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Why not Brendan Rodgers? I like his work at Swansea, Liverpool, Celtic, and now at Leicester.
He's far away on winning the League. And also couldn't win a single trophy in 5 years.The fact he got them there IS the impressive part.
Before Pochettino Spurs were seen as a joke team. Yes they had a few good players like Modric and Bale but they were rarely taken seriously.
After that point they became a proper team, people were actually worried by them which I've never known in 30 years.
When did Spurs last win a trophy? they were never even close to competing, he got them to the CL final ffs all this "he hasn't won" really means nothing in the grand scheme of things, is Di Matteo a better manager than Pochettino?He's far away on winning the League. And also couldn't win a single trophy in 5 years.
I don't know. Said it before that he may be better than Ole, but I'm not that convinced he'd take us back to be a top team.
Also, Klopp was a serial cup final bottler until he actually had a strong enough team to win. For me, it comes down to one simple question: would Poch make us better? Yes? Then we go for it!When did Spurs last win a trophy? they were never even close to competing, he got them to the CL final ffs all this "he hasn't won" really means nothing in the grand scheme of things, is Di Matteo a better manager than Pochettino?
If he can get Southampton playing better football than we can, then surely he can do better at a top job. He'd definitely command more respect with modern players than Solskjaer.
Lot's of random manager got their team to CL Final. Spurs were a good team before him, and he took Spurs a bit better, but that's it. There was nothing in their style that, if I were looking for a new team to support, made me in awe.When did Spurs last win a trophy? they were never even close to competing, he got them to the CL final ffs all this "he hasn't won" really means nothing in the grand scheme of things, is Di Matteo a better manager than Pochettino?
If he can get Southampton playing better football than we can, then surely he can do better at a top job. He'd definitely command more respect with modern players than Solskjaer.
Easily forgot his Domestic league trophies against all the odd? Not just once but two times. While playing attractive football style also.Also, Klopp was a serial cup final bottler until he actually had a strong enough team to win. For me, it comes down to one simple question: would Poch make us better? Yes? Then we go for it!
Who, Ole? So we should keep a manager for 10 games a season? Also, our big domestic games this season have been 2 losses and a draw (one humiliating loss).Easily forgot his Domestic wins against all the odd? Not just once but two times. While playing attractive football style also.
Well that just isn't true is it. List me what other random managers won?Lot's of random manager got their team to CL Final. Spurs were a good team before him, and he took Spurs a bit better, but that's it. There was nothing in their style that, if I were looking for a new team to support, made me in awe.
Agreed, it doesnt make any senseThis again!
WHY
I said, went to CL Final.Well that just isn't true is it. List me what other random managers won?
Not many teams play "pretty" football these days, but it's effective. Poch specialises in fitness, pressing and team work.
Our team currently have no idea how they are supposed to play, we change formation every other match and we just look lost.
Spurs under Poch always looked drilled and knew what they were doing.
Maybe because of his Liverpool links? It wouldn't worry me, I think he should be considered a top candidate. He may not want to walk away from Leicester mid-season when they're doing so well though. He is more proven than Hassenhuttl both at big clubs at in winning trophies. That's not to say we should exclude a great up and coming manager because he hasn't had those opportunities yet.Why not Brendan Rodgers? I like his work at Swansea, Liverpool, Celtic, and now at Leicester.
You're proving my point there. Who is random in that list? only Di Matteo and Avram Grant.I said, went to CL Final.
1992: Johan Cruyff (FC Barcelona) vs. Vujadin Boškov (Sampdoria) (1-0 a.e.t)
1993: Raymond Goethals (Marseille) vs. Fabio Capello (A.C. Milan) (1-0)
1994: Fabio Capello (A.C. Milan) vs. Johan Cruyff (FC Barcelona) (4-0)
1995: Louis van Gaal (Ajax) vs. Fabio Capello (A.C. Milan) (1-0)
1996: Marcello Lippi (Juventus) vs. Louis van Gaal (Ajax) (1-1 a.e.t, 4-2 penalties)
1997: Ottmar Hitzfeld (Borussia Dortmund) vs. Marcello Lippi (Juventus) (3-1)
1998: Jupp Heynckes (Real Madrid) vs. Marcello Lippi (Juventus) (1-0)
1999: Sir Alex Ferguson (Manchester United) vs. Ottmar Hitzfeld (Bayern Munich) (2-1)
2000: Vicente del Bosque (Real Madrid) vs. Héctor Cúper (Valencia CF) (3-0)
2001: Ottmar Hitzfeld (Bayern Munich) vs. Héctor Cúper (Valencia CF) (1-1 a.e.t, 5-4 penalties)
2002: Vicente del Bosque (Real Madrid) vs. Klaus Toppmöller (Bayer Leverkusen) (2-1)
2003: Carlo Ancelotti (A.C. Milan) vs. Marcello Lippi (Juventus) (0-0 a.e.t, 3-2 penalties)
2004: José Mourinho (FC Porto) vs. Didier Deschamps (A.S. Monaco) (3-0)
2005: Rafael Benitez (Liverpool) vs. Carlo Ancelotti (A.C. Milan) (3-3 a.e.t, 3-2 penalties)
2006: Frank Rijkaard (FC Barcelona) vs. Arsène Wenger (Arsenal) (2-1)
2007: Carlo Ancelotti (A.C. Milan) vs. Rafael Benitez (Liverpool) (2-1)
2008: Sir Alex Ferguson (Manchester United) vs. Avram Grant (Chelsea FC) (1-1 a.e.t, 6-5 penalties)
2009: Pep Guardiola (FC Barcelona) vs. Sir Alex Ferguson (Manchester United) (2-0)
2010: José Mourinho (Inter Milan) vs. Louis van Gaal (Bayern Munich) (2-0)
2011: Pep Guardiola (FC Barcelona) vs. Sir Alex Ferguson (Manchester United) (3-1)
2012: Roberto Di Matteo (Chelsea FC) vs. Jupp Heynckes (Bayern Munich) (1-1 a.e.t, 4-3 penalties)
2013: Jupp Heynckes (Bayern Munich) vs. Jürgen Klopp (Borussia Dortmund) (2-1)
2014: Carlo Ancelotti (Real Madrid) vs. Diego Simeone (Atlético Madrid) (4-1 a.e.t)
2015: Luis Enrique (FC Barcelona) vs. Massimilano Allegri (Juventus) (3-1)
Klopp with Dortmund, when you mentioned he's a serial choker.Who, Ole? So we should keep a manager for 10 games a season? Also, our big domestic games this season have been 2 losses and a draw (one humiliating loss).
