads 'its just 7 games' then I wouldn't be surprised tbh
 
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jamesjimmybyrondean said:
Is it too early to complain about the poor results and performances? No. Don't lower your standards
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Context is important. If we had started the season on equal terms with the other teams in terms of fatigue and still only managed 7 points in 6 games, then the I'd kind of get the complaints. But this is not the truth. On top of this, we have brilliant results in Europe.
 
OleBoiii said:
We looked severely fatigued up until the Newcastle game. Also, why do you not include the big wins in the CL when judging Ole? The CL is just as important and impressive.

But even if you're the type that literally only cares about the PL: the season is way too young to freak out. We're 6 points behind the 3rd place with a game in hand for fecks sake. The only justifiable reason to freak out now would be if you genuinely think we're the best team in the league on paper.
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:lol: This nonsense again. Were fine because we're surrounded by mediocrity too. Woohoo.

The CL is "impressive" when you actually achieve something in it. Getting out of the group stages won't be an achievement for this football club. And besides cup competitions aren't the best indicator of quality everyone knows that.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
:lol: This nonsense again. Were fine because we're surrounded by mediocrity too. Woohoo.

The CL is "impressive" when you actually achieve something in it. Getting out of the group stages won't be an achievement for this football club. And besides cup competitions aren't the best indicator of quality everyone knows that.
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You're all over the place here :lol: You're basically saying that 6 isolated PL games is more than enough and totally fair when judging Ole as manager. But CL games are only valid when you win the whole tournament? Why don't you extend the same logic to the PL?

But it's good to know that if Ole goes on a 5-6 game win streak in the PL, then he'd evidently be the greatest coach in the game.
 
OleBoiii said:
You're all over the place here :lol: You're basically saying that 6 isolated PL games is more than enough and totally fair when judging Ole as manager. But CL games are only valid when you win the whole tournament? Why don't you extend the same logic to the PL?

But it's good to know that if Ole goes on a 5-6 game win streak in the PL, then he'd evidently be the greatest coach in the game.
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In fairness he specifically said getting out of the group stages, which I'd agree with. CL form has been great but it's only two games and against two teams who kept trying to attack us - it's a tired record but we are brilliant when teams commit men forward against us, when teams don't and are organised we always struggle.

You'd assume our form will have to pick up because it can't really be much worse in the PL but the real question is where is the progress from last season, what are we doing differently or better than before because it seems like we're just as disjointed. Is it realistic that we will find the consistency that's needed or will we keep doing what we have always done under Ole which is nice runs, followed by massive runs of awful results. I'm so sick of seeing the posts about 'statistically since Bruno came we're doing ok' or 'since lock down only X have scored more than us'. All that matters now is this season and so far it's been dreadful, not just in terms of PL results but in being genuinely outplayed by teams like Brighton, Arsenal, Palace, even the Newcastle win we were dire for 70mins or so. It's painfully obvious Ole's style is what we're seeing, there's no hidden magic that's yet to come aside from him just trying to buy better players (of which we already have plenty by the way).
 
SuperiorXI said:
It's not a good look to lose a quarter of your games (after only 100 games!).
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Since we signed Bruno(33 games and counting) we have won 64% of the games and lost 15%.

He inherited a bad/mediocre team and then Pogba got long-term injured. That seriously affects Ole's stats. With a decent team his stats are quite good, though.
 
OleBoiii said:
Since we signed Bruno(33 games and counting) we have won 64% of the games and lost 15%.

He inherited a bad/mediocre team and then Pogba got long-term injured. That seriously affects Ole's stats. With a decent team his stats are quite good, though.
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Even still it's his job to manage the resources he has, he should have done much better, he still had some quality players available to him that have played well in the past.
 
OleBoiii said:
Since we signed Bruno(33 games and counting) we have won 64% of the games and lost 15%.

He inherited a bad/mediocre team and then Pogba got long-term injured. That seriously affects Ole's stats. With a decent team his stats are quite good, though.
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We've played 20 league games since Bruno's signing: 11 wins, 6 draws, 3 defeats. That's 39 points in 20 games. Extrapolated to 38 games, that's a 74 point season. Which should be around the minimum expectation. His overall record in the league with us points to a 66 point season.

So there was a brief improvement with Bruno but in order to actually keep that up, we'll need to lift ourselves out of the rut very very soon because right now we look like we're on another of those terrible runs like at the end of 2018/19. Otherwise we'll regress to our usual 65-70 point mark which is just not good enough.
 
I so so wanted Ole to work out. The figures however tell a story, it's just not good enough.

I'm now all for change.
 
OleBoiii said:
You're all over the place here :lol: You're basically saying that 6 isolated PL games is more than enough and totally fair when judging Ole as manager. But CL games are only valid when you win the whole tournament? Why don't you extend the same logic to the PL?

