Is Poch really the answer?

[dinostar77]

Yes he is. But we won't get him as he will end up at PSG or Madrid. Poch would get the best out of our squad, something Ole for whatever reason isnt doing at the moment
He's also shown can work with limited funds and can a team to CL final.

 

[Bebestation]

He has to adapt if he has to be successful here. Klopp did that. He cannot just hope to work the same formation he used at spurs and hope to be successful.

This is what I worry about as well. We dont have a striker who is in the box trying to be predatory and aerial except maybe Cavani.

We dont have purely attacking fullbacks except Telles.

Does he have the ability to fix formations and tactics to get the best out of our players like forwards who like to play with the ball at their feet and fullbacks that dont provide crosses? What about his preference for bulky midfielders like Wanyama, Sissoko, Schneiderlin and Ndombele?

The likes of Pep and Klopp have used false 9's, even inverted fullbacks and different midfielders in different patterns.

I just worry if Poch cant adapt to tactically get the best out of his squad and rather aims to build a squad that fits his ideology instead. I'm not feeling to go back to the " this is why I play Lukaku over the rest of the strikers " type comment Jose made. Poch wont probably say that but he might have his preferences that are tried to be pushed in to out squad whilst others are pushed out to accommodate.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

Not a big fan of him.

 

[steeeb]

Ole as DoF, Poch as coach. Keep McKenna in some role too.

 

[mav_9me]

Not for me. Ridiculously overhyped. His teams are soft as feck, the style of play isn't anywhere near as good as the armchair experts claim, and his big game record isn't anywhere near good enough.

Get Hasenhuttl or Rose before City/Pool get their filthy hands on them and leave us further behind than we already are.

I like Poch but he is a pragmatic coach.

The team I am most envious of is Bayern. Look how well they are coached, how well they press.

Hasenhuttl or Rose can coach pressing and get us better set up.

Unfortunately after that, we will be hamstrung by our owners.

 

[hobbers]

Ole as DoF, Poch as coach. Keep McKenna in some role too.

This again!

WHY

 

[el3mel]

Do people really still think we are going to hire a DoF, be it Ole or not? We aren't getting one, period.

 

[hobbers]

Poch could be the answer. He might not be the answer.

I'd want us to really look at all the possible managers out there after Ole leaves. We should look at Poch, look at less popular options like Allegri, look at the hipster options like Rose and Nagelsmann. Speak to them all and make an informed choice for once.

But even if we didnt do that and just went straight to hiring Poch... I'd rather twist with a risk than stick with a confirmed failure.

 

[drunkmonkmeth]

I dunno if poch isnthe answer but i know ole is not and never will be

 

[steeeb]

This again!

WHY

I think he understands what a United should be and the qualities needed. Assuming if we do want a DoF that would open the door for the DoF to be able to bring those players in.

 

[pratyush_utd]

Question should be "is Ole the best we could do"?

 

[hobbers]

I think he understands what a United should be and the qualities needed. Assuming if we do want a DoF that would open the door for the DoF to be able to bring those players in.

I don't think he has much of an idea to be honest. Do Maguire and AWB and James really look like cookie-cutter United players to you?

Does Ole have contacts with the CEOs, chief negotiators and DoFs of other clubs? No. He has none. Does Ole have contacts with agents, other than his dodgy Norweigan pal? No. He has none. Has Ole got any experience in hiring managers? No. Has Ole got any experience in negotiating player contracts? No.

He has the qualifications and the experience to be a football manager, albeit not a very good one. He has no qualifications or experience of being a technical director or DoF, so why on gods green earth would we give him a massively important learn-on-the-job role like that? Are we just turning into a charity for keeping ex-United players in work? Why would we reward his massive failure as a manager with a promotion? What top or aspiring-to-be-top manager on the planet would want to work here with Ole as their superior?

 

[Roboc7]

I don't think he has much of an idea to be honest. Do Maguire and AWB and James really look like cookie-cutter United players to you?

Does Ole have contacts with the CEOs, chief negotiators and DoFs of other clubs? No. He has none. Does Ole have contacts with agents, other than his dodgy Norweigan pal? No. He has none. Has Ole got any experience in hiring managers? No. Has Ole got any experience in negotiating player contracts? No.

He has the qualifications and the experience to be a football manager, albeit not a very good one. He has no qualifications or experience of being a technical director or DoF, so why on gods green earth would we give him a massively important learn-on-the-job role like that? Are we just turning into a charity for keeping ex-United players in work? Why would we reward his massive failure as a manager with a promotion? What top or aspiring-to-be-top manager on the planet would want to work here with Ole as their superior?

