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I genuinely don't get it. The way he's mentioned is like he's Darth Sidious, manipulating all the events taking place in the galaxy, but I've just not actually seen any evidence that he's ever done anything really.
He’s just a boogeyman to galvanize the easily convinced around. It’s like they need for there to be boogeymen or something so that they have something to be “good vs. evil” against.
 

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He's Jewish, rich, and supports the Democrats. That's it, where the "Jewish" part is the most important. It's Cultural Marxism all over again, which was Jewish Bolshevism all over again, which was the Nazis' favourite story.
The interesting thing is that I’ve been told by more than a few QAnon types that Soros is a Nazi.
 

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The interesting thing is that I’ve been told by more than a few QAnon types that Soros is a Nazi.
Well you do have to remember that the oppressed conservatives who aren't allowed to say whatever they want freely, think that the left wing people are the real Nazis
 

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I genuinely don't get it. The way he's mentioned is like he's Darth Sidious, manipulating all the events taking place in the galaxy, but I've just not actually seen any evidence that he's ever done anything really.
The worst thing he ever did was that his foundation provided a scholarship for Orbán to study in Oxford in the 1980s. Unforgivable.

(Also, it's always fun to hear people mispronounce his name. Though at this point that's probably how he says it, too, just for the sake of, well, everyone who doesn't speak Hungarian).
 

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I'm glad that it's basically what I thought. He's a rich man who the right wing nutjobs chose as their boogeyman because they need an enemy to rile their supporters up against.
 

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I was a bit drunk, but I seem to recall something about Trump being imperfect but that he had been selected as a vessel by those behind-the-scenes do-gooders to break down the dem/Hollywood pedophile, satanic ring. She also believed that the people behind Trump et al had agreements with every other head of state to give up power within months. As in Johnson, Frederiksen, Merkel, Macron and the rest would give up their governments so that the new world order could take over.

It was fascinating, as I’ve never met a conspiracy nut before and she managed to believe in every one of them.
Interesting. So the mythical shadowy Batman people are:

1. Using corrupt waste of space rapey paedos to take down some other paedos.
2. Corrupt waste of space rapey paedos step down out of the goodness of their hearts while naturally still somehow blocking democracy on behalf of the new Batman world order.
3. ????
4. PROFIT!
 

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For those knowledgeable about things in the US, can someone please tell me what George Soros has done? As far as I'm aware, he's very rich, and supports the Democrats in some form or fashion. However, past that, I don't know much about him, yet he's always mentioned as this super powerful figure pulling all these strings, by right wing people.
He's a boogeyman spread around by Trump supporters and right wing media. They would have you believe that he was responsible for his funding of Antifa, Black Lives Matter, violent protests, illegal immigration, fraudulent voting schemes. Trump supporters are anti globalist and feel he is a big part of the Deep State. The Koch brothers on the other hand, they don't like to talk about.
 

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Nothing short of an actual coup is going to keep Trump in power, and I doubt he'd stay in power even then.

I wouldn't worry too much about that. I'd worry about what he'll do while still in power, and the intangible damage he has done and is doing to American democracy.
An unfailed coup? ;)
 

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He's a boogeyman spread around by Trump supporters and right wing media. They would have you believe that he was responsible for his funding of Antifa, Black Lives Matter, violent protests, illegal immigration, fraudulent voting schemes. Trump supporters are anti globalist and feel he is a big part of the Deep State.
And the European right-wing would have you believe that he also wants to replace Europe's population entirely with immigrants, wants fully open borders, and his final aim is Jewish world domination. To achieve these goals, he funds basically every single organisation, media outlet, or hot dog stand that is even remotely critical of any right-wing political parties/governments.

Basically, for a 90-year-old man, he's really busy and active, hatching plots all over the world.
 

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(Also, it's always fun to hear people mispronounce his name. Though at this point that's probably how he says it, too, just for the sake of, well, everyone who doesn't speak Hungarian).
Indeed. I remember doing research for a couple papers I wrote on the history of communism in Hungary and diving into the pronunciation guide for Hungarian names and just being very, very confused for a bit.
 

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He's a boogeyman
For many in Britain too...!

George Soros frustrated British Government attempts to have the pound (Sterling) officially follow/track the Euro in the earlier 1990's. The intention was to eventually converge the two currencies. He was supposed to have made around £1B profit and was labelled the man who broke the Bank of England and it is seen by many as putting paid to Britain ever becoming a fully fledge member of the Euro Zone and hence ( as it turned out)staying in the EU.

Many would say it was Soros deft hand at money making that eventually led to Brexit.
 