I'd rather have a manager who is half as good as Ole in the big games but twice as good in the others - We'll end on more points (not saying that's Poch but I am saying Ole should go).
Also, winning against the odds is a one off, Liverpool used to beat us often under SAF and then proceed to finish sixth.
If he wouldn’t like to come here good for us! He can continue monitoring Ole, Zidane, Lampard, Tuchel and Arteta’s performances and continue counting the months he remains without a job.If to get United back to the glorious days: No. Basically no one would.
If to get top 4: maybe.
Problem is people take for granted that Poch would like to come here. Hasn't he had enough with the top 4 trophy at Spurs?
That wasn't my point. I don't think sticking with Ole is a good idea.If he wouldn’t like to come here good for us! He can continue monitoring Ole, Zidane, Lampard, Tuchel and Arteta’s performances and continue counting the months he remains without a job.
Ah right Football Man/Person/People got you.A CEO whose background is football not accounts. VDS and Marotta are good examples of that.
I think we are still a very attractive destination for good managers. Massive club, good transfer budget (maybe not Sheikh level good but one of the biggest in the world), very low expectations and a big portion of fanbase who feel they have to blindly support the manager no matter what. Finish comfortably TOP 4, have a decent cup run and your job is safe. You don't get that in many big clubs, if any at all.That wasn't my point. I don't think sticking with Ole is a good idea.
But tbh, any coach who is smart and serious enough about his career should stay away from us. Then, we'd end up with the ones who are not smart and serious enough. That's the problem.
We're seriously fecked.
So we keep the dude who won everything there is to win thenHe managed Spurs for 5 years. He had a chance to win any of those (CL, LC, FA, League) trophies or titles out of 20 available, but couldn't even land one.
I'm not sure that's the profile i want managing United.
Is he Russian?Poch is not the answer, but I want Oleg one too.
What you said is literally we're very attractive for the ones who like comfort zones.I think we are still a very attractive destination for good managers. Massive club, good transfer budget (maybe not Sheikh level good but one of the biggest in the world), very low expectations and a big portion of fanbase who feel they have to blindly support the manager no matter what. Finish comfortably TOP 4, have a decent cup run and your job is safe. You don't get that in many big clubs, if any at all.
Not really, if you manage to win the CL or especially PL, you would instantly become a God amongst our fans.What you said is literally we're very attractive for the ones who like comfort zones.
Problem is, very few of such are winners.
Sorry about this type.Is he Russian?
Whats his record like?
You don't get what I mean.Not really, if you manage to win the CL or especially PL, you would instantly become a God amongst our fans.
I don't get this point at all. Liverpool's board/leadership/structure/whatever you call it doesn't stop Klopp from winning stuff and they are much more money pinching than us. They just have a good coach who knows what he is doing, it's not a rocket science. We blame our "structure" because it's a very easy target and a perfect excuse for our failing managers. Our managers are being backed like pretty much no others, they definitely have a very good platform to succeed. Problem is we had 2 clueless, 1 dinosaur and 1 chasing payouts from sackings.You don't get what I mean.
The manager is the one who is largely responsible to motivate his players. If he's someone who like the comfort zones, so would his players. And you don't win big things staying in the comfort zones.
Any manager smart enough would realise it's basically impossible to win big things with our current structures, direction and leadership. Like Klopp, that fecker was really smart wasn't him.
Your made up percentages mean nothing. 90% chance we don't end up with Poch 2019 league version which was far worse than Ole this year? Based on what?I dont know. Poch have 60-70 percent chance of being the right one. He has 90 percent chance to be much better than ole.
Ole has probably 20 percent chance to turn things around. Even if he does turn this around he probably will repeat the same boom bust cycle next year.
Nothing is guaranteed. But I'll take my chance with poch. A big chance of something is still better than a small chance of something
Very good platformI don't get this point at all. Liverpool's board/leadership/structure/whatever you call it doesn't stop Klopp from winning stuff and they are much more money pinching than us. They just have a good coach who knows what he is doing, it's not a rocket science. We blame our "structure" because it's a very easy target and a perfect excuse for our failing managers. Our managers are being backed like pretty much no others, they definitely have a very good platform to succeed. Problem is we had 2 clueless, 1 dinosaur and 1 chasing payouts from sackings.
I was only joking mate, i knew it was a typo.Sorry about this type.
Proven to be not true - many top managers don't trust the people in charge of the club eg. Klopp, Ancelotti, etc.Man United - a dream job for most, if not, all managers.