The club can't afford to have no Champions League money next season with the covid uncertainty, he will get sacked soon
D-Day for Ole Saturday Nov 7th.
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It's a strange one. A defeat is actually better for us in the long term.
At the end of Mourinho's tenure, I was cursing him for beating Juventus away (despite playing poorly), the 90th minute winner against Young Boys, and even the late winner a few weeks earlier against Newcastle at OT. Three 90th minute goals.
While it we'd great to see the players still fighting to the death while underperforming, you just knew it was unsustainable and was only prolonging the inevitable. Funnily enough, Martial was red hot during this time. The very player he had ridiculed was almost single handedly saving him. Also, Gary Neville's rant helped keep him around a bit longer than he probably should have.
With Ole, I feel like the band-aid needs to be ripped off. A win is only continuing this constant boom-bust cycle under his management.
At the end of Mourinho's tenure, I was cursing him for beating Juventus away (despite playing poorly), the 90th minute winner against Young Boys, and even the late winner a few weeks earlier against Newcastle at OT. Three 90th minute goals.
While it we'd great to see the players still fighting to the death while underperforming, you just knew it was unsustainable and was only prolonging the inevitable. Funnily enough, Martial was red hot during this time. The very player he had ridiculed was almost single handedly saving him. Also, Gary Neville's rant helped keep him around a bit longer than he probably should have.
With Ole, I feel like the band-aid needs to be ripped off. A win is only continuing this constant boom-bust cycle under his management.
Yep. We beat Everton & look great. Everyone gets hyped, we talk about “turning a corner” then we draw 0-0 with West Brom & move back to square 1.
Ole's last real test
Sack him before Everton game. Then batter the toffees!
Win win
Win win
Would you take a defeat here if you knew Ole would get the bullet if we lost
This isn't said enough. We won't risk the chance of not having CL, no chance we wait till it's mathematically impossible.
He hasn't really got us playing well for whole games, just a short spell in games that get him a good result now and again. He has had some outstanding results which have covered over the performances.
Bizarre post
This season it looks like not many players have improved at all, especially the players he has bought, such as maguire. His already ruining VDB, Pogba has been terrible and so many players are still inconsistent.
Most of the caf said last year we ain't good enough, Ole did well at the end but hugely benefitted from a lockdown and the lesser teams struggled. 3rd place finish was NEVER an accurate picture of how good we were, but financially a good outcome.
And finally, it's not after few PL we want him gone, I didn't want him in the first place and by the end of last summer I knew he wasn't good enough.
Why can't fans see that he just isn't a good manager and coach?
If you were to ask any PL teams on who will take Ole, none would. That says everything.
Whether you want Ole sacked or not, a little perspective is needed. Just a week ago we were on a high having beaten the CL finalist and semi finalist comfortably.
Beat Everton, WBA and the Turkish team at OT, the whole narrative will change again. I think Ole himself put it best last night, "Nothing becomes history quicker than a game of football".
Beat Everton, WBA and the Turkish team at OT, the whole narrative will change again. I think Ole himself put it best last night, "Nothing becomes history quicker than a game of football".
The frustrating thing about this team is we will definitely beat Everton, then maybe even go on a run before the same shit happens again. There's no way we'll ever finish in 15th but we'll yo-yo up and down and probably finish in Europa or scrape into the CL - the issue will be that we'll remain lightyears from the top teams.
We won't win all three, feel pretty confident in saying that.
Yeah he was hanging by a thread before Spurs and Man City games last December
Saturday definitely is not D-Day but the fact they are as likely to lose 6-1 as they are to win 5-0 is a bit of craic.
He shouldn't even make Saturday. He shouldn't even have made yesterday and many matches before as it was clear even last year that he is not the right man to manage this club. He is still here though and I fear no matter the result on Saturday he will be here afterwards too.
He is perfect for the Glazers as long as he keeps us in the CL. Never speaks out against them or actually anyone. Seems a nice guy and is a United legend so fans are reluctant to raise the voices against him.
Until it's mathematically possible to play CL next year and collect CL money he'll be safe under the Glazers
He is perfect for the Glazers as long as he keeps us in the CL. Never speaks out against them or actually anyone. Seems a nice guy and is a United legend so fans are reluctant to raise the voices against him.
Until it's mathematically possible to play CL next year and collect CL money he'll be safe under the Glazers
He will not get another two seasons mate these aren't Fergie times
I can see him surviving this, but then going around December.
Poch probably comes in, has us mostly playing well, but missing out on CL as the team run out of steam towards the end.