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Indeed. I remember doing research for a couple papers I wrote on the history of communism in Hungary and diving into the pronunciation guide for Hungarian names and just being very, very confused for a bit.
:lol: Understandable and probably not worth the effort for academic papers on history - but Hungarian pronunciation is actually fairly regular, in that it follows rules with almost no exceptions. Once you know the rules, you can pronounce anything, unlike in English where even a fairly good grasp of the language means feck all when you encounter a new word.
 

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Who empowered Twitter with these 'guardianship morals'... its 1984...all over again?
Don't really get what you mean. Are you suggesting we should allow any individual to send whatever they like to as many people as they please?

I think that's nonsense and dangerous. If a big news channel sends out blatant lies to millions of people to intentionally manipulate them into doing/thinking things that support the political/economic/whatever interests of that company, you'd want to hold them accountable. That's why media companies have to fulfill certain rules and requirements. Why should individuals with access to millions of accounts should be treated differently when they're able to have the same destructive effects on society?

Also, in the end this is Twitter's platform. They can do whatever they like and ban whoever they like. This is no public but a private platform. Their service, their rules.
 

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He's a boogeyman spread around by Trump supporters and right wing media. They would have you believe that he was responsible for his funding of Antifa, Black Lives Matter, violent protests, illegal immigration, fraudulent voting schemes. Trump supporters are anti globalist and feel he is a big part of the Deep State. The Koch brothers on the other hand, they don't like to talk about.
He's being used the same way by the right in Israel and Netanyahu.
 

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Don't really get what you mean. Are you suggesting we should allow any individual to send whatever they like to as many people as they please?

I think that's nonsense and dangerous. If a big news channel sends out blatant lies to millions of people to intentionally manipulate them into doing/thinking things that support the political/economic/whatever interests of that company, you'd want to hold them accountable. That's why media companies have to fulfill certain rules and requirements. Why should individuals with access to millions of accounts should be treated differently when they're able to have the same destructive effects on society?

Also, in the end this is Twitter's platform. They can do whatever they like and ban whoever they like. This is no public but a private platform. Their service, their rules.
You know, independent of Trump - who absolutely merits a ban for thousands of reasons - I think at one point this will be worth a debate. Because technically and legally, you are of course correct. Twitter is indeed a private platform and they have exactly the same right to prevent someone expressing their views on their platform as I have to prevent the same in my own home.

But is there a point where a private platform becomes big enough to warrant a rethink about what is considered a public forum? As in, what do we do if purely private enterprises can essentially prevent certain information reaching the majority of the population if they so desire? We're not at this stage yet and perhaps we'll never be - but Twitter is already huge and influential enough that not being able to, say, post your political messages there is a serious blow.
 

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One of the funniest things about the right wing types for me, is that they often come across, subtly or not so subtly, as antisemitic, and yet they're pro Israel.
I think its because the evangelicals want the Jews all in the one place so when Jesus comes back he can wipe them out.
 

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I can't help but feel like this might not be over.
Trump was absolutely positive that this was coming. He was slandering mail-in voting and encouraging his supporters to vote in person and he and his legal team got the wheels turning immediately. It was like clockwork.
I saw a story earlier of a judge allowing the launch of an investigation to take place despite there being feck all evidence in the first place.
Is there not a chance that a mountain of unsubstantiated anecdotal evidence with a sprinkling of corruption could keep Trump in office?
I bet a friend 2 euro and 50 cents that he'll stay in so I can at least cry into a cup of tea if he manages it
I have no idea what will happen next, but one thing for sure is that anti Trump people live is a serious echo chamber, and we still have no empathy as to why 70m Americans voted for him, despite 4 years of what we consider as heinous indecency.

When Trump was elected, Democrats all committed to 'understanding' this Trump coalition, so that it could better meet their needs and reduce its size. And yet Trump's election last week proved that this movement has simply grown bigger.

We may find his post election shenanigans as ridiculous but 70m Americans truly believe they have been cheated in this election and will include academics, judges, military and the like. I wouldn't be surprised if this election was rendered null and void and who knows what the subsequent chaos would bring.
 

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You know, independent of Trump - who absolutely merits a ban for thousands of reasons - I think at one point this will be worth a debate. Because technically and legally, you are of course correct. Twitter is indeed a private platform and they have exactly the same right to prevent someone expressing their views on their platform as I have to prevent the same in my own home.

