2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/election-us-2020-54786937

"Graham said there were 'allegations of system failure and fraud', citing evidence of 'six people in Pennsylvania registering after they died and voting after they died' ..."

One day soon it will dawn on him that 6 votes - even if the allegation proves true - will not overturn a Biden victory margin of 43,194 and rising.
 

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Anyone else feeling a bit burned out by it all at this stage? From waking up in the middle of the night Tuesday for what seemed like dreadful news to the slow comeback and eventual relief, it's been hard to look away and I feel wrecked tonight.
Yeah, same. I'm still checking results, too, even though they're pretty much irrelevant at this stage.
What the actual feck. How do people go there, take a good look at this, and conclude that "yes, this person is someone I should take seriously"?
 

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/election-us-2020-54786937

"Graham said there were 'allegations of system failure and fraud', citing evidence of 'six people in Pennsylvania registering after they died and voting after they died' ..."

One day soon it will dawn on him that 6 votes - even if the allegation proves true - will not overturn a Biden victory margin of 43,194 and rising.
Yeah. Also, six incorrect ballots isn't fraud by default. They could well just be system errors due to kids having the same names as their deceased parents or something similar.
 

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Does anybody thinks that if the Dems didn't nominated Biden and went for a more progressive and left leaning candidate, they wouldn't be able to flip the swing states and lost the election?
With how much people still voting for Trump, I can't help feeling that someone like Bernie will turn off voters who's on the fence and either won't vote or vote for Trump
 

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Yeah. Also, six incorrect ballots isn't fraud by default. They could well just be system errors due to kids having the same names as their deceased parents or something similar.
Or fraud by Republicans voting for Trump, even. Or possibly completely fictitious.
 

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Does anybody thinks that if the Dems didn't nominated Biden and went for a more progressive and left leaning candidate, they wouldn't be able to flip the swing states and lost the election?
With how much people still voting for Trump, I can't help feeling that someone like Bernie will turn off voters who's on the fence and either won't vote or vote for Trump
I'm not sure with Sanders, I think his support would be very hard to predict for the same reason that Trump's was (hinging largely on enthusiasm and turning out people that otherwise wouldn't), but I'm pretty sure every other candidate would've lost.
 

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Does anybody thinks that if the Dems didn't nominated Biden and went for a more progressive and left leaning candidate, they wouldn't be able to flip the swing states and lost the election?
With how much people still voting for Trump, I can't help feeling that someone like Bernie will turn off voters who's on the fence and either won't vote or vote for Trump
Bernie would’ve lost in a landslide. We already saw in the primaries he couldn’t turn out the voters he was apparently strong with. America is far too far to the right to ever vote in someone as leftist as Bernie in sufficient numbers.
 

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WASHINGTON—Bucking centuries of precedent with a decision not to participate in the peaceful transfer of his authority, Donald Trump Jr. has refused to step down from his post as the president’s oldest son, sources confirmed Wednesday. “I, Don Trump Jr.—or, I should now say, Don Biden Jr.—will continue to fulfill my duties as the president’s eldest male offspring regardless of any attempts to unseat me or render my position illegitimate,” the 42-year-old real estate heir told reporters, saying he looked forward to promoting president-elect Joe Biden’s personal brand and to spending holidays with the first family, during which he hoped to bond with his “new siblings” Hunter and Ashley. “In this tumultuous time, the nation needs continuity, and through my proven experience as the president’s first male issue, I can provide that. Let me be clear: I am the commander-in-chief’s very special boy, and I will continue in this role for four more years. I’ve already filed a lawsuit to halt the installation of any other person in my position and, if necessary, will pursue this matter all the way to the Supreme Court.” At press time, the U.S. Supreme Court had issued a summary judgment declaring that the last person to claim the post of president’s oldest son had never officially stepped down, and thus the role still rightfully belonged to George W. Bush.
 