But it's good to know that if Ole goes on a 5-6 game win streak in the PL, then he'd evidently be the greatest coach in the game.
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It's you who doesn't seem to know the head or tails on analysing any of this. The OP doesn't talk about 6 games it's about a consistently poor league record. And that has continued this season. It's appalling, his statistics are worse than Moyes. But nah, let's focus on the odd cup final (but actually group) CL wins to pretend he's doing a good job. Stick to your mediocre managers, and enjoy this mediocrity.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
So it is alright if we beat the rest of the so called Big 6 but not the rest. That would probably get us close to relegation.
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And then there's the small problem that so far this season we got a single point in three games against the so-called big 6.
 
The big 6 are only 10 games out of 38.
We have proven this season, that we can no longer rely on Ole's ability against the big 6 in the league, as they have learnt to sit back and counter.

We have also proven that Ole has a chronic problem beating the teams outside the big 6 if they sit back and counter.

I believe our win rate under Ole will get worse because premier league managers have found his kryptonite, and they will never let go. I also believe Ole is too tactically limited as a manager to turn this disadvantage of his into an advantage.

Great Lad though.
 
If we only look at the league, which I think is most important and most revealing about the team under any manager this is the record:

2018-2019
(Mourinho WLLWWDLWDWWLDDDWL) - Solskjaer WWWWWWDWWDWWLWLWLLDDL

2019-2020
WDLDWLDLDWLWDDWWDLWWLWLLDWWDWDWWWWDWDW

2020-2021 so far
LWLWDL

6 game winning streak once (Cardiff, Huddersfield, Bournemouth, Newcastle, Tottenham and Brighton starting in Dec '18)
4 game winning streak once (Chelsea, Watford, Everton and City starting in Feb '20)
Back to back wins four times (excluding the winning streaks above)
5 game winless streak once
4 game winless streak once
3 game winless streak twice
2 games without a win twice

We've really struggled to get a cluster of wins together and get on runs frequently, which is the hallmark of a top team. We are constantly turning corners.
 
He's had a few decent spells, but overall he's not done enough to convince that he's the right man for the job ("the job" being getting United back to challenging for major honours).
 
tomaldinho1 said:
That's what you build off, it's also probably the most fair/constant way to judge.

Hard to compare Moyes/LVG/Mou/Ole when you factor in all the mini cups and different European cups. Found out @RedSky is good at this stuff so he can probably explain better but I'm pretty sure Ole's stats are worst of all managers in the league but he had the good cups runs last season (question is how much credit should he get for lots of EL games versus weaker teams) which mask this issue.
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charlenefan said:
why are you only counting PL games?
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Table 1 = All Comps
Table 2 = League
​
Manager​
Games (All Comps)​
W​
D​
L​
Win %​
CS​
GF​
GA​
GD​
GSpG​
GCpG​
Moyes​
51​
27​
9​
15​
53%​
21​
86​
54​
32​
1.7​
1.1​
LVG​
103​
54​
25​
24​
52%​
39​
158​
98​
60​
1.5​
1.0​
Jose​
144​
84​
32​
28​
58%​
62​
244​
121​
123​
1.7​
0.8​
Ole​
100​
55​
21​
24​
55%​
38​
181​
100​
81​
1.8​
1.0​
​
Manager​
Games (League)​
W​
D​
L​
Win %​
CS​
GF​
GA​
GD​
GSpG​
GCpG​
Moyes​
34​
17​
6​
11​
50%​
12​
56​
40​
16​
1.6​
1.2​
LVG​
76​
39​
19​
18​
51%​
29​
111​
72​
39​
1.5​
0.9​
Jose​
93​
50​
26​
17​
54%​
38​
151​
86​
65​
1.6​
0.9​
Ole​
65​
32​
17​
16​
49%​
19​
111​
74​
37​
1.7​
1.1​

CS = Clean Sheets
GSpG = Goals Scored per Game
GCpG = Goals Conceded per Game
 
I've never felt so conflicted. If we sack Ole, is it back to the drawing board? We get a new manager in and all of a sudden we're hearing "Give him time" " Needs a few transfer windows".

This is where teams with a quality DoF and footballing structure make us look so naive. When we sack our managers, it's back to the drawing board, whereas other clubs chop and change, but still have a vision of where they want to be. It's moreso that the correct manager is the missing link, instead of the one directing everything.

One thing I know for certain is that those results aren't good enough. You can't be a top team losing once in every 4, and mixing a substantial amount of draws in there on top of that. At the same time, I can't ignore all the good work Ole has done in terms of getting the club back on track in terms of identity and culture. Our recruitment seems better, and players have improved under him (Rashford, Martial spring to mind).

I just don't get the feeling that he's ever going to be the one to lead us to titles, and I can't explain why. But at the same time, I feel like we'll look back on Ole's time as an important point for the club, a bit like Brendan Rodgers at Liverpool. The question now is whether we can find our Klopp.
 
If this wasn't Ole, the whole forum, except a couple, like we had with LvG, would want him out.