Exactly why Ole should never be moved to DOF, it’s a job he is even less qualified to do, can only assume this idea of moving him upstairs is driven by sentiment.

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

Posted this is the other Poch thread but will post it here too.

It seems like what United fans want is a manager who ticks these 3 boxes

1. Plays attractive attacking football
2. Proven trophy winner
3. Has an identity in play style and the influence of their coaching can clearly be seen in games

The problem is, who actually satisfies that criteria? Klopp and Pep. Everyone else we appoint will get slaughtered for either playing shit football or never winning a trophy.

For once I just want a manager who improves teams with his coaching rather than relying on the cheque book and gets the best from his squad. Poch fits the bill for me from what I've seen from Southampton and Spurs.

For me it isn't just about good coaching. We need coach that can create winners or winners mentality. Poch has proven he can't

 

[Amadaeus]

He is because I m barely ever wrong. This is a long time coming and pochettino is the one to return us to glory. He will revolutionized United more so than he did with Spurs and Southampton, especially with our resource.

 

[Bobcat]

Not for me. Ridiculously overhyped. His teams are soft as feck, the style of play isn't anywhere near as good as the armchair experts claim, and his big game record isn't anywhere near good enough.

Get Hasenhuttl or Rose before City/Pool get their filthy hands on them and leave us further behind than we already are.

Seconded. Also, people tend to forget that the Spurs squad 2014-2020 was bloody good, despite their limited net spend. Much rather trade Woody with Levy tbh

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

He is because I m barely ever wrong. This is a long time coming and pochettino is the one to return us to glory. He will revolutionized United more so than he did with Spurs and Southampton, especially with our resource.

I beg of you. When Poch is eventually hired don't go to all his threads protecting him after every loss and creating whoop whoop threads after a victory

 

[amolbhatia50k]

He is because I m barely ever wrong. This is a long time coming and pochettino is the one to return us to glory. He will revolutionized United more so than he did with Spurs and Southampton, especially with our resource.

It's time someone asked - why are you such a gigantic fan of Pochettino?

 

[croadyman]

Poch could be the answer. He might not be the answer.

I'd want us to really look at all the possible managers out there after Ole leaves. We should look at Poch, look at less popular options like Allegri, look at the hipster options like Rose and Nagelsmann. Speak to them all and make an informed choice for once.

But even if we didnt do that and just went straight to hiring Poch... I'd rather twist with a risk than stick with a confirmed failure.

We should do that but just remember that clown Woody said the same thing would happen when Jose got sacked and it never materialised

 

[kouroux]

I think he understands what a United should be and the qualities needed. Assuming if we do want a DoF that would open the door for the DoF to be able to bring those players in.

Bro, you have an entire forum of people here who understand what a Utd player should be and the qualities needed Man Utd isn't supposed to be an internship where you learn things on the fly.

 

[devilish]

In my opinion he's not the answer. He's a better option to Ole but he's not the answer. United will only recover once we've got a board who actually understand football. That include a DOF, a head of recruitment and possibly a football CEO.

 

[Isotope]

He managed Spurs for 5 years. He had a chance to win any of those (CL, LC, FA, League) trophies or titles out of 20 available, but couldn't even land one.

I'm not sure that's the profile i want managing United.

 

[Son]

Can we just take any good manager at this point? How have Everton for example got an all time great like Carlo Ancotti and we have Ole? it’s kinda funny.

Who honestly cares who it is. Poch, Alegri whoever please & bring some coaches with them too.

 

[Son]

He is because I m barely ever wrong. This is a long time coming and pochettino is the one to return us to glory. He will revolutionized United more so than he did with Spurs and Southampton, especially with our resource.

This isn’t happening but he’s better than what we have so we will go with it.

We don’t have the board or ambition to revolutionise anything like you say. Our resources don’t go that far either. We have to pay a lot more for players than most clubs and we offer large wages to everyone.

 

[hobbers]

He managed Spurs for 5 years. He had a chance to win any of those (CL, LC, FA, League) trophies or titles out of 20 available, but couldn't even land one.

I'm not sure that's the profile i want managing United.

Right whereas if Guardiola or Klopp or Mourinho had gone to Spurs in 2014 they would definitely have landed a major title in 5 years..........

There are things to doubt about Poch but "not winning a league or CL title with SPURS" is not one of them.

