I’ll never want my team to lose regardless of the consequence.
Some of the posters are a disgrace.
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I would also add about the idiots who have been criticizing Bruno Fernandes (our most productive and important player) as soon as he had a few games of not affecting the scoreline. The players aren't robots, they can get tired and they can have bad games. However as fans, we need to look at the bigger picture and stop analyzing things on a game by game basis. The stuff some posted about Bruno was ridiculious, from "stat padder" to a "fraud" who should be sold.
Except there is feck all gaurantee that ditching Ole actually solves any of the problems we've had since 2014...
As much as I have serious reservations he will be a sucess
I'm new but from what I've seen... The exaggerated levels of negativity frequenting on this forum actually disqualifies it as a supporter forum, and yeah that may sound harsh but it's also true. It too often resembles a slagfest, full of bile and hatred towards the club and its representatives, with posts so over the top demeaning and void of reason I actually think these are rival supporters just trolling us.
And I'm not the touchy sensitive type by any standard. I appreciate a good laugh at someone's expense (my own included) and some constructive criticism, also I consider content more so than presentation so I don't mind if things get a bit heated as long as there's some objectivity involved and valid points to be made. Despite this though, I actually hope everyone playing for or otherwise involved in our club stays way clear of this site because if they think a lot of what's being repeated here is representative of how most United-supporters think and feel, they'll probably down tools instantly as this is not a crowd anyone in their right mind would strive to impress.
I feel this should be confronted somehow, but that being said I don't think harder moderation is the right way to go. I don't like the idea of echo chambers and safe spaces at all, but I would definitely support making a thread (or ten) dedicated to framing and shaming or otherwise ridiculing the most excessive posts in here because quite honestly, some of the meltdowns taking place are often quite hilarious (though also both sad and disturbing).
And I'm not the touchy sensitive type by any standard. I appreciate a good laugh at someone's expense (my own included) and some constructive criticism, also I consider content more so than presentation so I don't mind if things get a bit heated as long as there's some objectivity involved and valid points to be made. Despite this though, I actually hope everyone playing for or otherwise involved in our club stays way clear of this site because if they think a lot of what's being repeated here is representative of how most United-supporters think and feel, they'll probably down tools instantly as this is not a crowd anyone in their right mind would strive to impress.
I feel this should be confronted somehow, but that being said I don't think harder moderation is the right way to go. I don't like the idea of echo chambers and safe spaces at all, but I would definitely support making a thread (or ten) dedicated to framing and shaming or otherwise ridiculing the most excessive posts in here because quite honestly, some of the meltdowns taking place are often quite hilarious (though also both sad and disturbing).
Embarrassing that.
Emotional football fans. Have you seen RAWK or the Spurs and Leicester forums? Someone on FoxesTalk said he ‘wouldn’t mind if Kane died’
One of the most disgusting and disgraceful things I’ve ever read. RedCafe is far better than that. The negativity only stems from poor performances on the pitch.Someone also called him a bluffer in the matchday thread. Someone called Bruno Fernandes a bluffer. Bruno Fernandes, our main man for the last 10 months.
Do you ole out guys need a fecking new thread everytime we lose ? Apparently you do
It made me wonder, for a split second, if I was crazy for rating him so highly still. There is criticism and there is pure madness.I genuinely couldn’t believe it. I spoke about emotion in another post in this thread but that was absolutely mental. Fernandes has a genuine argument for being the mentally strongest and most productive player (since he came) we’ve had since SAF, maybe bar Zlatan.
The problem with the ‘Ole In’ crowd is it doesn’t seem to matter how bad we’ve been all it takes is one win & they come out with all the “I told you so” bravado. If we go on a 10 game winning streak then I’ll listen, but one game, do me a favour.
The ‘Ole Out’ side were doing this during our good form towards the end of last season, they all crawled out of the woodwork when we started dropping points.
It’s just ego. Some people want to be proven right more than they want United to do well.
