Romelu Lukaku | Mourinho Part III | Roma watch

[Che Guevara]

Goals are important, but so is flair, being a team player and bringing joy to the fans. The guy said he hated it here from week one and still we have people saying we were wrong to let him go? Madness

Lukaku wasn't happy with the way he was treated at United esp in his second season when he was increasingly coming off the bench. He really felt unvalued and inevitably he decided to move on. Now he is the first player on the teamsheet for both club and country, and he is delivering consistently. His stats speak for themselves. And who cares about flair? Any player, manager and indeed most fans will take winning over flair any day, unless you are Wenger who eventually got sacked for his beautiful-to-the-eye but sterile tippy-tappy football.

 

[tenpoless]

I don't think he is a bad goal scorer. But his talks about United ever since leaving shows that he didn't want to be here. It was a correct decision to sell him.

I think we have another player that will do the dame thing once he leaves. Their attitude speaks for themselves.

 

[Posh Red]

Lukaku wasn't happy with the way he was treated at United esp in his second season when he was increasingly coming off the bench. He really felt unvalued and inevitably he decided to move on. Now he is the first player on the teamsheet for both club and country, and he is delivering consistently. His stats speak for themselves. And who cares about flair? Any player, manager and indeed most fans will take winning over flair any day, unless you are Wenger who eventually got sacked for his beautiful-to-the-eye but sterile tippy-tappy football.

Well Lukaku hasn’t won any meaningful trophies in his career to date as far I know (please correct me if I’m wrong), so I’m not sure why you’re bringing ‘winning’ into this.

 

[united_99]

Lukaku wasn't happy with the way he was treated at United esp in his second season when he was increasingly coming off the bench. He really felt unvalued and inevitably he decided to move on. Now he is the first player on the teamsheet for both club and country, and he is delivering consistently. His stats speak for themselves. And who cares about flair? Any player, manager and indeed most fans will take winning over flair any day, unless you are Wenger who eventually got sacked for his beautiful-to-the-eye but sterile tippy-tappy football.

Wenger has achieved and won way more with his great football than Lukaku ever has.

 

[Che Guevara]

Well Lukaku hasn’t won any meaningful trophies in his career to date as far I know (please correct me if I’m wrong), so I’m not sure why you’re bringing ‘winning’ into this.

You are probably happier without Lukaku now, as odd as that looks, and I'm sure he is happier now. So the divorce was a win-win, no point pursuing the endless argument. Still, stats clearly show Lukaku is one of the best strikers in Europe right now.

 

[Che Guevara]

Wenger has achieved and won way more with his great football than Lukaku ever has.

I mentioned Wenger in the context of his beautiful but unproductive football which eventually got him sacked, which was a completely separate point. And Wenger began his managerial career 9 years before Lukaku was born, so yes, simple commonsense would dictate that Wenger should have achieved more than Lukaku.

 

[Sky1981]

You are probably happier without Lukaku now, as odd as that looks, and I'm sure he is happier now. So the divorce was a win-win, no point pursuing the endless argument. Still, stats clearly show Lukaku is one of the best strikers in Europe right now.

You're expecting Manchester United fans to admit selling him is a mistake and that our golden boy Antony Martial is not the real deal we thought he was?

Some nerve you have here cheee

 

[Bebestation]

Lukaku said he didnt want to be here from his second match at United.

Second match.

Second bloody match with Jose.

Yet some people still want him here.

The guy had some really weird attitude & I couldnt give a crap how well he is doing.

The guy has so many faults to his game its unreal.

 

[AlexiV]

And never reach finals of any major tournament. Being ranked number one is meaningless. Just means you can win loads of friendlies, nation cup games and trounce your pathetic qualifying groups. I am sure Belgium would be there or there about's with Batman.

The last 8 years have definitely not been meaningless to me nor most Belgians. Think most here are content with what they have given us. Just look at the massive turnout when we finnished third in the world cup. Will always look back at that fondly.

It's not easy winning an European or a World Championship. I do think we might have reached the EC final in 2014 if Martinez was already in charge. We really wasted some years sticking around with Wilmots.

 

[Sky1981]

Lukaku said he didnt want to be here from his second match at United.

Second match.

Second bloody match with Jose.

Yet some people still want him here.

The guy had some really weird attitude & I couldnt give a crap how well he is doing.

The guy has so many faults to his game its unreal.

I wouldn't give too much thought about that line.

We dumped him, it's his way to say "yeah well I never really liked you anyway"

It's us who dumped him, Ole doesn't fancy him, which made him request a move.

 

[AlexiV]

I was - the fact that we had a decade of average players before him doesn't mean I should automatically like him or think he's great though?

No, but writing him to feck off when a new striker pops up is disrespectful to him and the service he has given but I guess that’s cool these days.

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

I wouldn't give too much thought about that line.