He gets about 3-4 players and we get CL next season.
Then Poch will want / need 3/4 players to round up the squad to challenge, but instead we get alternatives and still have holes in the squad and then Poch starts the season poor and there are calls for him to go.
Poch probably comes in, has us mostly playing well, but missing out on CL as the team run out of steam towards the end.
He gets about 3-4 players and we get CL next season.
Then Poch will want / need 3/4 players to round up the squad to challenge, but instead we get alternatives and still have holes in the squad and then Poch starts the season poor and there are calls for him to go.
Hard to tell anymore whats a wum and what's not.
Confirmed after this thread that we will defeat Everton and it will be a big win.
I hope you do!I'll quote you on this one.
It's easy to say that since there's only upsides to being wrong.
I mean, it would be better long term for the club yes, but I don’t think I could ever root for us to lose, no.
I remember not being devastated we lost to Everton in 2014 as it was the nail in Moyes coffin. Last night felt like Ole’s own Olympiakos. But no, I still hope we win.
That's the spirit!!
It's not a case of not caring when we lose or wanting it to happen, but after awhile when the end is near for a manager you become numb to it, I do, because the bad results are expected. I've been this way with Ole when we lose for too long purely because our bad runs of form happen so often under him.
He should get this season and I think he will get this season at least. I’ll review when it finishes.
Who would have you got in then when Mourinho left?
Would be madness to do it beforehand. Let Solskjaer take the almost inevitable loss and sack him. Then hope the international break and home game against West Brom can provide us with some kind of reset.
Also, exile Pogba like Arsenal are doing with Ozil.
Woodward gave him time and lot of good words in press, in last two years, I doubt he'll get a sack this year... but then again, you look at the table and you want to laugh.
I mean we are expected to defeat WBA and Istanbul at home. Hardly manager future defining games if you asked me.
If I were Ole, here's what I would say to my bosses to keep me in the job.
Last year I had us hovering in the bottom half of the table. Many thought we'd be in the relegation zone, yet I managed to get us 3rd place.
So, based on this year's results so far, I think I am on course for a similar league finish.
If you get rid of me and hire someone else, they probably won't get you 3rd place....but I know how to get 3rd.
My take on this is that even if we concede 10 goals, Ole still won't be fired.
Last year I had us hovering in the bottom half of the table. Many thought we'd be in the relegation zone, yet I managed to get us 3rd place.
So, based on this year's results so far, I think I am on course for a similar league finish.
If you get rid of me and hire someone else, they probably won't get you 3rd place....but I know how to get 3rd.
My take on this is that even if we concede 10 goals, Ole still won't be fired.
I feel the pressure is starting to build on him, not that I necessarily agree with that, and it does feel like a bit of a make or break moment in the season. However it wouldn't surprise me at all to see us get a reaction here and win and see the team pick up a bit again after the international break. So I wouldn't be writing him off that easily. Also, even if we did lose (hopefully not) I'm not sure our owners would be proactive enough to get rid. I was surprised when Mourinho went as early in the season as he did, but typically we've waited until towards the end of the season when qualification for the Champions League was no longer possible. This is even earlier than Jose, so I personally don't see it this upcoming much to the disappointment of large sections of the Caf I think.
The buck stops at the board. They don’t care who’s in charge or where we finish as long as Manchester United the brand keep making profit.
It’s not Oles fault he’s inexperienced and absolutely useless at tactics and motivation etc, its the boards fault in thinking a few wins during the caretaker period warranted a big contract.
Part of what Keane said is correct, these players will throw any manager under the bus, and he’s correct.
If I was an incoming manager I would rebuild(again) using;
Henderson
AWB
Maguire
Telles
VDB
Fernandes
Rashford
Greenwood
the rest are constantly under performing and can go piss up a rope for all I care.
It’s not Oles fault he’s inexperienced and absolutely useless at tactics and motivation etc, its the boards fault in thinking a few wins during the caretaker period warranted a big contract.
Part of what Keane said is correct, these players will throw any manager under the bus, and he’s correct.
If I was an incoming manager I would rebuild(again) using;
Henderson
AWB
Maguire
Telles
VDB
Fernandes
Rashford
Greenwood
the rest are constantly under performing and can go piss up a rope for all I care.
That's the point I'm trying to make though. After the CL groups were drawn, if you were told we'd be top of our group with 6 points in 3 games, would you have called for the manager to be sacked?