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Does anybody thinks that if the Dems didn't nominated Biden and went for a more progressive and left leaning candidate, they wouldn't be able to flip the swing states and lost the election?
With how much people still voting for Trump, I can't help feeling that someone like Bernie will turn off voters who's on the fence and either won't vote or vote for Trump
1. Bernie vs Trump was polling ~1 point worse than Biden vs Trump when they were both in the race. Other candidates were ~1-2 points further behind.

2. Biden got a polling and voter registration bump from Covid/BLM in May that he carried for the rest of the election, I think that would have been true for all candidates.

3. I haven't looked properly at the exit polls but if Biden did win more suburban voters or white voters fo medium/high income, those were gains Bernie would have struggled to make (other candidates like Pete or Warren could have made them). The gains with white without degree or low income Bernie could have made (other candidates could not IMO).

4. Bernie would have done better with Latinos in all states not named Florida, would have lost Florida much harder.

5. Unlike Biden, he would have run a field operation and door-to-door canvassing.

Overall, I don't know how to quantify if Bernie's gains among Latino voters and gains via door-to-door woud have offset losses among suburbanites and middle-higher income voters.The other aspect is the role of the media, which was uncritical of Biden, partly because of his strategy of not running much of a campaign. There would have been a LOT more negative press from CNN, NYT, etc against Sanders. So overall I think a percent or two lower, which could make the difference depending on which states it came from.

I think other candidates had some of the weaknesses of Biden (no field op) without his strength (ability to not campaign, safe old white male) and would have done worse. In terms of electability, based on polling going back to 2019, Biden and Bernie were the only 2 options.
 

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This is the bulk left from Pinal (and some from Apache). So Trump made up about 1k difference after ~ 18k votes reported today.
 

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/election-us-2020-54786937

"Graham said there were 'allegations of system failure and fraud', citing evidence of 'six people in Pennsylvania registering after they died and voting after they died' ..."

One day soon it will dawn on him that 6 votes - even if the allegation proves true - will not overturn a Biden victory margin of 43,194 and rising.
Also, one day Graham Cracker will wake up and realize that feck that guy he’s a racist ass hole
 

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Trump will be talking to right-wing radio host Mark Levin at 20:00 ET (01:00 GMT): marklevinshow.com

And from from the looks of his tweet re. this it appears that he'll be repeating allegations of electoral fraud.
 

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Trump will be talking to right-wing radio host Mark Levin at 20:00 ET (01:00 GMT): marklevinshow.com

And from from the looks of his tweet re. this it appears that he'll be repeating allegations of electoral fraud.
Can’t get a spot before 1000P on a Sunday in a more credible venue? Wow. Don’t think we’ll see Trump on Fox for a long while.
 

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So with regards to that - I did some reading today about Presidential Libraries and how this cnut will get one bc its a matter of law - not choice. But here is the kicker- the former President does not have the ability to keep negative things out of it. Also - anything the President ever wrote will become record of said library. I. E. When Nixon tried to keep things about Watergate out of it he was blocked. Of course the only things they wouldn't include are classified items.

Now think about that for a second - are his golf clubs and cart and outfit and all the shit he wrote indeed going to be put on display seeing how that's a huge part of his legacy? And if so, can you imagine the thousands of tweets and bs other communications such as akward meetings and press conferences be immortalized in that library/museum? Now also think about all his scandals before becoming President. Seeing how they usually also spend a fair amount of focusing on their years preceding the presidency from birth on.

It will be VERY interesting how they're gonna handle that.
 

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Is there any other country that allows all these tv pastors to become so wealthy and influential with private jets, own tv channels, multiple homes, mega churches etc? It seems this country would be a lot better off without making it so lucrative to prey on people. Aaaand...at what pt are they basically no different from i. E. radical muslim clerics or other religion's leaders inciting societal division?
 