Personally, I want him out, after 2 years I think it’s clear to see he’s not the man to take us forward if we want to be challenging. I’ll give him credit where it’s due though, yesterday was a good day & Ole has done a good job at the rebuild. The next manager will benefit from the work he’s done & could use it as a foundation to take us to the next level.
The ‘Ole Out’ side were doing this during our good form towards the end of last season, they all crawled out of the woodwork when we started dropping points.
It’s just ego. Some people want to be proven right more than they want United to do well.
Personally, I want him out, after 2 years I think it’s clear to see he’s not the man to take us forward if we want to be challenging. I’ll give him credit where it’s due though, yesterday was a good day & Ole has done a good job at the rebuild. The next manager will benefit from the work he’s done & could use it as a foundation to take us to the next level.
I dunno, this comes off a bit pretentious. It's not hard imagining a scenario where fans would be willing to sacrifice short term pain for long term gain.
In fact, last season we went in very short on strikers and midfielders which undoubtedly caused us to drop more points than we would have if we'd kept Lukaku or gotten immediate short term replacements. However, the reasoning we got was that Ole cared for our long term health and stability, and thus wouldn't buy any old mercenary but only the right player who wants to come to the club. That reasoning was lauded at the time even though, as I said, it undoubtedly caused us to drop points.
So if people could understand Ole's "short term pain for long term gain" stance then, I doubt they can't understand the stance of the people you're talking about. Note that I didn't say you have to agree with it; I certainly don't. But logically, it's not that hard to understand.
Wanting your team to lose at any point should be a permanent ban offence to my mind as it goes against the fundamental idea of ‘supporting’ your team. You can have doubts about Ole sure, but if you can’t enjoy a big victory then I’d much rather you feck off and support the plastics like city.
ego. Just BS as per.
it’s looking at what he’s done, got rid of the right players, brought in the right type of players and improving the team and the culture.
it’s about understanding a team needs time to grow and develop, and that we will be inconsistent and you can’t take a team from where we were to a title challenging team in 18 months.
it’s got nothing to do with an individual game.
You have to.keep in mind that apart from WUM s there are are some clueless gullible posters who get carried away by what they read on twitter and other cesspit platforms.
Like the idiots who believed that brexit FC story.
Why would someone with more than 2 braincells bother to argue with such freaks?
Just ignore and move on.
True, but then I think, surely they can’t be influenced by the Penandes or Varchester crap they read on social media? And even so, to come on here and constantly have a go at Bruno. Why not someone else if they want to come with that spurious nonsense rather than the best player? His thread after the Arsenal game was a disgrace.You have to.keep in mind that apart from WUM s there are are some clueless gullible posters who get carried away by what they read on twitter and other cesspit platforms.
Like the idiots who believed that brexit FC story.
Why would someone with more than 2 braincells bother to argue with such freaks?
Just ignore and move on.
Has the CAF been this divided before?
Unless we can turn back time and bring Ferguson back, there is no guarantee we will become better. I seriously doubt the manager is the only issue. And he has improved us. After lockdown, United were one of the best, if bot the best, team in the league, which secured a third place, and we are bow competing in the CL
Anyone that would want their team to get beaten are not true supporters. If the manager or coaches are not good enough, it will prove in time by results. I think Ole has to get top 4 or he will be moved out. If the board think that this can not be reached, then they will take action.IMO
He has not criticised those not willing to give Ole more time. His post clearly says he would like Ole replaced as Manager at some point based on the current evidence. Its about fans willing the team to lose in order for the manager to be changed.
Sorry but are you and other posters just feigning a lack of reading comprehension?
Yes. First half of 2018-19 in the midst of the Mourinho meltdown. You had two camps: Love Mourinho and keep him at all costs and Hate Mourinho and sack him at all costs. Both camps were equally as vociferous and at times, abusive. Now, we’re divided but it’s less aggressive as the general consensus, while there’s obviously a few Ole inners too, is that we love Ole for his achievements as a player and his personality, but he has to go. That’s how I feel anyway.
I wouldn’t say it bothers me if other fans want us to lose a game. All I can say is, they must watch football for very different reasons to me.