We have 7 points from 6 games in the league. Last year in those corresponding fixtures we had 10 points. Is a deficit of 3 points enough for the manager to be sacked?
To put in perspective, if we beat Everton and City beat Pool, we'll be 6 points behind Liverpool with a game in hand, likely 7 points off the top with a game in hand. Is this position enough for the manager to be sacked?
If performances are your barometer for judging the manager, then for the shambolic performances last night and against Spurs, we have pretty good performances against PSG and Leipzig.
I'm not someone who posts a lot in those Ole out/in threads, but I did want to post here that a little bit of perspective is necessary. If you go into it thinking the manager must be sacked or must be kept, you'll lose perspective. For what it's worth, personally, I don't think we ought to sacking Ole just yet.
Ole ain't getting the sack if we lose against Everton, unless it's an embarassing result. However, if we lose.against West Brom, Ole is done. Genus on borrowed time now. I feel that all news that Poch has been approached is pure speculation at this point in time.
My only concern with this approach (sacking Ole) is we will have write of this season, which probably should have been the one where we close the gap on Liverpool and City and go deep into the Champions league, which is frustrating.
How many more seasons must we write-off to challenge for title? #GlazersOut
My only concern with this approach (sacking Ole) is we will have write of this season, which probably should have been the one where we close the gap on Liverpool and City and go deep into the Champions league, which is frustrating.
How many more seasons must we write-off to challenge for title? #GlazersOut
The problem is, when we had a crap start during last season in the league, you could actually excuse this a little bit as a board due to injuries, players absent, terrible squad with Lingard and Periera starting all the time.. Etc. Nothing of these excuses are eligible for the current start since this is the full team who finished the last season on strong note and got 3rd and we are having a similarly poor start.
It's really annoying overall how the title challenge this season seemed wide open from the start but we are again in another top 4 slugfest. Every season is similar to the last one, each one of them we fought for our lives to get top 4 at the end. This season just looks like copy past from last one but with better squad. Isn't it enough time to start doing something more than top 4 slugfest every season?
what is the fuzz about this lad, cant people see that he is the problem in our backline?
An awful lof of fans aren't very familiar with strategic analytical thinking. They prefer tropes because that's how football fan culture is - 'These players are a disgrace to the shirt, they just aren't trying hard enough, we need proper leaders blah blah'
They also think that it discredits them personally if they show disloyalty to the club in any form - especially to a club legend like Ole - 'I never want my club to lose, plastic fans, glory hunters, stand by our leader blah blah.'
Also football fans are no less likely to be stupid than the general population - "He’s improved so many players, he’s got us playing well and he finished third blah blah."
Woodward knows all this and relies on it to continue to fek over the club.
Top of the league playing counter-attacking negative football. Is this progress? Did we not sack Mourinho for the same reason?
We had Pogba and Rashford(?) missing through injuries, along with Martial. The entire squad is available this season and yet we are trailing.
With the form the team's in and the way we are not able to breakdown teams who sit back, do you think the game in hand makes a difference?
Playing counter-attacking negative football, which hardly requires tactical capabilities. I am sorry this is not progress.
Question is when should Ole be sacked? We simply cannot be Ole-in when there are no tangible evidences that suggests Ole is in control. I would like to go one step further and state the team is rudderless and without any leadership is all down to Ole. Maguire as captain?
I can understand this line of thinking, but again I'd say there are extenuating circumstances. And I realise it can sound like excuses but for me the first 3 games we weren't fit enough. Personally I thought our performances against Newcastle, PSG, Chelsea, Leipzig were all pretty good. The last 2 games have undoubtedly been disappointing, but I still think it's too soon to talk of sacking Ole.
Regarding the title challenge, based on the transfer window we had, I really am not expecting anything close to that. Had we got Thiago and Sancho, then yeah it would have been a fair argument to expect us to really push City and Pool. But we didn't really improve any starting position so in my eyes we are still far off the top 2.
PSG and RB were definitely great matches. I don't think Newcastle was that good overall, we were heading towards the last 10 minutes with 1-1 result and it was boring watch till this, but we then had a great last 10 minutes. Chelsea were a borefest all around.
I think title challenge was very possible this season even without Sancho. The quality up top doesn't really sound as great as last 2 seasons and City and Liverpool weren't that dominant in the first few weeks. We had a chance to at least be in the mix but we blew it up and it's a little bit annoying for me. When I returned to the thread which was asking what your expectations for this season, I found my post saying "2nd or close 3rd with plus 80 points or so", so it's annoying we're far from it again.