He's here by the skin of his teeth. He had 66 points last season which is a very low bar for top 4. To borrow Andy Tate's terminology, he's here on a technicality, but 66 points will not be enough this time. Only Champions League trophy will save him.
 
Not very good stats but lets see how how performance will be until January.
 
RedSky said:
Table 1 = All Comps
Table 2 = League
​
Manager​
Games (All Comps)​
W​
D​
L​
Win %​
CS​
GF​
GA​
GD​
GSpG​
GCpG​
Moyes​
51​
27​
9​
15​
53%​
21​
86​
54​
32​
1.7​
1.1​
LVG​
103​
54​
25​
24​
52%​
39​
158​
98​
60​
1.5​
1.0​
Jose​
144​
84​
32​
28​
58%​
62​
244​
121​
123​
1.7​
0.8​
Ole​
100​
55​
21​
24​
55%​
38​
181​
100​
81​
1.8​
1.0​
​
Manager​
Games (League)​
W​
D​
L​
Win %​
CS​
GF​
GA​
GD​
GSpG​
GCpG​
Moyes​
34​
17​
6​
11​
50%​
12​
56​
40​
16​
1.6​
1.2​
LVG​
76​
39​
19​
18​
51%​
29​
111​
72​
39​
1.5​
0.9​
Jose​
93​
50​
26​
17​
54%​
38​
151​
86​
65​
1.6​
0.9​
Ole​
65​
32​
17​
16​
49%​
19​
111​
74​
37​
1.7​
1.1​

CS = Clean Sheets
GSpG = Goals Scored per Game
GCpG = Goals Conceded per Game
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Considering his stats are worse than managers we have relieved of their duties this is very worrying.

49% win rate in the league is sackable form for any manager, let alone manager of United.
 
There is a lot of doom and gloom around the CAF at the moment. This might perk people up, a comparison of Ole's first 100 games to Klopp.

https://www.football365.com/news/fe...men scored four more,in their first 100 games.

Ole is comparing pretty well against the current darling.

Played: Solskjaer: 100 Klopp: 100
Won: 56 – 50
Drawn: 20 – 29
Lost: 24 – 21
Goals scored: 186 – 182
Goals conceded: 104 – 108
Points (all comps): 188 – 179
PPG (all comps): 1.88 – 1.79
Premier League points: 113 – 125
Premier League PPG: 1.74 – 1.81
Overall win percentage: 56% – 50%
 
Liverpool setting the standards for Manchester United.

Never thought I'd see the day
 
Mart1974 said:
There is a lot of doom and gloom around the CAF at the moment. This might perk people up, a comparison of Ole's first 100 games to Klopp.

https://www.football365.com/news/feature-man-utd-solskjaer-100-games-klopp-liverpool#:~:text=Solskjaer's men scored four more,in their first 100 games.

Ole is comparing pretty well against the current darling.

Played: Solskjaer: 100 Klopp: 100
Won: 56 – 50
Drawn: 20 – 29
Lost: 24 – 21
Goals scored: 186 – 182
Goals conceded: 104 – 108
Points (all comps): 188 – 179
PPG (all comps): 1.88 – 1.79
Premier League points: 113 – 125
Premier League PPG: 1.74 – 1.81
Overall win percentage: 56% – 50%
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What kind of black magic is this?
 
Wow, even Klopp used to be shite. :boring:
 
Mart1974 said:
There is a lot of doom and gloom around the CAF at the moment. This might perk people up, a comparison of Ole's first 100 games to Klopp.

https://www.football365.com/news/fe...men scored four more,in their first 100 games.

Ole is comparing pretty well against the current darling.

Played: Solskjaer: 100 Klopp: 100
Won: 56 – 50
Drawn: 20 – 29
Lost: 24 – 21
Goals scored: 186 – 182
Goals conceded: 104 – 108
Points (all comps): 188 – 179
PPG (all comps): 1.88 – 1.79
Premier League points: 113 – 125
Premier League PPG: 1.74 – 1.81
Overall win percentage: 56% – 50%
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The big difference being that you could see what Klopp was trying to implement right from the start
 
Seanus said:
Still better than SAF's first 100, just saying............
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sick of this comparison, SAF was a one in a million manager He was something special.

ole and very few other managers will EVER reach the same status. He should stick to managing in Norway or some other minor league as that’s his level and always will be.
 
dannyrhinos89 said:
sick of this comparison, SAF was a one in a million manager He was something special.

ole and very few other managers will EVER reach the same status. He should stick to managing in Norway or some other minor league as that’s his level and always will be.
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Yeah let's be honest he's only managing this club because of his ex player status
 
This has been said before, but apart from being obvious what he was trying to achieve and having spent less money than Ole in that period, crucially, Klopp had previous for developing a big side in the same way.

He was brought to Liverpool to develop a team as he had done in the past to great effect. There is no obvious plan with Ole and no prior evidence to give any credence to this theory.

We look absolutely terrible at the moment and can’t buy a win at our own ground. There is no plan and there is no evidence to fall back on.
 
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