We dumped him, it's his way to say "yeah well I never really liked you anyway"

It's us who dumped him, Ole doesn't fancy him, which made him request a move.

100%. It’s amazing people can’t see through that.

edit. Perfect analogy.

 

[united_99]

I mentioned Wenger in the context of his beautiful but unproductive football which eventually got him sacked, which was a completely separate point. And Wenger began his managerial career 9 years before Lukaku was born, so yes, simple commonsense would dictate that Wenger should have achieved more than Lukaku.

Well unless Lukaku moves to PSG or Bayern (but they have enough „common sense“ not to sign him) he is not going to come even close to Wenger‘s achievements in the future either. You spoke in your previous post about winning over flair, which considering Lukaku had hardly ever won anything is quite strange.
Mentioning him and Wenger in the same sentence is already a sin.

 

[Stacks]

The last 8 years have definitely not been meaningless to me nor most Belgians. Think most here are content with what they have given us. Just look at the massive turnout when we finnished third in the world cup. Will always look back at that fondly.

It's not easy winning an European or a World Championship. I do think we might have reached the EC final in 2014 if Martinez was already in charge. We really wasted some years sticking around with Wilmots.

fair enough. In an ideal realistic world, who would be your ideal manager? would you take Wenger?

 

[Bebestation]

I wouldn't give too much thought about that line.

We dumped him, it's his way to say "yeah well I never really liked you anyway"

It's us who dumped him, Ole doesn't fancy him, which made him request a move.

That's rubbish in my opinion. We see it happen all the time, footballers not settling in at the club.

Pogba is one. Di maria is another.

Lukaku never looked truly settled even if he scored goals. He never looked like our long term goal scorer - that's ridiculous for an 80 million pound goalscorer.

Consider the tactics we have to play for Lukaku to get the best out of Lukaku - our team gets drilled in to trying to get the best out of Lukaku.

At a club like United that kind of football simply does not work and hasnt worked for years and he knows it.

When it doesnt work - the opposite happens :

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.go...tinez-belgian-inter/v2i53i7bbuoh12d0lfutrvbub


You get the blame, unnecessarily, over the top, majority, whatever it is - you get it because alot of the tactics is still built around getting the best out of you and making you score goals.

United was only ever going to be as good as Lukaku.

It's the same thing with Inter Milan and arguably with Belgium's Golden Generation- there central striker plays in such a way that the team is build to get the best out of him and is ultimately only as good as he can be on the day.

 

[VP89]

That's rubbish in my opinion. We see it happen all the time, footballers not settling in at the club.

Pogba is one. Di maria is another.

Lukaku never looked truly settled even if he scored goals. He never looked like our long term goal scorer - that's ridiculous for an 80 million pound goalscorer.

He looked perfectly settled in Jose's first season with the club. His performances were generally good and he netted 27 goals, he wasn't in the news about struggling to adapt to Manchester or anything of the kind.

I don't know where you decided to pluck that statement from.

 

[fps]

He looked perfectly settled in Jose's first season with the club. His performances were generally good and he netted 27 goals, he wasn't in the news about struggling to adapt to Manchester or anything of the kind.

I don't know where you decided to pluck that statement from.

I think that statement is plucked from the pages of today's "Hindsight Monthly".

 

[AlexiV]

fair enough. In an ideal realistic world, who would be your ideal manager? would you take Wenger?

I’m happy with Martinez. His football has been very entertaining these last four years. Going out in the semis against France was tough but could have gone either way. We did beat Brazil in the quarters so I’m pretty sure he has what it takes to take us all the way. Other than that he’s been great implementing the next generation maintaining results along the way and he isn’t shy of changing tactics according to the players available to him moving from a system where we dominated midfield to a more counterattacking approuch in response to our defense getting older and Kompany retiring.

Would I have taken Wenger if he was available after Wilmots? At that time, yes definitely! In hindsight probably no because I think he would have stuck with his principles which would have lead to poor results when he doesn’t have the players available to him anymore that suit his style of play.

 

[meamth]

Let's just agree here,

Lukaku is the modern Inzaghi.

 

[RobinLFC]

The last 8 years have definitely not been meaningless to me nor most Belgians. Think most here are content with what they have given us. Just look at the massive turnout when we finnished third in the world cup. Will always look back at that fondly.

It's not easy winning an European or a World Championship. I do think we might have reached the EC final in 2014 if Martinez was already in charge. We really wasted some years sticking around with Wilmots.

They were ecstatic with their 3th place while they should've been devastated. That was their best and only chance at a World Cup. The massive turnout was definitely there to pay them their respects and rightfully so but each and every one of those fans out there were probably disappointed with the outcome as well. Being as happy as they were with 3th place is a loser's mentality to me. If in the end all we have to show for our golden generation is a third place, then I'd say they underachieved. Not that it's necessarily bad, but it wasn't great either (imo, it's fine if you disagree). The ONLY game that they won in which they don't necessarily shouldn't have, was Brazil. That was a great one. But Argentina was bad, Wales was bad, the USA wasn't great either, Japan was half a miracle, ... They haven't covered themselves in glory at the tournaments.