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Is there any other country that allows all these tv pastors to become so wealthy and influential with private jets, own tv channels, multiple homes, mega churches etc? It seems this country would be a lot better off without making it so lucrative to prey on people. Aaaand...at what pt are they basically no different from i. E. radical muslim clerics or other religion's leaders inciting societal division?
Not going to lie, the last 4 years have really shaken my faith. Raised a devout Catholic. Now? Who the feck knows.
 

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Is there any other country that allows all these tv pastors to become so wealthy and influential with private jets, own tv channels, multiple homes, mega churches etc? It seems this country would be a lot better off without making it so lucrative to prey on people. Aaaand...at what pt are they basically no different from i. E. radical muslim clerics or other religion's leaders inciting societal division?
Not much difference at all, other than skin hue for many of them.
 

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Is there any other country that allows all these tv pastors to become so wealthy and influential with private jets, own tv channels, multiple homes, mega churches etc? It seems this country would be a lot better off without making it so lucrative to prey on people. Aaaand...at what pt are they basically no different from i. E. radical muslim clerics or other religion's leaders inciting societal division?
Yes. Check out godmen/spiritual gurus in India. Infact, they are also scamming westerners apart from Indians!

There's no dearth of idiots in the world.
 

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CNN saying Trump will be holding rallies claiming that the election has been stolen from him.
 

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CNN saying Trump will be holding rallies claiming that the election has been stolen from him.
There's a pretty big chance that carries on indefinitely. He's not gonna give that adulation up easily.
 

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Not going to lie, the last 4 years have really shaken my faith. Raised a devout Catholic. Now? Who the feck knows.
Yeah you'd think more would be - though are there many catholic tv pastors? I was raised catholic but never heard of any. The Evangelicals clearly went all in on Trump with those bizarre prayer sessions and glorification of Donnie as something sent down from the heavens itself. Though I guess we have a side of catholicism here that subscribes to the Newt Gingrich model.
Yes. Check out godmen/spiritual gurus in India. Infact, they are also scamming westerners apart from Indians!

There's no dearth of idiots in the world.
Aye good pt. We indeed have seen our influence of some of those gurus over here as well. It is really sad indeed that folks are so easily brainwashed in essence. I mean - its completely logical to me why folks were in especially medieval Europe or other parts of the world in those earlier times - nowadays though you'd figure the ability to both be exposed to other sources for thought being easier would lead to a big decline of it. At least in countries with unrestricted access to alternative media.
CNN saying Trump will be holding rallies claiming that the election has been stolen from him.
Ffs. Cant wait for the joint chiefs to make a statement they stand with Biden come January... If Trumpie gets that far. He really is hell bent on fulfilling his mission to further divide and destroy this country. In the meantime more of his fans will probably become increasingly radicalized.
 

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Im not picking a fight with anyone.

But it’s clear as day that throwing 300m people onto a huge land mass is going to see pockets of different ideas flourish.

I’m as liberal as they come. I’m not advocating Right wing politics. But I can understand Republican voters.

Your point speaks to mine. If states or block-regions had to live and die on their own benefits and weaknesses they’d be forced to assimilate principles and change aspects of their psyche.
You know that all 300M+ didnt show up and steal the land from the native tribes at once right?
 

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Yeah you'd think more would be - though are there many catholic tv pastors? I was raised catholic but never heard of any. The Evangelicals clearly went all in on Trump with those bizarre prayer sessions and glorification of Donnie as something sent down from the heavens itself. Though I guess we have a side of catholicism here that subscribes to the Newt Gingrich model.
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I think Catholics went 50/50. In my experience it is all about the priest. We had an absolute gem down in Bama. An old Irish priest who would man the Guinness keg at church picnics and who with a straight face kept on referring to my best man as the groom up until the wedding started. Not been so lucky in WI. This includes the asshat bishop in Milwaukee who made headlines for say that any Catholic who voted democrat was committing a sin. Basically, as with most things in life, it comes down to who is “in charge”.
 
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