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

Right whereas if Guardiola or Klopp or Mourinho had gone to Spurs in 2014 they would definitely have landed a major title in 5 years..........

There are things to doubt about Poch but "not winning a league or CL title with SPURS" is not one of them.

I think if Pep or Klopp got Tottenham to the semi finals or finals of cups or challenging for the title they would have won it. Credit to Poch for getting Tottenham to that level but he bottled his chances every time

 

[He'sRaldo]

Issue with Poch is he often hid behind the status of Tottenham whenever talk of trophies came up. At Utd, there's no hiding place.

He should have been less naive and really gone for it at Spurs, so that at least when he got to a big club he'd have had a bit more breathing room. Now if he comes he'll have to prove himself asap and won't get the same patience as a more decorated manager would.

 

[Andycoleno9]

Ole is not an answer.
Are Poch, Pep, Tuchel, Klopp or Slaven Bilic answer, we can't know. Time will tell. Now, we must go with Poch. If he fails, we will hire another manager then another and then another. Until we find right one. Exactly how all clubs in the world do

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

What’s the alternative? Since Fergie left we have never appointed a single manager with a modern forward thinking philosophy who has a clear history of implementing a system and improving players.
Nagelsman, Poch, both have that and are much less of a risk than Ole ever was.
There’s no guaranteed Jörgen Klopp type out there who has a history of winning trophies and implementing a modern style.

 

[Judas]

So many of the "GET POCH IN!" crowd will be first ones moaning at him and his football. He's not the one, but he'll be hired anyway.

 

[Lowkey]

o, its the united cycle:
1. new manager comes in - gets europa that season. Board spends over the top price for players because we dont have champions league draw.
2. season 2 - manager manages to somehow get a top 4 finish and says many times, we got lucky and we need to improve get some new recruitments in over somehow.
3. Linked with every hot shit player at the time over the summer and end up recruiting 1-2 players that the manager does not want because woodward fails miserably. get laughed at from clubs who we attempt to do business with.
4. season 3 - sh*t start to the season. players dont want it and are losers. manager gets sacked either just before january or at the international break.

rinse and repeat (y) - yayyyy

 

[Strelok]

If to get United back to the glorious days: No. Basically no one would.

If to get top 4: maybe.

Problem is people take for granted that Poch would like to come here. Hasn't he had enough with the top 4 trophy at Spurs?

 

[He'sRaldo]

Ole is not an answer.
Are Poch, Pep, Tuchel, Klopp or Slaven Bilic answer, we can't know. Time will tell. Now, we must go with Poch. If he fails, we will hire another manager then another and then another. Until we find right one. Exactly how all clubs in the world do

The interesting thing will be the manager who finally wins the league for us again. If he struggles in the next season, will we replace him swiftly like Leicester did, or will he have gotten a lifetime contract for the league win?

 

[Pep's Suit]

He is. But you need a DoF as well + get rid of underperforming big-name players and deadwood.

 

[Oldyella]

Not sure if Poch is the answer, he would do better than Ole but I would rather we went with someone out of leftfield tbh. We have gone for safe choices and none of them have worked, let's take a punt on. I would be tempted to go for the guy at Southampton who's name I cant spell, feck it, let's go for a long shot.

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

A DOF (good one) is the answer. Till then we just have to hope we stumble upon the right manager

 

[stevoc]

In my opinion he's not the answer. He's a better option to Ole but he's not the answer. United will only recover once we've got a board who actually understand football. That include a DOF, a head of recruitment and possibly a football CEO.

What exactly is a football CEO?

 

[devilish]

What exactly is a football CEO?

A CEO whose background is football not accounts. VDS and Marotta are good examples of that.

 

[Adam-Utd]

He managed Spurs for 5 years. He had a chance to win any of those (CL, LC, FA, League) trophies or titles out of 20 available, but couldn't even land one.

I'm not sure that's the profile i want managing United.

The fact he got them there IS the impressive part.

Before Pochettino Spurs were seen as a joke team. Yes they had a few good players like Modric and Bale but they were rarely taken seriously.

After that point they became a proper team, people were actually worried by them which I've never known in 30 years.

 

[Micky Targaryen]

Do we only get to sack Ole only when we found the “answer”? And how do we even know whether our next manager is the answer or not til we’ve tried him? What I do know is Poch is definitely a better and more consistent manager than Ole and is most definitely and upgrade. The only way is up from here. Poch is as much an answer (and not) as Nagelsmann or Rose or Allegri or any other flavour of the month manager.