No, but writing him to feck off when a new striker pops up is disrespectful to him and the service he has given but I guess that’s cool these days.

I don't like Lukaku and can't wait to see the back of him in our national team, I don't know how that's disrespectful at all tbh. He kicks a ball about for a living, you talk about him being in the army and serving our country.

 

[Posh Red]

You're expecting Manchester United fans to admit selling him is a mistake and that our golden boy Antony Martial is not the real deal we thought he was?

Some nerve you have here cheee

Never mentioned Martial. Just glad Lukaku is gone. Moaning about his time here, constantly moaning at his team mates whilst putting in poor performances, moaning about his team mates in the press and tweeting confidential fitness information just to protect his ego. Awful character we could do without.

 

[Revaulx]

He looked perfectly settled in Jose's first season with the club. His performances were generally good and he netted 27 goals, he wasn't in the news about struggling to adapt to Manchester or anything of the kind.

I’ve never been in the least bit a Lukaku fanboy but the way people have completely written this out of history is bizarre. There was plenty of derision directed towards his awful first touch, but few on here were of the opinion that he wasn’t good enough.

It’s true that his performances declined in the later part of the season, but Jose’s tactics were getting ever more negative, a hopeless Sánchez was being crowbarred into the team, and a whole load of players suffered as a result; not just him.

 

[tenpoless]

His bruva is still here

 

[Ekeke]

Let's just agree here,

Lukaku is the modern Inzaghi.

Nothing like him

 

[meamth]

Nothing like him

Modern means, he is fast, strong and shyte technically but can score goals.

 

[SambaBoy]

You are probably happier without Lukaku now, as odd as that looks, and I'm sure he is happier now. So the divorce was a win-win, no point pursuing the endless argument. Still, stats clearly show Lukaku is one of the best strikers in Europe right now.

Think this is pretty much bang on the money.

 

[Ekeke]

Modern means, he is fast, strong and shyte technically but can score goals.

Players werent fast or strong when Inzaghi were playing?

He's nothing like him.

 

[VeevaVee]

You are probably happier without Lukaku now, as odd as that looks, and I'm sure he is happier now. So the divorce was a win-win, no point pursuing the endless argument. Still, stats clearly show Lukaku is one of the best strikers in Europe right now.

The stats showed he was one of the best in England when he played for us, but was he? He had decent goal tallies, but he also cost us regularly, which perhaps is the bit we aren’t seeing now he’s playing in a different country

 

[Botim]

The stats showed he was one of the best in England when he played for us, but was he? He had decent goal tallies, but he also cost us regularly, which perhaps is the bit we aren’t seeing now he’s playing in a different country

Well, the way the Italian press consistently praises him, says a lot. That doesn't say anything about his time in England, but it sure indicates he's doing well atm

 

[Sky1981]

Say what you want. Inter paid 70m for him.

I doubt anyone would pay 50m for martial

 

[Murder on Zidane's Floor]

Still not scoring against the big teams I see....

 

[clarkydaz]

im stunned he was barely in the game against a big club

 

[giorno]

I thought this too but sometimes felt maybe I was being harsh. One goal in world cup 2014, 2 goals in Euro 2016 (zero in knock outs), 4 goals in world cup 2018 group stage (zero in the 4 knock out games)

It would probably be the same had the 2020 Euros taken place and is a recurring theme. This Belgium team needed a Thierry Henry, Cristiano, Ronaldo, David Villa, maybe even Zlatan

Henry, Cristiano and Zlatan? Combined total of 1 goal in 15 games in WC/KO stages? 4 in 14 at the EUROS?

Or let's talk total goals, fine. So you have 6 in 18 for Zlatan, 12 in 28 for Henry and 16 in 38 for Cristiano. Messi does even worse btw

Lukaku isn't doing any worse than those guys at international level, not in terms of goals

 

[Paul_Scholes18]

Still not scoring against the big teams I see....

They played with 10 men though. He scored 2 vs mönchengladbach who tops the group. I think his biggest faiilure is not scoring against Shaktar.

 

[Stacks]

Henry, Cristiano and Zlatan? Combined total of 1 goal in 15 games in WC/KO stages? 4 in 14 at the EUROS?