Interesting. I did get the feeling the CAF has been down this road before
The problem with the ole out crowd is we could go on a ten game winning streak, record breaking away winning streak but as soon as we lose or draw it’s a “seeee! I knew it was coming, we never keep winning”
This is as divisive as trump v Biden
Yh I agree with this - with Mou it was way more of an even split. It kind of makes sense because he has the pedigree and track record and won some trophies so believing in him when we struggled was a lot easier than believing in Ole. There are trolls on either side and it goes without saying we should never celebrate United losing.
Most people, myself included, who think Ole has had copious time and backing but hasn't done enough are obviously hoping we don't need to sack him and he does turn it round. It's not that we just want Ole gone for a new shiny toy, it's that is just seems so clear that he isn't the long or even medium term solution. We are so grimly predictable as a team, even yesterday's result made me a few quid on a bet because whenever we are against the wall (i.e reports come out during a bad run about Ole's job) we rally. We will now sustain some decent form for a bit before another nose dive and then do the same again. I can even see us getting 4th again but the gap to the top won't be much different despite outspending pretty much everyone and you have to then compare to other managers in the league who are far outperforming where they should be and ask questions of Ole and the coaching team.
And we lose matches with individuals brainfarts!
Fans just need to stop overrate half the players. Top 4 would be great with this squad! I want us to winn PL but I’m realistic, City, Liverpool, Chelsea have a better/proven players than we do. Spurs has a good squad aswell.
The forum is fan fecking tastic. The best platform out there to discuss not only United and football but many other things as well. Personally, I find this place to be awesome. May it never ever turn into RAWK and may United get back to the very top of the prem asap. Could not care who the manager is as long as we win truly Big things.
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Yeah. One thing Ole clearly has going for himis a good relationship with the players, as the enhanced performance levels whenever it seems like he’s going to be fired shows. However, we can’t be stuck in a perennial top 4 battle. This phrase is used a lot but we can’t become the next Arsenal. If he doesn’t get 3rd with 80+ points and goals this season, he must go I’m afraid.
People are entitled to their own opinions but I saw a poster yesterday saying he wouldn't enjoy the win if it meant Solskjaer kept his job. Whatever side of the fence you're on if you're not taking enjoyment out of United wins, and actively wanting us to lose, I'm not sure I'd consider you a fan, personally.
Agreed. I think RedCafe is without a doubt the best forum to discuss football. It doesn't suffer from the same upvote/downvote system as Reddit, which chokes football discussion because opinions people don't agree with get hidden due to downvotes which makes it an echo chamber. The Newbie system is also good for filtering out the posters who never attempt to contribute anything to the discussion, without being too harsh if you see someone who's still a Newbie after over 1,000 posts then they're likely not a good poster.
The flip flopping on Rashford here is insane quite frankly.
Unsurprisingly a lot of fans were just supporting United for the trophies.
For their own mental health they should just stop posting and move to another team. United are clearly making them miserable.
For their own mental health they should just stop posting and move to another team. United are clearly making them miserable.
I’m sorry but how can you call yourself a supporter if you want the team to lose? It doesn’t matter if you want Ole in or out the team comes first. Anyone who wants us to lose ain’t a united fan!!!!!!!
I know, he’s been one of our best players so far this season. Mental.
I can understand to an extent Martial causing a few reactions as he’s been largely anonymous.
Agree. I support Manchester United I will be elated if they win and sad if they lose. The manager is an employee of Manchester United, if he does a great job he gets the plaudits, if he is bad he gets the sack, the same as any other job.
Exactly mate, but unsurprisingly it’s lost on those posters, probably because they are so focussed on themselves and what they want as opposed to, ya know, actually supporting the club through the harder times.
The clue is in the word itself ‘supporter’. You can’t pick and choose when to support your club, it’s the epitome of being a plastic fan.
Yeah, the Rashford criticism has been bugging me. I don't agree at all with the thread about Rashford and Martial being a problem. It's been made not even 2 weeks after Rashford scored a hat trick against the CL semi-finalists, not to mention he's also our top scorer this season by a comfortable margin.