But is there a point where a private platform becomes big enough to warrant a rethink about what is considered a public forum? As in, what do we do if purely private enterprises can essentially prevent certain information reaching the majority of the population if they so desire? We're not at this stage yet and perhaps we'll never be - but Twitter is already huge and influential enough that not being able to, say, post your political messages there is a serious blow.
Talk to @KirkDuyt, he may agree with you. Freaking Twitter banned him for telling Trump to choke on a bag of dicks. I mean, there is a not zero chance that this is what Trump calls eating a bag of Big Macs.
 

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Don't really get what you mean. Are you suggesting we should allow any individual to send whatever they like to as many people as they please?

I think that's nonsense and dangerous. If a big news channel sends out blatant lies to millions of people to intentionally manipulate them into doing/thinking things that support the political/economic/whatever interests of that company, you'd want to hold them accountable. That's why media companies have to fulfill certain rules and requirements. Why should individuals with access to millions of accounts should be treated differently when they're able to have the same destructive effects on society?
You really should let people express their views. Twitter does flag those tweets and that's the right way.
 

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Out of interest, what do these Qua non people make of Trump being friends with Jeffrey Epstein? Is it all Bill Clinton's fault or something?
Trump supporters I know never acknowledge that video or claim he never visited the compound/island, just ran in the same circles. "Total coincidence."
 

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You know, independent of Trump - who absolutely merits a ban for thousands of reasons - I think at one point this will be worth a debate. Because technically and legally, you are of course correct. Twitter is indeed a private platform and they have exactly the same right to prevent someone expressing their views on their platform as I have to prevent the same in my own home.
But is there a point where a private platform becomes big enough to warrant a rethink about what is considered a public forum? As in, what do we do if purely private enterprises can essentially prevent certain information reaching the majority of the population if they so desire? We're not at this stage yet and perhaps we'll never be - but Twitter is already huge and influential enough that not being able to, say, post your political messages there is a serious blow.
Twitter was really struggling for relevance in 2016 and Trump single handedly ensured its future by choosing it as his social media platform for personal communication. Twitter owes Trump big time.

I suspect Twitter will take a huge hit as soon as Trump loses his Presidency.
 

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You know, independent of Trump - who absolutely merits a ban for thousands of reasons - I think at one point this will be worth a debate. Because technically and legally, you are of course correct. Twitter is indeed a private platform and they have exactly the same right to prevent someone expressing their views on their platform as I have to prevent the same in my own home.

But is there a point where a private platform becomes big enough to warrant a rethink about what is considered a public forum? As in, what do we do if purely private enterprises can essentially prevent certain information reaching the majority of the population if they so desire? We're not at this stage yet and perhaps we'll never be - but Twitter is already huge and influential enough that not being able to, say, post your political messages there is a serious blow.
I generally agree with that. But I think the topic is much more complicated. It has more to do with the influence the media has on the masses. I'm not an expert on American media laws but in Germany, we've got legislation that ensures private media can't manipulate their audience as they please (hate speech, misinformation, etc.) and I think in general, this makes much sense. However, social media has enabled individuals to become big broadcasters themselves so I believe that such persons need to abide by the same rules as traditional media corporations. So in general I'm a big supporter of regulating what huge influencers are allowed to post and what social networks have to punish. Those policies actually shouldn't be put up by Twitter but by the government, IMO. And this essentially covers what youre suggesting: If they reach such a size that they essentially become "quasi-public platforms", they should ensure that correct information reaches the masses and prevent blatant lies and manipulation from doing so.

And that's why Trump has to be hold accountable for his misdemeanors on Twitter. If they don't since they're afraid of the public outrage by his supporters and (false) accusations of censorship then that creates a precedence which only will make matters worse. Create clear rules and regulation and consequentially warn/ban those who don't comply.
 

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You really should let people express their views. Twitter does flag those tweets and that's the right way.
Expressing your views is one thing. Trump won't be banned for expressing his opinion. He'll be banned for deliberately distributing false information for his personal gain, often harming others while doing so. That's something completely different. As I said, the same rules should be applied that are at practice on other media platforms. Trump has 89 million Twitter followers. That's more reach than most media outlets have. Why shouldn't he fulfill the same requirements as they do?
 

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There's a known image/meme that goes around the internet claiming to be Soros as a Nazi soldier or youth, can't recall which.
Yeah, the picture itself is not him. I came across that conspiracy theory that he gave up fellow Jewish people and collected their valuables the other day on twitter, in the replies to it someone linked a fact check for it. It all seems to have come from an interview he did a while back, haven't watched it myself but the article suggested he'd said he witnessed some of those things when he was put under the custody of the government official during the occupation. I think he was about 15-16 at the time and he said he didn't feel guilty because he was a child and didn't participate.
Not really sure who started the whole helping the nazis thing.
 
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