Or let's talk total goals, fine. So you have 6 in 18 for Zlatan, 12 in 28 for Henry and 16 in 38 for Cristiano. Messi does even worse btw

Lukaku isn't doing any worse than those guys at international level, not in terms of goals

Zlatan played for Sweden not Belgium's elite supporting cast. He has the opposite issue to Lukaku in terms of personnel around him. Cristiano played RM for a chunk of his international career and played with mediocre players mostly. Ronaldo made the team of the tournament in 2004, 2012, 2016, making one final and winning another so he certainly wasn't hiding.
Henry made the world cup all star team 2006, and Euro 2000, both times his side won or got to the finals. He could have done better though, to be fair

Would they score more with the likes of Hazard, De Bruyne supplying them? who knows but I cannot think of a tournament I felt Rom showed out.

 

[Manowar]

Your hatred for Martial is shining again, just when he hit a rough patch of form you show up like a coward. When were you at the end of last season, hiding and biting time?

I regularly visited Forzainter forum, their fans are divided just like us when it comes to Lukaku. Basically, he gets abit fitter, it’s easier for him in Serie A because of the way Italian teams play, he scores quite regularly against shit teams.
So far, nothing we don’t know about Lukaku. His touch is still shit, still no balls against top teams, his waving pointing hands... Deep down inside, their fans know they will win nothing with Lukaku and Conte, wasting millions in the process (currently 5th in Series A, and likely to be last of CL group).

Say what you want. Inter paid 70m for him.

I doubt anyone would pay 50m for martial

 

[Sky1981]

Your hatred for Martial is shining again, just when he hit a rough patch of form you show up like a coward. When were you at the end of last season, hiding and biting time?

I regularly visited Forzainter forum, their fans are divided just like us when it comes to Lukaku. Basically, he gets abit fitter, it’s easier for him in Serie A because of the way Italian teams play, he scores quite regularly against shit teams.
So far, nothing we don’t know about Lukaku. His touch is still shit, still no balls against top teams, his waving pointing hands... Deep down inside, their fans know they will win nothing with Lukaku and Conte, wasting millions in the process (currently 5th in Series A, and likely to be last of CL group).

Incase you forgot or not notice. We had those threads here regarding martial.

 

[Member 120012]

Lukaku said he didnt want to be here from his second match at United.

Second match.

Second bloody match with Jose.

Yet some people still want him here.

The guy had some really weird attitude & I couldnt give a crap how well he is doing.

The guy has so many faults to his game its unreal.

9/10 time Lukaku is the school bully on the play ground when the opposition is weaker. I 100% agree with your comments time to move on and stop getting annoyed at certain MSM regurgitating this " I'm annoyed at Utd" click bait.

 

[No Idea For Nickname]

forza Inter forum

What a horrible performance. Why the feck he's a like a midget in the big games.

Because he's a volume player.

We had the ball less. We hoofed the ball to him much less than usual. There's not much he can do really.

Thing with Lukaku is, people praise him for doing something, but don't care if the success rate is abysmal. That shit will bite you when you need to be clinical, and not just in terms of scoring.

Lukaku is a good, not great, striker. He is not great because history shows he has failed to deliver multiple times when it matters most (missing penalties, shooting straight at GK in crucial moments), so therefore it's kind a risky to let your attacking gameplan depend on someone as unreliable like Lukaku.

Yes the numbers are great and Lukaku is the first one to remind us all about it, but I'd rather Lukaku score less, assist less and score/assist more in those crucial moments where the team needs a win, a win against a great opponent, a win that might actually help Inter.

Maybe that's why Conte likes him? It helps changing the narrative that Conte is the only one who is a failure in big games.

One in a special group of players who are as equally underrated as they are overrated. Interestingly, I would put Icardi in that group as well.

He carries the price tag of a great striker though, so expectations should be met. Otherwise, he'll rightfully be on the 'hit list' of heavy criticism. And so far, he deserves to be on such a list.

 

[giorno]

Zlatan played for Sweden not Belgium's elite supporting cast. He has the opposite issue to Lukaku in terms of personnel around him. Cristiano played RM for a chunk of his international career and played with mediocre players mostly. Ronaldo made the team of the tournament in 2004, 2012, 2016, making one final and winning another so he certainly wasn't hiding.
Henry made the world cup all star team 2006, and Euro 2000, both times his side won or got to the finals. He could have done better though, to be fair

Would they score more with the likes of Hazard, De Bruyne supplying them? who knows but I cannot think of a tournament I felt Rom showed out.

In 2014 the genius on their bench decided to use him as 18 year old Origi's backup. Came off the bench against the US and they finally score 2. Then plays 30 minutes against argentina, in a game in which belgium did not show up, collectively as a team

In 2018 he beasted Brazil. He was underwhelming against Japan, sure, and once again the entire team(bar Hazard) was disappointing against France

You talk about this stacked team around him and his failure to make it matter, but the truth is more often than not the stacked team was just poor, and he just wasn't capable of raising his game above his teammates or inspire them to be better. A criticism that very much applies to Henry and Cristiano and Messi, too